Opinion wanted on Mission low-carb tortillas - really low carb?

I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco size, that
claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be true considering their
taste and appearance. They're very white and taste "doughy". My only
previous experience with low carb tortillas are the ones from La Tortilla
Factory, which are a lot browner and thinner.

Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts here can tell
if the 7g is on the up and up?

Calories: 110
Total Fat: 2.5g
Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 0g
Sodium: 330mg
Total Carbohydrate: 18g
Dietary Fiber: 11g
Sugars: 0g
Protein: 5g

Ingredients:
Water
Modified wheat starch
Enriched bleached wheat flour (wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamine,
mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid)
Wheat gluten
Powder cellulose
Vegetable shortening (partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or cottonseed
oil)
Wheat protein isolate (wheat gluten, lactic acid, sulfite)
Salt
Leavening (includes corn starch)
Cellulose gum
Wheat starch
Sucralose
and more ... but I'm tired of typing!

"brushfire" wrote in message
...

Hi, I'm new to this stuff but have been reading quite a lot. Below is my
understanding.

Enriched bleached wheat flour (wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron,
thiamine,
mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid)

Is this like white flour? If it is, white flour converts to glucose the
quickest out of most foods, from my understanding. This is what is called a
"bad" carb. Or one that has a high glycemic index
(http://www.glycemicindex.com/). It will effect your blood sugar levels,
which I've learned if not kept even, will make you hungry later, craving
more.

Vegetable shortening (partially hydrogenated soybean oil and/or cottonseed
oil)

The other thing I've be learning to stay away from is hydrogenated anything.
Hydrogenated means they've added a molecule of hydrogen so that the oil will
become solid at room temperature, I believe. I just know to stay away from
them. (http://www.treelight.com/health/Part...natedOils.html).

Wheat protein isolate (wheat gluten, lactic acid, sulfite)

Is there really a need for sulfite and lactic acid?

Leavening (includes corn starch)

Why the hell is corn starch in everything?

Cellulose gum


Do we really need to be putting cellulose gum into our bodies?

--
Steve in Phx

brushfire wrote:
I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco size,
that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be true
considering their taste and appearance. They're very white and
taste "doughy". My only previous experience with low carb tortillas
are the ones from La Tortilla Factory, which are a lot browner and
thinner.

Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts here
can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?

Calories: 110
Total Fat: 2.5g
Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 0g
Sodium: 330mg
Total Carbohydrate: 18g
Dietary Fiber: 11g
Sugars: 0g
Protein: 5g


http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are 17.53 gr. of
carbs each.
It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the Total Carb
Count. Sucks don't it?
Monica
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TavliGal wrote:
http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are 17.53 gr. of
carbs each.
It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the Total Carb
Count. Sucks don't it?

LOL.... The alternative is to go on a delicious low carb diet.
CM

brushfire wrote:
I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco size,
that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be true
considering their taste and appearance. They're very white and
taste "doughy". My only previous experience with low carb tortillas
are the ones from La Tortilla Factory, which are a lot browner and
thinner.

Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts here
can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?

Calories: 110
Total Fat: 2.5g
Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 0g
Sodium: 330mg
Total Carbohydrate: 18g
Dietary Fiber: 11g
Sugars: 0g
Protein: 5g


http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are 17.53 gr. of
carbs each.
It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the Total Carb
Count. Sucks don't it?
Monica

I don't see the difference. It's not as if they but 7 carbs on the 'total carb'
part of the nutritional label. You subtract fiber and get what you want. They
can plaster whatever they like all over the front of the package, I just go by
the back. Although it makes 9 'net' carbs. From what I remember, the small ones
were 4 and the large ones were 9 anyway. (wheat, regular had one more) Perhaps
the OP made a mistake saying 7?

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
& hubby- 6' 310/238/180

(LCer09) wrote:



brushfire wrote:
I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco size,
that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be true
considering their taste and appearance. They're very white and
taste "doughy". My only previous experience with low carb tortillas
are the ones from La Tortilla Factory, which are a lot browner and
thinner.

Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts here
can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?

Calories: 110
Total Fat: 2.5g
Saturated Fat: 0g
Cholesterol: 0g
Sodium: 330mg
Total Carbohydrate: 18g
Dietary Fiber: 11g
Sugars: 0g
Protein: 5g


http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are 17.53 gr. of
carbs each.
It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the Total Carb
Count. Sucks don't it?
Monica

I don't see the difference. It's not as if they but 7 carbs on the 'total carb'
part of the nutritional label. You subtract fiber and get what you want. They
can plaster whatever they like all over the front of the package, I just go by
the back. Although it makes 9 'net' carbs. From what I remember, the small ones
were 4 and the large ones were 9 anyway. (wheat, regular had one more) Perhaps
the OP made a mistake saying 7?

NO, no, no. do the calorie math and you'll see that Monica is correct.
You would be subtracting Fiber TWICE.

110 calories minus 4 calories per 5g protein = 90 calories left
90 calories minus 9 calories per 2.5g fat = 67.5 calories left
67.5 calories of carbohydrates at 4g per is 16.875 NET carbs.
The 11g fiber is in addition to 16.875. The label for the U.S.
labeling method should be something like :
Total Carb: 27g
Fiber 11g

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
& hubby- 6' 310/238/180

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/314/Mar-315/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

DigitalVinyl wrote:
:: (LCer09) wrote:
::
::::
::::
:::: brushfire wrote:
:::::: I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco
:::::: size, that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be true
:::::: considering their taste and appearance. They're very white and
:::::: taste "doughy". My only previous experience with low carb
:::::: tortillas are the ones from La Tortilla Factory, which are a lot
:::::: browner and thinner.
::::::
:::::: Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts
:::::: here can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?
::::::
:::::: Calories: 110
:::::: Total Fat: 2.5g
:::::: Saturated Fat: 0g
:::::: Cholesterol: 0g
:::::: Sodium: 330mg
:::::: Total Carbohydrate: 18g
:::::: Dietary Fiber: 11g
:::::: Sugars: 0g
:::::: Protein: 5g
::::::
::::
:::: http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
:::: According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are 17.53
:::: gr. of carbs each.
:::: It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the
:::: Total Carb Count. Sucks don't it?
:::: Monica
:::
::: I don't see the difference. It's not as if they but 7 carbs on the
::: 'total carb' part of the nutritional label. You subtract fiber and
::: get what you want. They can plaster whatever they like all over the
::: front of the package, I just go by the back. Although it makes 9
::: 'net' carbs. From what I remember, the small ones were 4 and the
::: large ones were 9 anyway. (wheat, regular had one more) Perhaps the
::: OP made a mistake saying 7?
::
:: NO, no, no. do the calorie math and you'll see that Monica is
:: correct. You would be subtracting Fiber TWICE.
::
:: 110 calories minus 4 calories per 5g protein = 90 calories left
:: 90 calories minus 9 calories per 2.5g fat = 67.5 calories left
:: 67.5 calories of carbohydrates at 4g per is 16.875 NET carbs.


If you then subtract 11 from 17 you get 6 net carbs.

So, how do you know that the fiber calories weren't included in the calorie
count? My understanding is that in the US the calorie count can include
fiber or not.


