Eating in Diners

nanner wrote:

I was invited to breakfast at a diner this morning. It was spur of the
moment and I just ran there w/the kids to meet for breakfast.

What would you get?

Diner aka coffee-shop (non-Seattle meaning) aka greazy spoon are
the easiest places to go low carb. Ignore the spuds and much
of the time you're good to go.

I'd get any egg dish sub tomato slices for spuds, or any burger
or sandwitch without the bread, or any salad without the croutons
dressing on the side.

II had a side order of bacon. I blotted off the
grease and left one strip for my friend.

Starving yourself why? Unless you've had plenty at other
meals. The chemistry runs against reducing fat. Increase fat
without overeating, you increase glucagon and increase the
amount of fat withdrawn from storage. For best fat loss the
trick would be to eat the crispy parts and leave the lean.

The kids split a cheese omelet and
didn't eat the home fries.

Sounds good.

I didn't want to get an omelet because i don't trust it. I really want to be
strict right now because I have f'd around for a year and want to lose these
last 20 lbs!!

What's your issue with an omlette? Does such a place add
a spoon of pancake batter the way IHoP does? Or is it
uncertainty if they use low fat carby fake cheese? Or
just too big?

I am talking about NY diners - not like Dennys or Waffle House whatever - a
real diner.

Is the difference a matter of quality or a different menu?

For breakfast at a diner I like whatever omlette has the
most assorted veggies in it and/or the most interesting
type of meat, sub tomato slices for the spuds.

nanner wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:

"Jennifer" wrote in

You could have ordered the fried eggs.

But I would have gotten the cheese omelet with mushrooms and spinach.
It's a rare diner that makes them any other way than eggs and cheese. But
if you REALLY were concerned, get an egg white omelet.

More concerned over the fake butter and stuff like that. Or if it's an
omelet are they using powdered eggs or real eggs?

*NOBODY* uses powdered eggs any more. That was WWII stuff. Powdered eggs
cost more than fresh if you can even find them.

I went to an Inn - or B&B in CT and the woman of the house served us
powdered eggs. I asked about it because it was weird. Maybe it was in her
bomb shelter? Lol!! Maybe she mae her own mix or called it powdered eggs
when it was an egg substitute liquid? What's the weird egg stuff at McD's,
I had it as a kid and it was strange stuff.

Were you elected the Drama Queen of your high school?

First, I don't believe you about the B&B. At first you say you were
served powdered eggs, then they somehow transformed into "her own mix"
(of what you don't say - mix. Right. Just whipped up a "mix" that tasted
like powdered eggs.) And then, in a further miracle became "an egg
substitute liquid." And what it really demonstrates is that you haven't
the foggiest notion of what powdered eggs taste like. Makes the next
part all the more obvious.

Second: The "weird egg stuff" at McDonald's is eggs. It seems you have
no idea what eggs actually taste like.

So far you haven't given any information that even remotely jibes with
the reality I've seen in foodservice for more than 30 years. Just little
nose-wrinkling comments that reveal you to be a culinary ignoramus
(which seems to extend rather further).

In all my decades of food service, I've never seen powdered eggs at a food
show, in a catalog or had a salesperson try to sell me some. NY-style
diners cook all the simple stuff from scratch because it's cheaper than to
buy heavily processed foods. They use gravy mixes and the like, but the
basic foods are what they say.

Don't sit there guessing, mostly because the guesses so far have been way
wrong. Ask a few questions.

Most diners use butter or buttery flavored oil on the griddle. I used
buttery oil in some of my restaurants and no one ever noted that it didn't
taste "right" including employees who knew foodservice. No cholesterol.
Liquid and pourable.

It seems incredibly greasy on the eggs I've had in the local diners. Not
like butter and if you don't make a point of getting real butter on toast
they give you toast that's practically dipped in some oily un-butter. Is
that the oil? Margarine? Ick!

Oh, puhleeze. Try reading the words in front of you.

They use buttery oil *on the griddle* because it won't scorch like
butter. Butter is 80% fat before clarifying and 100% after. Diners use
clarified butter because it keeps at room temperature and because it can
be ladled onto the griddle surface. A tablespoon of clarified butter
equals a tablespoon of buttery oil.

They keep a tin of melted butter near the toaster with a pastry brush in
it. As it pops up, they swipe the brush wet with butter across it. They
have other customers they need to take care of not just you, so
patiently buttering a slice of bread isn't efficient and you'd have to
wait while they buttered all the toast of everybody ahead of you. If you
don't want your toast already buttered, tell the nice server that ("I'd
like dry toast, please. Butter on the side.") and you'll get it that way.

