Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet

Wolfbrother wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message

Agree.

Enter the 2PD approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

And, don't forget to involve your doctor before undertaking anything to
lose weight.


hiss sputter hiss hiss

Your reaction does not surprise me. Truth has this effect on the
untruthful.

You remain in my prayers to God in Christ's name.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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"Susie" wrote in message
...
What color would you like?
)

LOL!!! Do you have anything peanut in brown?

Preferably under 2 grams.

Peanut in brown? Why of course!
I'll make them 'home-made' and come up with
1 gram.
Susie who makes her own low carb bread.
PS. Yes, JC I make a REAL low carb bread. 3.4 net carbs.



LOL!!! Do you have anything peanut in brown?

Preferably under 2 grams.

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
May God continue to bless you and yours in Christ's name :-)

That's just about enough to put me off you and your diet.

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Lexin
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(300/222/182) (5'7)
LC since 9 June 2003

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ...
Wolfbrother wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message

Agree.

Enter the 2PD approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

And, don't forget to involve your doctor before undertaking anything to
lose weight.


hiss sputter hiss hiss

Your reaction does not surprise me. Truth has this effect on the
untruthful.

You remain in my prayers to God in Christ's name.


You really are nothing but an arrogant self righteous fanatic.
At least I have never called you a liar or untruthful because I simply
know you believe the rediculous things you say. So I call you what
you are, misguided. Yet you call me untruthful when I have never once
lied about anything I have said. Only your god could know what is in
my heart is that not correct?? Who are YOU to decide I am a liar,
something you could not possibly know and only your god could judge.
You show your hypocrisy yet again. You really need to think harder
about your opinions and how you express them. Also it couldnt hurt to
ask your god to forgive your sinful judgment of one of his children.

To consider anyone with another view than your own a liar is
simple minded. Something self delusional fanatics tend to do. To
consider everything you say to be absolute truth is foolish and
arrogant, especialy when refering to your absurd 2 pound diet as
"truth" (whatever that really means). I really do not think Jesus
weighed his food before he ate. To be heatlhy you eat the right foods
without overeating. There will be a big difference between a 90 pound
woman and a 200 pound man in the amount required therefor a diet
focusing on food weight is simply rediculous and narrow minded,
relinquishing consideration and consern for many other importan
factors that actualy matter.

Wolfbrother wrote:
"truth" (whatever that really means). I really do not think Jesus
weighed his food before he ate. To be heatlhy you eat the right foods

Oh, but he did! He faithfully followed
the 60-shekel diet, of which the two-pound
diet is a very poor approximation.

--
Wes Groleau

This post is a work of fiction. Any resemblance
of anything mentioned to anything real is purely
coincidental.

Wolfbrother wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message ...
Wolfbrother wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message

Agree.

Enter the 2PD approach:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

And, don't forget to involve your doctor before undertaking anything to
lose weight.


hiss sputter hiss hiss

Your reaction does not surprise me. Truth has this effect on the
untruthful.

You remain in my prayers to God in Christ's name.


hiss sputter hiss hiss!

You remain in my prayers to God in Christ's name, neighbor.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Mosaic M_uns wrote:
:: On Wed, 19 May 2004 06:53:19 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::: I can understand people not wanting to be constantly
::: hungry....however, being hungry a few times per day, say before
::: mealtime, should not be too much to ask.
::
:: It should be a normal state, MOF. The fact that you say "not be too
:: much to ask" is like saying breathing should "not be too much to
:: ask".

It should not be...

::
::: The fact that most of us don't like it must, I suppose, come
::: from conditioning -- we're just not used to it, and like something
::: unfamiliar, we have become afraid if it. However, for weight loss,
::: not all of that fear is unjustified, because some will definitely
::: lose control after getting too hungry when dieting, and end up
::: blowing the day.
::
:: What is too hungry? Does an elevated sense of hunger then drive an
:: elevated sense to overeat?

I think so...

If so, then it must be, in some, driven by
:: emotional needs that need to be satiated like fear. Irrational
:: responses.

Probably....but there maybe an enjoyment component, but that may be
emotional too, in the end.


::
::: But generally
::: speaking, those of us in the US have easy access to food, so we
::: should know intellectually that food is only moments away.
::
:: We know it like we know there is oxygen. Hardly think about its
:: availability.
::
:: I have an interesting spin on this, Zoulie. I recently had to have
:: surgery to remove and repair assorted venous, scar and abscessed
:: tissue in my rectum. Seems I was a bit of a tight ass too, Clipped a
:: muscle; I couldn't even get an enema nozzle inserted. Things leftover
:: from childhood came back to haunt me in my age.
::
:: Had put up with weeks, months of excruciating pain, couldn't get to
:: take care of this any faster; trust me when I tell you that there are
:: some places in this world you do not want to have elective surgery.
:: So
:: I elected not to. The price was barely bearable.

Dayum!

::
:: Knowing that each and every bowel movement was like pushing against a
:: cement wall, and that when I was "successful", it would mean a half
:: day lying on the floor, in various positions, trying to minimize the
:: pain that would follow, I began to lose ANY sense of hunger
:: whatsoever. At first, this was not something I was conscious of. I
:: don't eat much anyway; family wasn't able to watch my diet since I
:: was
:: there and they were here.