:: The 11g fiber is in addition to 16.875. The label for the U.S.
:: labeling method should be something like :
:: Total Carb: 27g
:: Fiber 11g
::
::: LCing since 12/01/03-
::: Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
::: & hubby- 6' 310/238/180
::
:: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
:: 350/314/Mar-315/200
:: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
:: OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

DigitalVinyl wrote:
:: (LCer09) wrote:
::
::::
::::
:::: brushfire wrote:
:::::: I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco
:::::: size, that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be true
:::::: considering their taste and appearance. They're very white and
:::::: taste "doughy". My only previous experience with low carb
:::::: tortillas are the ones from La Tortilla Factory, which are a lot
:::::: browner and thinner.
::::::
:::::: Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts
:::::: here can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?
::::::
:::::: Calories: 110
:::::: Total Fat: 2.5g
:::::: Saturated Fat: 0g
:::::: Cholesterol: 0g
:::::: Sodium: 330mg
:::::: Total Carbohydrate: 18g
:::::: Dietary Fiber: 11g
:::::: Sugars: 0g
:::::: Protein: 5g
::::::
::::
:::: http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
:::: According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are 17.53
:::: gr. of carbs each.
:::: It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the
:::: Total Carb Count. Sucks don't it?
:::: Monica
:::
::: I don't see the difference. It's not as if they but 7 carbs on the
::: 'total carb' part of the nutritional label. You subtract fiber and
::: get what you want. They can plaster whatever they like all over the
::: front of the package, I just go by the back. Although it makes 9
::: 'net' carbs. From what I remember, the small ones were 4 and the
::: large ones were 9 anyway. (wheat, regular had one more) Perhaps the
::: OP made a mistake saying 7?
::
:: NO, no, no. do the calorie math and you'll see that Monica is
:: correct. You would be subtracting Fiber TWICE.
::
:: 110 calories minus 4 calories per 5g protein = 90 calories left
:: 90 calories minus 9 calories per 2.5g fat = 67.5 calories left
:: 67.5 calories of carbohydrates at 4g per is 16.875 NET carbs.


If you then subtract 11 from 17 you get 6 net carbs.

So, how do you know that the fiber calories weren't included in the calorie
count? My understanding is that in the US the calorie count can include
fiber or not.

Fiber has no calories because it is undigestible.
So

6 net carb * 4 = 24 cals
2.5g fat * 9 = 23.5 cals
5g prot * 4 = 20 cals
Sum them up and you get 67.5 calories. The product has 110 calories,
so you are missing 53 calories of digestible content. You are
subtracting fiber twice in this example.

For U.S. foods, so far, 99.9% of them account for fiber within the
total carbs and they are obviously supposed to. Fiber is shown as a
breakdown of Total Carbs. If they aren't included they should not be
listed in the carbohydrate section(indented below TOTAL CARBS). That's
like someone saying Saturated Fat isn't a fat anymore and doesn't have
to be included in total fat.


:: The 11g fiber is in addition to 16.875. The label for the U.S.
:: labeling method should be something like :
:: Total Carb: 27g
:: Fiber 11g
::
::: LCing since 12/01/03-
::: Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
::: & hubby- 6' 310/238/180
::
:: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
:: 350/314/Mar-315/200
:: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
:: OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)


DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/314/Mar-315/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