Are you utterly incapable of speech? Can you not understand that
restaurants are in the business of providing food that pleases people
and will go some lengths to do that? But they can't read your tiny, tiny
mind. So you need to ask questions and tell them how you want your food.
If they're unwilling or unable to accommodate your requests, *DON'T GO
THERE.*

Could you whine more, please. And keep it just as ignorant and inane as
you already have. Hate to break the pattern. Oh, and "weird" is not a
particularly informative word.

Pastorio

I never claimed it was.. now did I..

Tori

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"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
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Toast is not low carb.

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"Tori M." wrote in message
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2 eggs over medium side of bacon. Coffee. 1 slice of whole wheat toast
(sometimes)

tori

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"nanner" wrote in message
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I was invited to breakfast at a diner this morning. It was spur of the
moment and I just ran there w/the kids to meet for breakfast.

What would you get? I ended up ordering a hot water for herbal tea that
I brought (Dandelion Tea) and I had a side order of bacon. I blotted off
the grease and left one strip for my friend. The kids split a cheese
omelet and didn't eat the home fries.

I didn't want to get an omelet because i don't trust it. I really want
to be strict right now because I have f'd around for a year and want to
lose these last 20 lbs!!

I am talking about NY diners - not like Dennys or Waffle House
whatever - a real diner. I suppose I could've had a burger or greek
salad LOL but it was only 8:30 am. It's now 1pm and I still haven't
eaten, not really hungry.

Just wonderin' what yous woulda ordered ;o)

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:

"Jennifer" wrote in

You could have ordered the fried eggs.

But I would have gotten the cheese omelet with mushrooms and spinach.
It's a rare diner that makes them any other way than eggs and cheese.
But if you REALLY were concerned, get an egg white omelet.

More concerned over the fake butter and stuff like that. Or if it's an
omelet are they using powdered eggs or real eggs?

*NOBODY* uses powdered eggs any more. That was WWII stuff. Powdered eggs
cost more than fresh if you can even find them.

I went to an Inn - or B&B in CT and the woman of the house served us
powdered eggs. I asked about it because it was weird. Maybe it was in her
bomb shelter? Lol!! Maybe she mae her own mix or called it powdered eggs
when it was an egg substitute liquid? What's the weird egg stuff at
McD's, I had it as a kid and it was strange stuff.

Were you elected the Drama Queen of your high school?

i am not being mean to you and you are not being nice


First, I don't believe you about the B&B. At first you say you were served
powdered eggs, then they somehow transformed into "her own mix" (of what
you don't say - mix. Right. Just whipped up a "mix" that tasted like
powdered eggs.) And then, in a further miracle became "an egg substitute
liquid."

you know, like egg beaters or something like that

And what it really demonstrates is that you haven't the foggiest notion of
what powdered eggs taste like.

Of course i don't know what they taste like - it just didn't taste like a
real egg

Makes the next part all the more obvious.

Second: The "weird egg stuff" at McDonald's is eggs. It seems you have no
idea what eggs actually taste like.

ok, well - i eat the eggs i cook. the scrambled stuff at mcd;s seemed
un-egg-like to me as a kid


So far you haven't given any information that even remotely jibes with the
reality I've seen in foodservice for more than 30 years. Just little
nose-wrinkling comments that reveal you to be a culinary ignoramus (which
seems to extend rather further).

yes, the general public has great insight into egg-substitute products of
the last 30 years. Do you kick puppies? I can only tell you that she SAID
"powdered eggs" and I can tell you that maybe she was using the term
generally, to mean something else. She was old, maybe she had powdered eggs
as a kid. My FIL calls his fridge the Icebox.


In all my decades of food service, I've never seen powdered eggs at a
food show, in a catalog or had a salesperson try to sell me some.
NY-style diners cook all the simple stuff from scratch because it's
cheaper than to buy heavily processed foods. They use gravy mixes and the
like, but the basic foods are what they say.

Don't sit there guessing, mostly because the guesses so far have been way
wrong. Ask a few questions.

Most diners use butter or buttery flavored oil on the griddle. I used
buttery oil in some of my restaurants and no one ever noted that it
didn't taste "right" including employees who knew foodservice. No
cholesterol. Liquid and pourable.

