Apology to Sunshyne

That was not drama, it was comedy. HTH

You DO have a sick sense of humor! But, for some odd reason, that
comes as no surprise......

Actually, I must've missed the part of the posts that Damsel found
offensive. Or I just didn't find them offensive myself. I thought
people were trying to be helpful, even if it was done bluntly. I
guess after reading your posts, JC, I'm getting thick-skinned and
used to bluntness! You've done me a favor, afterall. I can
disregard the tone and consider the message now. I know that'll
come in handy when teaching (dealing with parents, some students,
and administrators)

Michelle

"Shawn & Michelle" wrote in message
news:rilBc.20224$ey.12044@fed1read06...
That was not drama, it was comedy. HTH

You DO have a sick sense of humor! But, for some odd reason, that
comes as no surprise......

Actually, I must've missed the part of the posts that Damsel found
offensive. Or I just didn't find them offensive myself. I thought
people were trying to be helpful, even if it was done bluntly. I
guess after reading your posts, JC, I'm getting thick-skinned and
used to bluntness! You've done me a favor, afterall. I can
disregard the tone and consider the message now. I know that'll
come in handy when teaching (dealing with parents, some students,
and administrators)

Michelle





Glad to be of service.

yes, i'm sure it did feel difficult!
i responded to your post as a "generic" warning to those who believe
that they KNOW what depression is, and really don't know the
difference between "situational depression"(i'm fat, i'm lonely,
nobody loves me etc) and the REAL THING!

if running and socializing were the answer for all of us
depressives, marathons would be larger!


--
rosie
http://costofwar.com/








"Luna" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: "rosie read and post" wrote:
:
: I was diagnosed with depression a few years back, and my
: : doctor wanted to put me on drugs, and I tried them but I had a
bad
: : reaction. Maybe some people think I should have tried a
different
: drug,
: : but I realized that I was depressed for a damn good reason, so
I
: got off my
: : butt and got a job and made friends and got a life, and lo and
: behold I
: : wasn't depressed anymore.
: :
: :
:
: you are SO LUCKY to have been able to treat your depression that
: easily................and YES, i said easily.
:
:
:
: It didn't feel easy at the time. I'd been unemployed for two
years, it was
: scary to get back out there. It was scary to start socializing
again too,
: the first 10 times or so I made it less than an hour before I had
to go
: back home.
:
: --
: Michelle Levin
: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
:
: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
flaws.

: Excellent post Michelle. Happy pills and shoulders to cry on can
only take a
: person so far. The answer to a person's problems are within
themselves.
:

tom,
bite me!

In article ,
"rosie read and post" wrote:

yes, i'm sure it did feel difficult!
i responded to your post as a "generic" warning to those who believe
that they KNOW what depression is, and really don't know the
difference between "situational depression"(i'm fat, i'm lonely,
nobody loves me etc) and the REAL THING!

if running and socializing were the answer for all of us
depressives, marathons would be larger!


--
rosie
http://costofwar.com/





And how do you know when it's "the real thing" and not "situational?" It
could be that I got a chemical imbalance in my brain out of nowhere, just
one of those mysterious brain things, that made me depressed to the point
where I didn't have the energy to get a job. Or, it could be that I got
frustrated with looking for work and gave up and got lazy, which changed my
brain chemistry and made me depressed. Even when depression is due to
something chemical in the brain, you can change your own brain chemistry
without drugs. Depression can be different for everyone who gets it, it
can be caused by different things and it can be cured by different things.
I take a bit of offense to your post that the way mine was cured was the
"easy way." Personally I think it would have been a lot easier to take a
happy pill than to actually do the work to make my life into something to
be happy about.

Now, I do believe that there are some cases of mental and emotional illness
that are so bad they need serious treatment. I also think modern society
is a bit hypchondriacal about mental illness and there are people who
expect to be happy all the time and confuse a case of the blues with
serious depression. Let's face it though, our whole society (American) is
mentally screwed up. We're fed this happiness lie, this idea that
happiness should be the ultimate goal in life, and then when we're not
happy we think there must be something medically wrong with us. What's
wrong is that we have too much free time to microscopically examine our
psyches to find out if we're happy. Epedmic mental illness is a luxury for
societies that have enough leisure time to not have to worry about things
like where the next meal is coming from. We are problem solving animals,
and when the important problems are solved for us, we make up more
problems.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Hello,
On 20-Jun-2004, "Tom" wrote:

"so I got off my butt and got a job and made friends and got a
life, and lo
and behold I
wasn't depressed anymore."

"It didn't feel easy at the time"
Michelle Levin
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Excellent post Michelle. Happy pills and shoulders to cry on can
only take a person so far. The answer to a person's problems are
within
themselves.
Snip

I fervently hope that the folks in this thread who haven't ever been
clinically depressed and seem to view it as a self induced and/or self
curable problem never have to live it. There doesn't have to *be* a
problem for depression to get you. My life was great when it hit me,
and it still drained the pleasure from everything. You can't fix a
problem that doesn't exist, but you can attempt to cure or manage a
medical condition that does.

Carmen

(Sunshyne) wrote in message ...
Sunshyne wrote:
I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say Ig. Please go into more
detail. So that I can understand.

Ignoramus wrote:
She wants a little bit too much from people, compared to how much she
is giving and how much is "reasonable"...
It feels like the air is thick in here today. Like people waiting for any
more
responses from me or from Damsel. I am ticked off that a thread was started
with my name in it, apologizing, then the apology was taken back. I would
really love to not have such drama.