DigitalVinyl wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote:
::
::: DigitalVinyl wrote:
::::: (LCer09) wrote:
:::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: brushfire wrote:
::::::::: I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco
::::::::: size, that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be
::::::::: true considering their taste and appearance. They're very
::::::::: white and taste "doughy". My only previous experience with
::::::::: low carb tortillas are the ones from La Tortilla Factory,
::::::::: which are a lot browner and thinner.
:::::::::
::::::::: Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts
::::::::: here can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?
:::::::::
::::::::: Calories: 110
::::::::: Total Fat: 2.5g
::::::::: Saturated Fat: 0g
::::::::: Cholesterol: 0g
::::::::: Sodium: 330mg
::::::::: Total Carbohydrate: 18g
::::::::: Dietary Fiber: 11g
::::::::: Sugars: 0g
::::::::: Protein: 5g
:::::::::
:::::::
::::::: http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
::::::: According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are
::::::: 17.53 gr. of carbs each.
::::::: It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the
::::::: Total Carb Count. Sucks don't it?
::::::: Monica
::::::
:::::: I don't see the difference. It's not as if they but 7 carbs on
:::::: the 'total carb' part of the nutritional label. You subtract
:::::: fiber and get what you want. They can plaster whatever they like
:::::: all over the front of the package, I just go by the back.
:::::: Although it makes 9 'net' carbs. From what I remember, the small
:::::: ones were 4 and the large ones were 9 anyway. (wheat, regular
:::::: had one more) Perhaps the OP made a mistake saying 7?
:::::
::::: NO, no, no. do the calorie math and you'll see that Monica is
::::: correct. You would be subtracting Fiber TWICE.
:::::
::::: 110 calories minus 4 calories per 5g protein = 90 calories left
::::: 90 calories minus 9 calories per 2.5g fat = 67.5 calories left
::::: 67.5 calories of carbohydrates at 4g per is 16.875 NET carbs.
:::
:::
::: If you then subtract 11 from 17 you get 6 net carbs.
:::
::: So, how do you know that the fiber calories weren't included in the
::: calorie count? My understanding is that in the US the calorie
::: count can include fiber or not.
::
:: Fiber has no calories because it is undigestible.
:: So
::
:: 6 net carb * 4 = 24 cals
:: 2.5g fat * 9 = 23.5 cals
:: 5g prot * 4 = 20 cals
:: Sum them up and you get 67.5 calories. The product has 110 calories,
:: so you are missing 53 calories of digestible content. You are
:: subtracting fiber twice in this example.

I'm not doing that...and I get the math....that's not my point.

::
:: For U.S. foods, so far, 99.9% of them account for fiber within the
:: total carbs and they are obviously supposed to. Fiber is shown as a
:: breakdown of Total Carbs. If they aren't included they should not be
:: listed in the carbohydrate section(indented below TOTAL CARBS).
:: That's like someone saying Saturated Fat isn't a fat anymore and
:: doesn't have to be included in total fat.

But that's not my point...the rules say (as I understand them and as has
been stated here before) they can, or cannot, as they choose, include fiber
carb calories in the total calorie count. So, how can you be sure what they
have done? If they claim a net carb count on the front that doesn't jive up
with what is on the label info, it might be because fiber calories *are*
included in the calorie count...I'm not saying that is the case, but I'm
asking you how do you know for sure? For them to outright lie on the label
opens them to litigation, doesn't it? This issue, in my mind, is not the
same one as counting carbs from SA...that is much more debatable because of
the uncertainity about SAs...and also, consider that fiber does have some
digestable content, just not typically the 4 g's that you get from normal
carbs and protein.

::
::
::::: The 11g fiber is in addition to 16.875. The label for the U.S.
::::: labeling method should be something like :
::::: Total Carb: 27g
::::: Fiber 11g
:::::
:::::: LCing since 12/01/03-
:::::: Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
:::::: & hubby- 6' 310/238/180
:::::
::::: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
::::: 350/314/Mar-315/200
::::: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
::::: OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)
:::
::
:: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
:: 350/314/Mar-315/200
:: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
:: OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

I don't understand any of you.

According to the hidden carb counter at:
http://www.e-clipse.com/hidcarbcal.htm

It says: No unlisted carb grams

The package back is correct: 18g of carb per tortilla before you
subtract the fiber.

AND the package front is correct: 7g of net carbs per tortilla after
you subtract the fiber.

What's all the fuss about?