It seems incredibly greasy on the eggs I've had in the local diners. Not
like butter and if you don't make a point of getting real butter on toast
they give you toast that's practically dipped in some oily un-butter. Is
that the oil? Margarine? Ick!

Oh, puhleeze. Try reading the words in front of you.

They use buttery oil *on the griddle* because it won't scorch like butter.
Butter is 80% fat before clarifying and 100% after. Diners use clarified
butter because it keeps at room temperature and because it can be ladled
onto the griddle surface. A tablespoon of clarified butter equals a
tablespoon of buttery oil.

tastes like garbage


They keep a tin of melted butter near the toaster with a pastry brush in
it. As it pops up, they swipe the brush wet with butter across it. They
have other customers they need to take care of not just you, so patiently
buttering a slice of bread isn't efficient and you'd have to wait while
they buttered all the toast of everybody ahead of you. If you don't want
your toast already buttered, tell the nice server that ("I'd like dry
toast, please. Butter on the side.") and you'll get it that way.

sad, they can't take 1 minute to actually butter a piece of toast...and i
did request it without the butter-juice when i used to eat bread


Are you utterly incapable of speech? Can you not understand that
restaurants are in the business of providing food that pleases people and
will go some lengths to do that? But they can't read your tiny, tiny mind.
So you need to ask questions and tell them how you want your food. If
they're unwilling or unable to accommodate your requests, *DON'T GO
THERE.*

i usually go to real restaurants if i eat out - not sleazy diners.


Could you whine more, please. And keep it just as ignorant and inane as
you already have. Hate to break the pattern. Oh, and "weird" is not a
particularly informative word.

Pastorio

you immediately resort to name calling, it is very sad. You sound like a
little boy jumping up and down saying "i know all about food and you don't
!! i am important, no really!" well, P~~~~ phhtttt. No one really cares
that much.

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:

""Kris D via WeightAdviser.com"" wrote in
message ...

I would never bring in my own tea, soda, bottled water, I think
that it is a insult to the establishment, and in poor taste, do
without-- you can go home and drink your tea. Eggs in diners are
by far the safest menu item to order, if you are still skev out
then order egg whites or egg beaters, they come in cartons like you
would by in the store. What I order:


Well it just sucks that the only thing I can drink at a diner is the
water, and it usually has something floatng in it P~~

Whine, whine, whine... Give it a rest.

Something floating in it is probably your minuscule IQ. P~~

lots of name calling


As a jeweler
if I didn't have a stone someone wanted I wouldn't be offended if
they asked me to set one they brought me!

Part of the jeweler's business is setting stones.

you brought up the florist analogy, not me

*NO* part of a
restaurant's business is wetting your tea bag.

why does it matter if it's hot water or cold?


Anyway - it's just a sleazy
diner, as long as they are not offended to the point of spitting on
my food I don't care.

Right. And you don't know what eggs taste like, how would you know if they
spit in your food? It's a sleazy diner, huh? And you go there why?

all diners are sleazy, fact of life.

What do we learn about your culinary judgement - really *all* your
judgement - from this observation?

What a profoundly stupid thing to say.

Pastorio

you must be bored

"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:

I was invited to breakfast at a diner this morning. It was spur of the
moment and I just ran there w/the kids to meet for breakfast.

What would you get?

Diner aka coffee-shop (non-Seattle meaning) aka greazy spoon are
the easiest places to go low carb. Ignore the spuds and much
of the time you're good to go.

I'd get any egg dish sub tomato slices for spuds, or any burger
or sandwitch without the bread, or any salad without the croutons
dressing on the side.

II had a side order of bacon. I blotted off the
grease and left one strip for my friend.

Starving yourself why? Unless you've had plenty at other
meals. The chemistry runs against reducing fat. Increase fat
without overeating, you increase glucagon and increase the
amount of fat withdrawn from storage. For best fat loss the
trick would be to eat the crispy parts and leave the lean.


i blotted it because it was sitting in a puddle of grease and that's too
greasy for me. i don't like the taste of it like that

The kids split a cheese omelet and
didn't eat the home fries.

Sounds good.

I didn't want to get an omelet because i don't trust it. I really want to
be
strict right now because I have f'd around for a year and want to lose
these
last 20 lbs!!

What's your issue with an omlette? Does such a place add
a spoon of pancake batter the way IHoP does? Or is it
uncertainty if they use low fat carby fake cheese? Or
just too big?

i just don't know what they do so i skipped it!!


