Need an opinion

My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04
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You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.

Ask him if he's ever heard of Dave Draper.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Eileen Dougal" wrote in message
...
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training
for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet
and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04
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--
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix
and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.

"Eileen Dougal" wrote in message
...
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training
for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet
and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix
and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.



From Draper's web sight

The best cutting strategy is a combination of gleaning your menu and eating
less food, letting the body fat fall away. This means continuing the
frequent eating, yet eliminating the excess sugary carbs (less fruit, no
juice, light-light-light on the pasta, breads and potatoes), plus a medium
drop in the fat intake, while continuing to lean heavily on the protein
intake. More chicken and fish and less red meat. Milk products other than
your protein powder will be the first protein foods to go (tend to thicken
the skin). Drink water by the buckets as always and eat salads and
vegetables by the bushel.

Works for me !!!

PLONK!


"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
...
Ask him if he's ever heard of Dave Draper.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Eileen Dougal" wrote in message
...
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training
for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet
and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of
it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any
opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a
lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix
and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio
and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder
and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.

Haven't you heard the saying, no matter what you do, there is always someone
who says something negative about it? Forget him and do what you want! If
it's working, continue! You can worry about maintaining it after you
accomplish your goals.


"Eileen Dougal" wrote in message
...
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training
for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet
and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix
and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.

Oh, I do plan to continue! And I do know someone is always there to give
you something negative but just wondering what a good 'come back' would be
because I really do not believe low carb is detrimental to your health. I'd
like to be able to substantiate something back to him in an email. I do not
know who Dave Draper is but I will do a search on him.

Eileen

"Sseaott" SseaottATcomcastDOTnet wrote in message
...
Haven't you heard the saying, no matter what you do, there is always
someone
who says something negative about it? Forget him and do what you want!
If
it's working, continue! You can worry about maintaining it after you
accomplish your goals.


"Eileen Dougal" wrote in message
...
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training
for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet
and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of
it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any
opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a
lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix
and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio
and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder
and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.

Eileen Dougal burbled across the ether:
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and
training for a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I
am on Atkins diet and doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his
opinion of what he thought of it and he is totally against it.

Oh naturally.

He
sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions on it??

Responses interspersed below.



----------------------------------------------------------------------
------
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science.

Very true. www.lowcarbresearch.org/results.asp a collection of the
best science done today from prestigeous institiutions.

High fat content,
particularly over a long period is bad.

Any study that purports to show fat as bad does so in the presence of
high carbs. There are no studies on fat alone and it's affect on the
human body.

It does appear, from what information we do have, that it's not that
fat is bad, but the combination of the two that clogs arteries.

Lowfat was pushed politically --without the science to back it up I
might add--read Gary Taube's articles on fat. "The soft science of
dietary fat" and "What if it's all been a big fat lie?" both easily
available by googling. You can even read the response to "fat lie" and
the counter response.

And finally, "fat is bad" is overly simple. Trans-fats are bad.
Saturated fat, in the absence of carbs is neutral. Poly oils is better.
Monounsaturated is best. Your simple "fat bad" advice would mean you
avoid EFAs like Omega3, absolutely necessary for good health. Bad
advice.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental
consequences.

Plenty of folks do. Eskimo/Inuit for one. Some tribe down in Africa of
very tall thin mean warrior/cattlemen who live off of their herds-- no
veggies or grains or fruits which I can't remember the name of right
now. And no they are not genetically different from other humans.
Grain eaters have just overpopulated the planet and pushed out older
lifestyles almost everywhere.

I might add that there are no detrimental consequences on record,
regardless of how many times the 'experts' have bleated about what might
happen. No kidney failures. No calcium leaching. No clogged
artieries. No strokes or heart attacks directly attributable to lowcarb
eating. No ketones damaging unborn babies. No ketosis deaths. Not one.
Lots of accusations, but no proof, and much growing evidence that says
diabetes, cholesterol, blood pressure, inflamation of arterial walls,
arthritis, IBS and a host of other ailments are helped if not completely
controlled by lowcarbing. The lowfat crowd is reduced to making lame
claims along the lines of lowcarb makes you stink.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the
utmost authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years,
that a low carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Interesting that the community you believe in endorses lowcarb for
weightloss. Your authorities use this method themselves. Yet still you
carp about how unhealthy it is- a quick fix you say and not a lifestyle
change-- you are showing a disconnect here. Don't you think that is
odd.