Jennifer


Roger Zoul wrote:
DigitalVinyl wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote:
::
::: DigitalVinyl wrote:
::::: (LCer09) wrote:
:::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: brushfire wrote:
::::::::: I picked up a package of Mission Low Carb Tortillas, soft taco
::::::::: size, that claim to have 7g net carbs. Seems to good to be
::::::::: true considering their taste and appearance. They're very
::::::::: white and taste "doughy". My only previous experience with
::::::::: low carb tortillas are the ones from La Tortilla Factory,
::::::::: which are a lot browner and thinner.
:::::::::
::::::::: Here's some info from the label. Perhaps some of the experts
::::::::: here can tell if the 7g is on the up and up?
:::::::::
::::::::: Calories: 110
::::::::: Total Fat: 2.5g
::::::::: Saturated Fat: 0g
::::::::: Cholesterol: 0g
::::::::: Sodium: 330mg
::::::::: Total Carbohydrate: 18g
::::::::: Dietary Fiber: 11g
::::::::: Sugars: 0g
::::::::: Protein: 5g
:::::::::
:::::::
::::::: http://www.lowcarb.ca/low-carb-tools/hidden_carbs.html
::::::: According to the hidden carb calculator, these tortillas are
::::::: 17.53 gr. of carbs each.
::::::: It looks as though they've already taken the fibre out of the
::::::: Total Carb Count. Sucks don't it?
::::::: Monica
::::::
:::::: I don't see the difference. It's not as if they but 7 carbs on
:::::: the 'total carb' part of the nutritional label. You subtract
:::::: fiber and get what you want. They can plaster whatever they like
:::::: all over the front of the package, I just go by the back.
:::::: Although it makes 9 'net' carbs. From what I remember, the small
:::::: ones were 4 and the large ones were 9 anyway. (wheat, regular
:::::: had one more) Perhaps the OP made a mistake saying 7?
:::::
::::: NO, no, no. do the calorie math and you'll see that Monica is
::::: correct. You would be subtracting Fiber TWICE.
:::::
::::: 110 calories minus 4 calories per 5g protein = 90 calories left
::::: 90 calories minus 9 calories per 2.5g fat = 67.5 calories left
::::: 67.5 calories of carbohydrates at 4g per is 16.875 NET carbs.
:::
:::
::: If you then subtract 11 from 17 you get 6 net carbs.
:::
::: So, how do you know that the fiber calories weren't included in the
::: calorie count? My understanding is that in the US the calorie
::: count can include fiber or not.
::
:: Fiber has no calories because it is undigestible.
:: So
::
:: 6 net carb * 4 = 24 cals
:: 2.5g fat * 9 = 23.5 cals
:: 5g prot * 4 = 20 cals
:: Sum them up and you get 67.5 calories. The product has 110 calories,
:: so you are missing 53 calories of digestible content. You are
:: subtracting fiber twice in this example.

I'm not doing that...and I get the math....that's not my point.

::
:: For U.S. foods, so far, 99.9% of them account for fiber within the
:: total carbs and they are obviously supposed to. Fiber is shown as a
:: breakdown of Total Carbs. If they aren't included they should not be
:: listed in the carbohydrate section(indented below TOTAL CARBS).
:: That's like someone saying Saturated Fat isn't a fat anymore and
:: doesn't have to be included in total fat.

But that's not my point...the rules say (as I understand them and as has
been stated here before) they can, or cannot, as they choose, include fiber
carb calories in the total calorie count. So, how can you be sure what they
have done? If they claim a net carb count on the front that doesn't jive up
with what is on the label info, it might be because fiber calories *are*
included in the calorie count...I'm not saying that is the case, but I'm
asking you how do you know for sure? For them to outright lie on the label
opens them to litigation, doesn't it? This issue, in my mind, is not the
same one as counting carbs from SA...that is much more debatable because of
the uncertainity about SAs...and also, consider that fiber does have some
digestable content, just not typically the 4 g's that you get from normal
carbs and protein.

::
::
::::: The 11g fiber is in addition to 16.875. The label for the U.S.
::::: labeling method should be something like :
::::: Total Carb: 27g
::::: Fiber 11g
:::::
:::::: LCing since 12/01/03-
:::::: Me- 5'7" 265/219/140
:::::: & hubby- 6' 310/238/180
:::::
::::: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
::::: 350/314/Mar-315/200
::::: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
::::: OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)
:::
::
:: DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
:: 350/314/Mar-315/200
:: Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
:: OWL-35 carbs/day (CCLL=?)