Oh my!

::
:: When I returned to Atlanta, I had very pressing issues and my poor
:: wife got the blunt of the pain buildup. It will change your
:: personality pain will.

Though I can't imagine it, I somehow can accept that.

::
:: I left at 165ish having been on my lifting routine up and returned at
:: 160ish. The next 4 weeks were utter hell as I worked 20 hour days
:: (getting ten hours of work done) until I came to a point where I
:: could, and had no other choice, to see the butt doctor. I was at wits
:: end with the pain and simply could not stand it anymore.

You're good at taking pain.

::
:: During this time, I shut down eating for the most part and when I
:: found that I had no appetite or hunger, and the transition was smooth
:: and easy, I knew that limited portion intakes (via the 2PDiet) was
:: the "conditioner". When I did eat, I splurged in a kinda "Oh, well,
:: this
:: is going to lead to another round of severe pain so I might as well
:: get some calls down; a little hurt a lot and a lot hurt very little
:: more when it came down time to excrete. Splurge would be one meal
:: once
:: in a while still half of what I see people (ab)normally eat every
:: day.
::
:: I had stopped lifting, any cardio, lived like a recluse for a month
:: and watched my weigh drop to 144.

Wow...

::
:: I look like crap and get told so everyday by folks who last saw me
:: months ago. Loss of muscle tissue, you bet.
::

Oh no!

:: Back at it next week though as all is sorta well as well as post op
:: from May 4 can be I presume.
::
:: Point is, that the deconditioning of the mind is, and always has
:: been,
:: the key to portion control. One must accept the fact that we live
:: being consistently brainwashed to overconsumption and the fact that
:: it
:: is so slyly and invisibly done is a testament to the success. We
:: don't recognize overconsumption when it stares us right from our
:: double cheeseburgers, fries and magna coke.

Very true...conditioning is a powerful tool.
::
:: As a people, we have to get re-educated and the 2PDiet, which scares
:: so many of these so well brainwashed, is dead on track. It will
:: provide the means to not only condition the body to accept and
:: utilize (hopefully more efficiently) lowered food levels consumed,
:: but,
:: ultimately, prove out to us, emotionally and intellectually, that we
:: have been duped, deluded and satanically programmed to involuntary
:: suicide.

I think a worse problem is being sedentary.....too many of us just want to
sit around all the time. That, to me, is more scary than people eating too
much.


Just as AIDS is the result, and is spread by mainly by a
:: world consumed with oversex which is the true epidemic,
:: overconsumption is the epidemic here, not overfat/obesity.

Overconsumption of not just food, too. Everything.

:: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
:: Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Doug Lerner wrote:
:: On 5/20/04 4:51 AM, in article
:: , "Doug Freyburger"
:: wrote:
::
::: aurora wrote:
::::
:::: I've lost 145 lbs with low carb.
:::
::: And you are keeping it off. Fabulous.
:::
:::: If you ever want to reach thinness, there is no way around it:
:::: you have to have to have to watch portions.
:::
::: Just like it says in the directions.
:::
:::: Atkins didnt advocate portion control
:::: much because he was trying to sell his plan... unfortunately it
:::: was a lie.
:::
::: Unless you read the directions.
:::
::: During Induction the diretions say to eat what it takes to get
::: past the initial carb cravings. That exception ends the day the
::: carb cravings go away. Over eating is forbidden from then on.
::: At-kids are to eat until full, not until stuffed. I agree that
::: his writing about portions sucked, but his writing about a lot of
::: topics sucked. Forbidding over eating is advocating portion
::: control.
::
:: It's not sufficient to just forbid over-eating. Atkins definitely
:: advocated eating until you were full.

Satisfied....the problem with most is they don't know when that point comes,
for several reasons: 1) they have "big" eyes, 2) they likely eat too fast,
3) they enjoy eating.

And he did NOT advocate making
:: substitutions with lower-calorie foods to achieve fullness. Aurora
:: is correct when writing that Atkins was deceptive at worst or just
:: plain incorrect at best in that part of his approach.

I would say that Atkins was knew who he was dealing with...people who liked
to eat and how have big eyes, and are in a hurry. Hence, he made
compromises, doug. Just getting people to shift to a LC woe, imo, is a big
deal and that alone solves a lot of problems.

::
:: I know that I only ate when hungry and never over-stuffed. And I was
:: in ketosis. And I essentially stopped losing weight after six
:: months. I was just eating too many calories.

Well, based on your recent calculations were your maintenance was almost
3000 kcals, I'd say you were over-stuffing -- you just didn't realize it.
You ate til you were full, but that was well past being satisfied. Only
eating when hungry and not over-stuffing is not a way to lose weight. You
need to "under eat", that's why it is about weight loss.

::
:: The bottom line is that you just can't bypass conservation of energy.
::
:: doug

On 5/23/2004 3:50 AM, Susie wrote:
Let's have an "out of touch with reality" party.

count me in!

--
jmk in NC