I don't consider bodybuilders or fitness experts to be authorities on
this subject when nutritionists (who supposedly study this stuff) and
dietitians and doctors can't seem to keep up to date on the information.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a
lower fat content.

Low fat meme is everywhere. Doesn't make it true.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

Yes? You assume that lowcarb plans (there are several) continue the
"high fat" phase after weight loss. They don't. Maintenence eating
constitutes your 40/40/20, but the carbs being twenty percent.

Note: percentages are misleading anyway. If you eat the same amount of
protien and fat as on a 'regular' diet and just cut the refined carbs
from your diet, your fat and protien percentages skew up. Doesn't tell
you squat about what you are really eating or how much.

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet.
That tells you something.

It tells you nothing. And I suspect you are looking in the wrong places.

Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

Your imagination is limited. There are other reasons to eat lowcarb,
primarily insulin and blood sugar related, but also many people just
want to eat healthily and lowcarb works fine for that. Lowcarb isn't
only about weight loss. In any case, you can reasonably speculate on
the average weight of the person who might try lowcarb, but you can't
reasonably speculate on their motivation or lack thereof if you don't
bother to ask them, which I gather you haven't.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be
in great shape.

It's not as difficult as you think it is either. However I will admit
that lowcarb takes work. It's not a miracle diet. Calories still
count. Lowcarb is not sexy. Vegetables are boring compared to pasta
and pastries.

Americans in general are always looking to find a
quick fix and the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You haven't read the plan I take it. Atkins, in particular, takes quite
a bit of work.

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off
the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

I repeat. You haven't read the plan.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and
excercise(cardio and weights).

I repeat. You haven't read the plan.

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a
bodybuilder and it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet
for the rest of their life.

You said lifestyle change. (Atkins, by the way, is only one lowcarb
plan-- there are plenty of them out there). Lowcarb, done properly,
*is* a lifestyle change.

Since you don't know much about lowcarb, it behoves you to avoid giving
out advice about it until you do.
************

How's that for an opinion?
--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
There's no plate like chrome, there's no plate like chrome...

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPa...28252a_fs.html



"Eileen Dougal" wrote in message
...
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and training
for
a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I am on Atkins diet
and
doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his opinion of what he thought of it
and he is totally against it. He sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions
on it??

Thanks,
Eileen
198/180/?
Atkins since 2/12/04
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science. High fat content, particularly
over a long period is bad.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental consequences.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the utmost
authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years, that a low
carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a lower
fat content.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet. That
tells you something. Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

This is no slam on you per se.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be in
great shape. Americans in general are always looking to find a quick fix
and
the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and excercise(cardio and
weights).

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a bodybuilder and
it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet for the rest of their
life.

Awesome post! Very good stuff.

And in addition to all that, there is increasing evidence that a bit of
protein in wheat, gliadin, triggers an IgA and IgG immune response in the
epithelium of the small intestine, damages the mucosa there, and leads to a
variety of *autoimmune disorders* as well as increased risk of intestinal
cancer and other lymphomas. There is hard scientific research by
gastroenterologists that supports the cancer claim for untreated sufferers
of celiac disease.

Any dieters who eliminate wheat, barley and rye and then experience improved
gut performance should be tested for celiac disorder. It may save your life
later.


"revek" wrote in message
...
Eileen Dougal burbled across the ether:
My son is a health nut. He is into body building right now and
training for a big competition. I happened to mention to him that I
am on Atkins diet and doing pretty good so far. Just wanted his
opinion of what he thought of it and he is totally against it.

Oh naturally.

He
sent me this enclosed email. Any opinions on it??

Responses interspersed below.



----------------------------------------------------------------------
------
----------

You can't argue good fundamental science.

Very true. www.lowcarbresearch.org/results.asp a collection of the
best science done today from prestigeous institiutions.

High fat content,
particularly over a long period is bad.

Any study that purports to show fat as bad does so in the presence of
high carbs. There are no studies on fat alone and it's affect on the
human body.

It does appear, from what information we do have, that it's not that
fat is bad, but the combination of the two that clogs arteries.

Lowfat was pushed politically --without the science to back it up I
might add--read Gary Taube's articles on fat. "The soft science of
dietary fat" and "What if it's all been a big fat lie?" both easily
available by googling. You can even read the response to "fat lie" and
the counter response.

And finally, "fat is bad" is overly simple. Trans-fats are bad.
Saturated fat, in the absence of carbs is neutral. Poly oils is better.
Monounsaturated is best. Your simple "fat bad" advice would mean you
avoid EFAs like Omega3, absolutely necessary for good health. Bad
advice.

