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Vegetarian star Michael Clarke Duncan 'in intensive care after suffering heart attack'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...rt-attack.html Nothing scientific here, of course. We just don't have enough information (yet). But it does serve as an example of just how complex heart disease can be. And also how misinformed a person can be. What kind of oils did he cook his food in? Vegetable oils, which cause inflammation? Trans fats? What was his BP? What was his hsC-RP? What kind of exercise did he get? How much sugar did he eat? Was he on statins? Etc. Etc. Etc. But not eating meat for over three years obviously didn't do him any good, did it? Something (which resulted in CHD, and then a heart attack) killed this guy, and we'll probably never know what it was (but I'm sure there will be lots of conjecture). Nota bene: It's one thing to love animals, but it's something else to love them more than you love yourself. When he said that he learned that "meat stays in your system for years, and it's rotting...," I almost fell out of my chair. Apparently he's never heard of the digestive system, and how it works. http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat...nd-vegetables/ -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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Hum, difficult t osay what caused the heart attack, isn't it? could have been unrelated to nutrition.
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Vegetarian star Michael Clarke Duncan 'in intensive care after suffering heart attack'
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:41:00 +0000, Stawley
wrote: Hum, difficult t osay what caused the heart attack, isn't it? could have been unrelated to nutrition. Maybe. But whether you agree with the conventional wisdom regarding "high" cholesterol levels, etc., being largely responsible for heart attacks, or not, diet and nutrition almost certainly play key roles, along with lifestyle factors and genetics. On the other hand, even your genetics (based on the diet and nutrition of your parents) can be affected by lifestyle and nutrition. See: epigenetics. One thing we do know is: A low-cholesterol vegetarian diet didn't prevent him from having a heart attack. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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Vegetarian star Michael Clarke Duncan 'in intensive care after suffering heart attack'
On 2012-07-19 20:31:36 +0000, Dogman said:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:41:00 +0000, Stawley wrote: Hum, difficult t osay what caused the heart attack, isn't it? could have been unrelated to nutrition. Maybe. But whether you agree with the conventional wisdom regarding "high" cholesterol levels, etc., being largely responsible for heart attacks, or not, diet and nutrition almost certainly play key roles, along with lifestyle factors and genetics. On the other hand, even your genetics (based on the diet and nutrition of your parents) can be affected by lifestyle and nutrition. See: epigenetics. One thing we do know is: A low-cholesterol vegetarian diet didn't prevent him from having a heart attack. -- B. Terry |
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Vegetarian star Michael Clarke Duncan 'in intensive care aftersuffering heart attack'
On Jul 19, 4:31*pm, Dogman wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:41:00 +0000, Stawley wrote: Hum, difficult t osay what caused the heart attack, isn't it? could have been unrelated to nutrition. Maybe. But whether you agree with the conventional wisdom regarding "high" cholesterol levels, etc., being largely responsible for heart attacks, or not, diet and nutrition almost certainly play key roles, along with lifestyle factors and genetics. On the other hand, even your genetics (based on the diet and nutrition of your parents) can be affected by lifestyle and nutrition. See: epigenetics. One thing we do know is: A low-cholesterol vegetarian diet didn't prevent him from having a heart attack. -- Dogman Of course it's totally meaningless that one vegetarian had a heart attack. No one credible in the real world of science and medicine has ever said any diet will prevent 100% of heart attacks. |
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Vegetarian star Michael Clarke Duncan 'in intensive care after suffering heart attack'
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:37:34 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Jul 19, 4:31*pm, Dogman wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:41:00 +0000, Stawley wrote: Hum, difficult t osay what caused the heart attack, isn't it? could have been unrelated to nutrition. Maybe. But whether you agree with the conventional wisdom regarding "high" cholesterol levels, etc., being largely responsible for heart attacks, or not, diet and nutrition almost certainly play key roles, along with lifestyle factors and genetics. On the other hand, even your genetics (based on the diet and nutrition of your parents) can be affected by lifestyle and nutrition. See: epigenetics. One thing we do know is: A low-cholesterol vegetarian diet didn't prevent him from having a heart attack. -- Dogman Of course it's totally meaningless that one vegetarian had a heart attack. No one credible in the real world of science and medicine has ever said any diet will prevent 100% of heart attacks. Tru dat (not that you'd know a real scientist if he bit you in the ass). But many "scientists" claim the risk is significantly *lowered* by eating vegetarian and vegan diets. Despite the scientific evidence that 75% of patients with CAD had LDL-cholesterol levels *below* the current guidelines of the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) of 130 milligrams (50% had LDL-cholesterol levels below 100 milligrams!). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract And why do most people eat vegetarian and vegan diets in the first place? Because they think fat and cholesterol (per se) are bad for them, to avoid CAD, etc. And that's too bad. And so is taking statins, for the vast majority of us. -- Dogman "I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I'm not absolutely sure of anything" - Richard Feynman |
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Vegetarian star Michael Clarke Duncan 'in intensive care aftersuffering heart attack'
On 2012-07-20, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:37:34 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Jul 19, 4:31Â*pm, Dogman wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:41:00 +0000, Stawley wrote: Hum, difficult t osay what caused the heart attack, isn't it? could have been unrelated to nutrition. Maybe. But whether you agree with the conventional wisdom regarding "high" cholesterol levels, etc., being largely responsible for heart attacks, or not, diet and nutrition almost certainly play key roles, along with lifestyle factors and genetics. On the other hand, even your genetics (based on the diet and nutrition of your parents) can be affected by lifestyle and nutrition. See: epigenetics. One thing we do know is: A low-cholesterol vegetarian diet didn't prevent him from having a heart attack. -- Dogman Of course it's totally meaningless that one vegetarian had a heart attack. No one credible in the real world of science and medicine has ever said any diet will prevent 100% of heart attacks. Tru dat (not that you'd know a real scientist if he bit you in the ass). But many "scientists" claim the risk is significantly *lowered* by eating vegetarian and vegan diets. Despite the scientific evidence that 75% of patients with CAD had LDL-cholesterol levels *below* the current guidelines of the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) of 130 milligrams (50% had LDL-cholesterol levels below 100 milligrams!). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract And why do most people eat vegetarian and vegan diets in the first place? Because they think fat and cholesterol (per se) are bad for them, to avoid CAD, etc. Do you have any sources sugggesting this is why most people are vegetarian/vegan? And that's too bad. And so is taking statins, for the vast majority of us. |
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