I did not realize that I had to act a certain way, be supportive in a
certain
way, hang with certain friends or people in order to recieve support and
friendship in return. Thats not my idea of friendship. Friendship is
honoring
and accepting the other for what they are. Even if opinions differ. Even if
personality traits are different.

I do appreciate others keeping a neurtral ground. Thank you.

Some things, like these dramas, come with territory.


Yes they do, the territory thing.. I feel like shutting down. I am putting up a
brick wall right now. I don't know what else to say, or what else to do.

What this has all become. Its a reminder of something that happened on another
group, couple years ago. Its like a role reversal though. Me-in Damsels shoes.
I know what she if feeling, I know her mind is scattered in different
directions. I have felt the emotional pain she is feeling right now. There is
nothing else I can do, she has to face reality herself. She has to do her own
inner work, lead her own life.

Ya know what all???? Life is too freakin frukkin short to spend time
in ****ing matches anywhere. I am learning so much about life right
now. All bad things in life will pass but things done in KIND will
last!!!! Be nice!
Laureen

your referral to antidepressants as "happy pills" says it all.

people die everyday due to untreated depression!
they don't seek treatment, because they are embarrassed, or shamed,
or convinced that they are "lazy" etc.

if what you have is a depression that can be cured by exercise, you
are lucky!



--
rosie
http://costofwar.com/








"Luna" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: "rosie read and post" wrote:
:
: yes, i'm sure it did feel difficult!
: i responded to your post as a "generic" warning to those who
believe
: that they KNOW what depression is, and really don't know the
: difference between "situational depression"(i'm fat, i'm lonely,
: nobody loves me etc) and the REAL THING!
:
: if running and socializing were the answer for all of us
: depressives, marathons would be larger!
:
:
: --
: rosie
: http://costofwar.com/
:
:
:
:
:
: And how do you know when it's "the real thing" and not
"situational?" It
: could be that I got a chemical imbalance in my brain out of
nowhere, just
: one of those mysterious brain things, that made me depressed to
the point
: where I didn't have the energy to get a job. Or, it could be that
I got
: frustrated with looking for work and gave up and got lazy, which
changed my
: brain chemistry and made me depressed. Even when depression is
due to
: something chemical in the brain, you can change your own brain
chemistry
: without drugs. Depression can be different for everyone who gets
it, it
: can be caused by different things and it can be cured by different
things.
: I take a bit of offense to your post that the way mine was cured
was the
: "easy way." Personally I think it would have been a lot easier to
take a
: happy pill than to actually do the work to make my life into
something to
: be happy about.
:
: Now, I do believe that there are some cases of mental and
emotional illness
: that are so bad they need serious treatment. I also think modern
society
: is a bit hypchondriacal about mental illness and there are people
who
: expect to be happy all the time and confuse a case of the blues
with
: serious depression. Let's face it though, our whole society
(American) is
: mentally screwed up. We're fed this happiness lie, this idea that
: happiness should be the ultimate goal in life, and then when we're
not
: happy we think there must be something medically wrong with us.
What's
: wrong is that we have too much free time to microscopically
examine our
: psyches to find out if we're happy. Epedmic mental illness is a
luxury for
: societies that have enough leisure time to not have to worry about
things
: like where the next meal is coming from. We are problem solving
animals,
: and when the important problems are solved for us, we make up more
: problems.
:
: --
: Michelle Levin
: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
:
: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
flaws.

thanks carmen....................

--
rosie
http://costofwar.com/








"Carmen" wrote in message
...
: Hello,
: On 20-Jun-2004, "Tom" wrote:
:
: "so I got off my butt and got a job and made friends and got a
: life, and lo
: and behold I
: wasn't depressed anymore."
:
: "It didn't feel easy at the time"
: Michelle Levin
:
------------------------------------------------------------------
---
: Excellent post Michelle. Happy pills and shoulders to cry on can
: only take a person so far. The answer to a person's problems are
: within
: themselves.
: Snip
:
: I fervently hope that the folks in this thread who haven't ever
been
: clinically depressed and seem to view it as a self induced and/or
self
: curable problem never have to live it. There doesn't have to *be*
a
: problem for depression to get you. My life was great when it hit
me,
: and it still drained the pleasure from everything. You can't fix
a
: problem that doesn't exist, but you can attempt to cure or manage
a
: medical condition that does.
:
: Carmen

I believe My depression is caused by many things. The way I grew up. Most of my
family members suffer from mental illness, or a disorder. Even bipolar, schizo,
and tourettes. I have a sister that is institutionalized. I had a Uncle that
comitted suicide, right in my childhood home. So, I know all about it
firsthand. My mother had built up anger, that ended up in these crazy rages. My
dad was schizo in his last years of life.

I have battled depression all my life. Never really put a name to it though.
Until a couple years ago. I just thought it was the way life is. Sorta like
being brainwashed. I knew no other way to live.

Its like the depression I have, could be from hereditary. Could be neuro, from
the different disorders I have.. Like Fibro, back and neck issues. Could be the
way I was raised, like I mentioned.

There are all types of depression. Different treatments that for one, may not
work for another. I find medications do not work for me. Therapy does. I think
someone mentioned cognitive behavior therapy? That helped a little.

Just adding my 2 cents worth.