If it wasn't, more would be doing it without detrimental
consequences.

Plenty of folks do. Eskimo/Inuit for one. Some tribe down in Africa of
very tall thin mean warrior/cattlemen who live off of their herds-- no
veggies or grains or fruits which I can't remember the name of right
now. And no they are not genetically different from other humans.
Grain eaters have just overpopulated the planet and pushed out older
lifestyles almost everywhere.

I might add that there are no detrimental consequences on record,
regardless of how many times the 'experts' have bleated about what might
happen. No kidney failures. No calcium leaching. No clogged
artieries. No strokes or heart attacks directly attributable to lowcarb
eating. No ketones damaging unborn babies. No ketosis deaths. Not one.
Lots of accusations, but no proof, and much growing evidence that says
diabetes, cholesterol, blood pressure, inflamation of arterial walls,
arthritis, IBS and a host of other ailments are helped if not completely
controlled by lowcarbing. The lowfat crowd is reduced to making lame
claims along the lines of lowcarb makes you stink.

As I said earlier, the bodybuilding community, which to me is the
utmost authority on nutrition, has said all along for over 50 years,
that a low carb diet IS the way to go for bodyfat reduction.

Interesting that the community you believe in endorses lowcarb for
weightloss. Your authorities use this method themselves. Yet still you
carp about how unhealthy it is- a quick fix you say and not a lifestyle
change-- you are showing a disconnect here. Don't you think that is
odd.

I don't consider bodybuilders or fitness experts to be authorities on
this subject when nutritionists (who supposedly study this stuff) and
dietitians and doctors can't seem to keep up to date on the information.

Their lean bodies prove that method. However, they also agree with a
lower fat content.

Low fat meme is everywhere. Doesn't make it true.

Protein/Carbs/Fat= 40%-40%-20%

Yes? You assume that lowcarb plans (there are several) continue the
"high fat" phase after weight loss. They don't. Maintenence eating
constitutes your 40/40/20, but the carbs being twenty percent.

Note: percentages are misleading anyway. If you eat the same amount of
protien and fat as on a 'regular' diet and just cut the refined carbs
from your diet, your fat and protien percentages skew up. Doesn't tell
you squat about what you are really eating or how much.

There is not one bodybuilder or fitness expert on the Atkins diet.
That tells you something.

It tells you nothing. And I suspect you are looking in the wrong places.

Most people on the Atkins diet are typically
overweight, sedentary people without the motivation to do it right and
healthy.

Your imagination is limited. There are other reasons to eat lowcarb,
primarily insulin and blood sugar related, but also many people just
want to eat healthily and lowcarb works fine for that. Lowcarb isn't
only about weight loss. In any case, you can reasonably speculate on
the average weight of the person who might try lowcarb, but you can't
reasonably speculate on their motivation or lack thereof if you don't
bother to ask them, which I gather you haven't.

Losing weight is not an easy task. If it was, then everyone would be
in great shape.

It's not as difficult as you think it is either. However I will admit
that lowcarb takes work. It's not a miracle diet. Calories still
count. Lowcarb is not sexy. Vegetables are boring compared to pasta
and pastries.

Americans in general are always looking to find a
quick fix and the Atkins Diet is a prime example of that!

You haven't read the plan I take it. Atkins, in particular, takes quite
a bit of work.

You will lose weight.....quickly. But it's just a fix. Keeping off
the
weight requires a lifestyle change.

I repeat. You haven't read the plan.

A lifestyle change of proper nutrition (40/40/20) and
excercise(cardio and weights).

I repeat. You haven't read the plan.

This doesn't mean a person needs to live in the gym like a
bodybuilder and it certainly doesn't mean to be on the Atkins Diet
for the rest of their life.

You said lifestyle change. (Atkins, by the way, is only one lowcarb
plan-- there are plenty of them out there). Lowcarb, done properly,
*is* a lifestyle change.

Since you don't know much about lowcarb, it behoves you to avoid giving
out advice about it until you do.
************

How's that for an opinion?
--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
There's no plate like chrome, there's no plate like chrome...

"Eileen Dougal"

I dont think he seemed to far off the mark, Atkins centre have said to watch
the fat intake, he was basically supporting your diet, but saying watch the
fat level, I agree, to much of anything isnt good. If you eat fried bacon
followed by heavy cream and splenda five times a day with a cup of veggies
included, you will be following Atkins, but I doubt you would be slim or
healthy on it.