I am talking about NY diners - not like Dennys or Waffle House whatever -
a
real diner.

Is the difference a matter of quality or a different menu?

dunno - never been to a denny's, just telling ya where i was


For breakfast at a diner I like whatever omlette has the
most assorted veggies in it and/or the most interesting
type of meat, sub tomato slices for the spuds.

nanner wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...

nanner wrote:

""Kris D via WeightAdviser.com"" wrote in
message ...


I would never bring in my own tea, soda, bottled water, I think
that it is a insult to the establishment, and in poor taste, do
without-- you can go home and drink your tea. Eggs in diners are
by far the safest menu item to order, if you are still skev out
then order egg whites or egg beaters, they come in cartons like you
would by in the store. What I order:


Well it just sucks that the only thing I can drink at a diner is the
water, and it usually has something floatng in it P~~

Whine, whine, whine... Give it a rest.

Something floating in it is probably your minuscule IQ. P~~

lots of name calling

Earned, darling. By your petulant self-justifications.

As a jeweler
if I didn't have a stone someone wanted I wouldn't be offended if
they asked me to set one they brought me!

Part of the jeweler's business is setting stones.

you brought up the florist analogy, not me

LOL Yes, I did. And your reply was simply stupid.Just as it was about
jewelers.

*NO* part of a

restaurant's business is wetting your tea bag.

why does it matter if it's hot water or cold?

Right. Brilliant.

Anyway - it's just a sleazy
diner, as long as they are not offended to the point of spitting on
my food I don't care.

Right. And you don't know what eggs taste like, how would you know if they
spit in your food? It's a sleazy diner, huh? And you go there why?

all diners are sleazy, fact of life.

Right. What do you have to say about all dark-skinned people? How about
all airports? All religions? Novels?

You either don't get out much or you are simply too numb to observe life
around you. I was in two different diners a couple weeks ago that
qualify as purveyors of good food of appropriate quality, well-handled,
well-served, reasonably priced. Your generalizations are fatuous and
empty. I'm frankly astonished at the superficiality and absurd
judgements you've made in the thread.

What do we learn about your culinary judgement - really *all* your
judgement - from this observation?

What a profoundly stupid thing to say.

Pastorio

you must be bored

Not a bit of it. I'm vastly entertained when I see archetypes like you.
You've posted some truly amazing idiocy in this thread.

Pastorio

"nanner" wrote in message
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I was invited to breakfast at a diner this morning. It was spur of the
moment and I just ran there w/the kids to meet for breakfast.

What would you get? I ended up ordering a hot water for herbal tea that I
brought (Dandelion Tea) and I had a side order of bacon. I blotted off the
grease and left one strip for my friend. The kids split a cheese omelet
and
didn't eat the home fries.


Fried eggs and bacon, probably.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

nanner wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote

nanner wrote:

"Bob (this one)" wrote

nanner wrote:

"Jennifer" wrote

You could have ordered the fried eggs.

But I would have gotten the cheese omelet with mushrooms and spinach.
It's a rare diner that makes them any other way than eggs and cheese.
But if you REALLY were concerned, get an egg white omelet.


More concerned over the fake butter and stuff like that. Or if it's an
omelet are they using powdered eggs or real eggs?

*NOBODY* uses powdered eggs any more. That was WWII stuff. Powdered eggs
cost more than fresh if you can even find them.

I went to an Inn - or B&B in CT and the woman of the house served us
powdered eggs. I asked about it because it was weird. Maybe it was in her
bomb shelter? Lol!! Maybe she mae her own mix or called it powdered eggs
when it was an egg substitute liquid? What's the weird egg stuff at
McD's, I had it as a kid and it was strange stuff.

Were you elected the Drama Queen of your high school?

i am not being mean to you and you are not being nice

You're talking crap.

First, I don't believe you about the B&B. At first you say you were served
powdered eggs, then they somehow transformed into "her own mix" (of what
you don't say - mix. Right. Just whipped up a "mix" that tasted like
powdered eggs.) And then, in a further miracle became "an egg substitute
liquid."

you know, like egg beaters or something like that

Right. Exactly the same as powdered eggs.

And what it really demonstrates is that you haven't the foggiest notion of
what powdered eggs taste like.

Of course i don't know what they taste like - it just didn't taste like a
real egg

Apparently liquid eggs - already mixed - don't taste like eggs to you,
either. What a fine, discriminating palate you have. I don't really
believe that.

