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Old January 26th, 2005, 10:00 PM
John E
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Default Carbs in sour apple vs sweet apple !!! ??

Hi Folks,

The sweeter the fruit , the higher the carbs!!!

Is this a true statement?

Many fruits taste much sweeter as they age after being picked.
Bananas and apples are prime examples. Buy green bananas
and leave them on the kitchen counter. After 2 weeks the
bananas become much sweeter than when you initially got them.

My question:

Is the amount of carbs locked into the fruit from the time it
got picked? Or time adds carbs since the fruit tastes sweeter later?
Probably something in the fruit turns to sugar with time.

If time increases the carbs in the picked fruits, then someone should
only eat sour apples (given being out of induction).

All quotes I found about apples don't differentiate between sour or sweet
ones.
However, in some website they said to eat the less sweet strawberries.

Thanks,

J.



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Old January 26th, 2005, 10:30 PM
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"John E" writes:
Probably something in the fruit turns to sugar with time.


I suspect it's starch, which is also a carb. So it's converting an
unflavored carb to a flavored carb (glucose chains breaking down into
individual glucose molecules, for example). I couldn't find (in a
quick search) anything in the USDA database that differentiated
between unripe, ripe, and overripe fruits (except for tomatoes - green
vs red, but no significant difference there).
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Old January 27th, 2005, 09:26 PM
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John E wrote:

The sweeter the fruit , the higher the carbs!!!
Is this a true statement?


In general but I am certain you could find exceptions if
you looked hard enough.

Is the amount of carbs locked into the fruit from the time it
got picked? Or time adds carbs since the fruit tastes sweeter

later?
Probably something in the fruit turns to sugar with time.


There are two general types that could change into sugar.

Starch. No one should deduct starch grams. Changing
from starch to sugar will make something sweeter and
it will increase the glycemic index, but it will not
change the net carbs.

Fiber. The usual way to convert fiber to digestible
carbs is cooking. I have no idea if the ripening process
converts fiber into sugar. if it does, there is a change
in the net carbs but not in the total carbs.

If time increases the carbs in the picked fruits, then someone should
only eat sour apples (given being out of induction).


Okay. Unless your CCLL justifies the sweet ones or you're
on a plan like CAD where you can have carbier items within
specific rules.

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Old January 27th, 2005, 10:42 PM
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On 27-Jan-2005, Bunky42 wrote:

Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it.


For crying out loud Joe! LET IT GO. You end up looking like you're 5
years old following him around sticking out your tongue and telling
people not to play with him.
You were told last week that there's no Internet Police Force you can
have "get rid of" JC so just learn to ignore him.

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Old January 27th, 2005, 11:38 PM
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Carmen wrote:
On 27-Jan-2005, Bunky42 wrote:


Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it.



For crying out loud Joe! LET IT GO. You end up looking like you're 5
years old following him around sticking out your tongue and telling
people not to play with him.
You were told last week that there's no Internet Police Force you can
have "get rid of" JC so just learn to ignore him.

Carmen


Hmmm, though I suppose just as JC has the right to harangue, so does
Joe. Waste of time though.
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Old January 29th, 2005, 12:10 AM
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Hi,
On 27-Jan-2005, Xtile wrote:

Carmen wrote:
On 27-Jan-2005, Bunky42 wrote:


Even if you use little words, JC still won't get it.



For crying out loud Joe! LET IT GO. You end up looking like
you're 5 years old following him around sticking out your tongue
and
telling people not to play with him.
You were told last week that there's no Internet Police Force you
can have "get rid of" JC so just learn to ignore him.


Hmmm, though I suppose just as JC has the right to harangue, so does
Joe. Waste of time though.


True. The joy and curse of unmoderated groups. Joe annoys me more.
Every once in a while JC contributes something low-carb in amongst the
jabs.
He also doesn't whine. G

Take care,
Carmen


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Old January 31st, 2005, 05:25 AM
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"marengo" writes:
||| Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and
||| berries to be fruits.

I agree with this. Why sabotage weight loss unecessarily?


Because some melons and berries include important natural
micronutrients that are hard to otherwise get in your diet. That's
why Atkins recommends, for example, adding blueberries after Induction
as part of OWL. You are not supposed to minimize carbs on LC, you're
supposed to OPTIMIZE them - "Low" does not mean "No" carb, and it's up
to you to choose carb sources that also provide other nutrients and
benefits for you.
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Old February 1st, 2005, 11:21 PM
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On 30 Jan 2005 23:25:57 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:


"marengo" writes:
||| Some melons and berries are low carb, if you consider melons and
||| berries to be fruits.

I agree with this. Why sabotage weight loss unecessarily?


Because some melons and berries include important natural
micronutrients that are hard to otherwise get in your diet. That's
why Atkins recommends, for example, adding blueberries after Induction
as part of OWL. You are not supposed to minimize carbs on LC, you're
supposed to OPTIMIZE them - "Low" does not mean "No" carb, and it's up
to you to choose carb sources that also provide other nutrients and
benefits for you.


What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from
other sources, like broccoli, for instance?
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Old February 2nd, 2005, 05:36 AM
DJ Delorie
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john writes:
What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from
other sources, like broccoli, for instance?


IIRC Atkins mentions antioxidants, of which there are a lot of types.
The problem with micronutrients is that there are a LOT of them, and
we don't fully understand what they do, so it's hard to put them in a
multivitamin. The only way to be sure is to eat a range of foods,
not just a few types.
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Old February 2nd, 2005, 08:06 PM
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"john" wrote in message
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What micronutrients are there in blueberries that you can't get from
other sources, like broccoli, for instance?



Purple/dark blue foods like blueberries are high in anthocyanins. You
should look for a variety of foods of different colors.

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