Makes the next part all the more obvious.

Second: The "weird egg stuff" at McDonald's is eggs. It seems you have no
idea what eggs actually taste like.

ok, well - i eat the eggs i cook. the scrambled stuff at mcd;s seemed
un-egg-like to me as a kid

So far you haven't given any information that even remotely jibes with the
reality I've seen in foodservice for more than 30 years. Just little
nose-wrinkling comments that reveal you to be a culinary ignoramus (which
seems to extend rather further).

yes, the general public has great insight into egg-substitute products of
the last 30 years.

LOL Nothing to say, but say it anyway, huh?

Do you kick puppies?

Nope. Fools.

I can only tell you that she SAID
"powdered eggs" and I can tell you that maybe she was using the term
generally, to mean something else. She was old, maybe she had powdered eggs
as a kid.

And *all* old people are, um, like, old and all and they smell
different... Right? And, because she was old she was, like, unable to
tell the difference between liquid eggs and powdered eggs. And she
smelled, like, um, different.

What was the name of this place run by this doddering old woman?

My FIL calls his fridge the Icebox.

So does the 20-something woman down the road from me out here in the
country. So does Emeril.

In all my decades of food service, I've never seen powdered eggs at a
food show, in a catalog or had a salesperson try to sell me some.
NY-style diners cook all the simple stuff from scratch because it's
cheaper than to buy heavily processed foods. They use gravy mixes and the
like, but the basic foods are what they say.

Don't sit there guessing, mostly because the guesses so far have been way
wrong. Ask a few questions.

Most diners use butter or buttery flavored oil on the griddle. I used
buttery oil in some of my restaurants and no one ever noted that it
didn't taste "right" including employees who knew foodservice. No
cholesterol. Liquid and pourable.

It seems incredibly greasy on the eggs I've had in the local diners. Not
like butter and if you don't make a point of getting real butter on toast
they give you toast that's practically dipped in some oily un-butter. Is
that the oil? Margarine? Ick!

Oh, puhleeze. Try reading the words in front of you.

They use buttery oil *on the griddle* because it won't scorch like butter.
Butter is 80% fat before clarifying and 100% after. Diners use clarified
butter because it keeps at room temperature and because it can be ladled
onto the griddle surface. A tablespoon of clarified butter equals a
tablespoon of buttery oil.

tastes like garbage

LOL Tastes just like, um, butter. Because it's er, butter.

They keep a tin of melted butter near the toaster with a pastry brush in
it. As it pops up, they swipe the brush wet with butter across it. They
have other customers they need to take care of not just you, so patiently
buttering a slice of bread isn't efficient and you'd have to wait while
they buttered all the toast of everybody ahead of you. If you don't want
your toast already buttered, tell the nice server that ("I'd like dry
toast, please. Butter on the side.") and you'll get it that way.

sad, they can't take 1 minute to actually butter a piece of toast...and i
did request it without the butter-juice when i used to eat bread

Can you simply not understand declarative sentences? You take a piece of
bread fresh out of the toaster - still hot - and smear butter on it. The
butter, gasp, melts... Or, you take a piece of toast fresh out of the
toaster and brush on some already melted butter. Sad that you can't take
a minute to see the reality.

As though somehow smearing hard butter on a piece of bread is somehow
superior to brushing the same thing at a different temperature on the
bread. Somehow.

Are you utterly incapable of speech? Can you not understand that
restaurants are in the business of providing food that pleases people and
will go some lengths to do that? But they can't read your tiny, tiny mind.
So you need to ask questions and tell them how you want your food. If
they're unwilling or unable to accommodate your requests, *DON'T GO
THERE.*

i usually go to real restaurants if i eat out - not sleazy diners.

You are truly hilarious. "Sleazydiner" is now one word - suitable for
*all* diners in your crippled vocabulary.

Could you whine more, please. And keep it just as ignorant and inane as
you already have. Hate to break the pattern. Oh, and "weird" is not a
particularly informative word.

Pastorio

you immediately resort to name calling, it is very sad. You sound like a
little boy jumping up and down saying "i know all about food and you don't
!! i am important, no really!" well, P~~~~ phhtttt. No one really cares
that much.

Nice try, lightweight. The pure and simple fact is that you've shown
yourself to be as deep as a puddle.

Pastorio

"nanner" wrote in message
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i usually go to real restaurants if i eat out - not sleazy diners.


What makes a restaurant real?

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No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes