NYNY, And it's FRED by two sticks of butter

I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the outcome. I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how to make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with my oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in and out of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the points even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake this year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I revamped my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using splenda. It is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only one, so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The only way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices. When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year? Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I didn't make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small portions go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves, convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah, right. We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day. The only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think I might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the past were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan. 1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My new years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too. I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit back and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's house - no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control, that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY now they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if you don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who says I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex in his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a "regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit salad for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would have in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it better. And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully, not as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting to stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards on such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am going to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164

Sometimes I wonder when they will get the message though. G Eldest daughter did
prove that point today. I asked her where her hubby was, she said he stopped to
have a drink with the boys from his old place of employment (he was recently
transferred to another nearby town). She went on to say, "I told him no more than
one - too many drinkers out on the road today. If he has more than one he is to
call me to come get him. I don't need a call from the police or morgue on the
holiday". I came home laughing, told hubby that 13 years later our message has
finally sunk into her head. Funny how having kids of your own (or just normal
aging) will change your perspective on things.

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:35:45 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

Kids!!!

I'm not ready for the snow either.

For all the good that did me. At least 5" have fallen in my backyard
today.

I'm sure your voice broadcasts on audio delay; your kids will get the
message. Eventually.

Prairie Roots

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:02:37 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Oh gee, thanks PR! Both my kids have just left the house for the day, both are
driving. Both were given the mommy speech to watch the weather, be careful, be
smart and get their butts home when it starts looking nasty. I know they won't
listen - they know so much more than me. G

I'm not ready for the snow!

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:45:34 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

I think you must get the leftovers of Minnesota weather. What you
describe today was our weather on Thursday -- temps in the upper 50s.
Then it dropped to the low 30s on Friday, yesterday it snowed, and
today it's almost a blizzard. Just so you know what's coming. LOL!

Prairie Roots
232/173.6/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:38:18 -0600, Joyce wrote:

We are having the most bizarre weather here. It was cold Friday and Saturday,
30's but the wind was biting. I was glad that I was doing indoor exercising
though. G Today it's in the 60's but gray again, very windy and weathermen are
threatening a 30+ degree temp drop over the course of the day - with snowstorms
either overnight or tomorrow. The snow is normal this time of year, the warmer
temps are just wierd.

Glad you enjoyed your bike ride, and hope you're able to squeeze a few more in
before the permanent seasonal changes are upon you. (Also hope you have showered
and changed!)

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:50:31 -0800, Fred wrote:

This week was the pits until today and I finally got out a quick
FRIGID bike ride. It was 38F when I left and 37F when I returned but
mostly sunny. I did have to roll the bike through some snow in my
backyard - seriously and passed some on the grass along the route.
But it felt good - now I should get out of my bike clothes and shower
instead of doing this (G)

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:08:49 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I do think it's the change in weather... although, I tend to blame everything on
the weather. g It's been sunny and warmer here the past few days (warmer being
low 50's) and my motivation doesn't seem to be lacking as much. Those gray days
are horrid though.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:33:25 -0600, Prairie Roots wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:02:08 -0600, Joyce wrote:

We had the cold and winds kick in earlier in the week, not fun! I hate the gray
days, is so incredibly hard to get myself motivated to do anything. We've had a
few days of steady drizzle mixed with intermittent sleet here. I've stayed cooped
up in the house. Guess winter is setting in, time for me to get back into reading
(which I really do miss).

Joyce

Glad to know I'm not the only one who's have trouble getting myself to
do anything someone doesn't pay me to do. Even doing that much
requires a force of will. After your post, guess I'll just chalk up my
desire to stay under the covers to the transition to winter.

Prairie Roots

If you want I will put the nuggets recipe here too.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the outcome.
I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how to
make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with my
oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in and out
of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it
effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the points
even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake this
year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I revamped
my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using splenda. It
is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only one, so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The only
way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices. When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any
different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year? Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a
concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I didn't
make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it
elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small portions
go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves, convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah, right. We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day. The
only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal
about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think I
might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I
want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the past
were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan. 1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My new
years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too. I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit back and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's house -
no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control, that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY now
they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if you
don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who says
I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex in his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a "regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side
dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit salad for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would have in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it better.
And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully, not
as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting to
stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards on
such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The
Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am going
to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164

Yes, yes, please do!!!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:05 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

If you want I will put the nuggets recipe here too.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the outcome.
I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how to
make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with my
oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in and out
of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it
effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the points
even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake this
year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I revamped
my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using splenda. It
is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only one, so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The only
way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices. When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any
different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year? Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a
concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I didn't
make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it
elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small portions
go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves, convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah, right. We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day. The
only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal
about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think I
might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I
want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the past
were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan. 1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My new
years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too. I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit back and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's house -
no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control, that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY now
they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if you
don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who says
I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex in his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a "regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side
dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit salad for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would have in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it better.
And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully, not
as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting to
stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards on
such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The
Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am going
to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164

I cut these into 6 X 8 for 48 squares 2 points each. Very very fruitcake
like.

Beat 3 eggs for 15 minutes (this is the recipe from my grandmother, and
since she was born in the 1800's some time it is a little strange, I think
she beat them by hand. I do it for a couple of minutes with a mixer, the
eggs need to be very fluffy.
Add 2 cups sugar (I used half and half sugar and splenda)
2 cups flour
2 cups raisins (I used part raisins and part dried mixed fruit - not the
candied kind... last time I used raisins, apricots and cherries)
2 cups english walnuts (I used 1 cup)
Add enough bakin chocolate dissolved in a little hot water just to give
dough dark color. ( I used about a half ounce and about a tablespoon of
water in the micro )
Add a pinch of bakin powder
Flavor with nutmeg, cinnamon and vanilla (she did not put salt but I like a
pinch)
Bake 40 minutes at 325
I use a 9 X 12 pan, or 8 X 10 if I want them thicker. It is the consistency
of brownies. Tastes like fruitcake.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yes, yes, please do!!!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:05 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

If you want I will put the nuggets recipe here too.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the
outcome.
I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how to
make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it
comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with my
oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in and
out
of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it
effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the
points
even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake this
year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I
revamped
my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using splenda.
It
is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only one,
so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The only
way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices.
When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any
different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year? Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a
concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I didn't
make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it
elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and
cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small
portions
go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a
slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through
my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would
start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves,
convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah, right.
We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for
failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day. The
only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal
about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch
those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think I
might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I
want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the past
were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan.
1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My new
years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off
any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too. I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE
day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit back
and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's
house -
no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is
bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control,
that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY now
they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if you
don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who
says
I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex in
his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you
say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to
stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a "regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side
dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit salad
for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am
just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would have
in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter
squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it better.
And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully,
not
as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting to
stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards
on
such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of
all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left
over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The
Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am
going
to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the
great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164

drooling, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
.. .
If you want I will put the nuggets recipe here too.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the
outcome.
I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how to
make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it
comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with my
oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in and
out
of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it
effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the points
even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake this
year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I
revamped
my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using splenda.
It
is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only one,
so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The only
way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices.
When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any
different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year? Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a
concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I didn't
make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it
elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and
cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small portions
go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a
slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would
start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves, convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah, right.
We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day. The
only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal
about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think I
might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I
want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the past
were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan.
1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My new
years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off
any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too. I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE
day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit back
and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's
house -
no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is
bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control,
that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY now
they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if you
don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who
says
I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex in
his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to
stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a "regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side
dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit salad
for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am
just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would have
in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter
squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it better.
And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully,
not
as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting to
stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards on
such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of
all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left
over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The
Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am
going
to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the
great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164

this sounds great, thanks, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
...
I cut these into 6 X 8 for 48 squares 2 points each. Very very fruitcake
like.

Beat 3 eggs for 15 minutes (this is the recipe from my grandmother, and
since she was born in the 1800's some time it is a little strange, I think
she beat them by hand. I do it for a couple of minutes with a mixer, the
eggs need to be very fluffy.
Add 2 cups sugar (I used half and half sugar and splenda)
2 cups flour
2 cups raisins (I used part raisins and part dried mixed fruit - not the
candied kind... last time I used raisins, apricots and cherries)
2 cups english walnuts (I used 1 cup)
Add enough bakin chocolate dissolved in a little hot water just to give
dough dark color. ( I used about a half ounce and about a tablespoon of
water in the micro )
Add a pinch of bakin powder
Flavor with nutmeg, cinnamon and vanilla (she did not put salt but I like
a
pinch)
Bake 40 minutes at 325
I use a 9 X 12 pan, or 8 X 10 if I want them thicker. It is the
consistency
of brownies. Tastes like fruitcake.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Yes, yes, please do!!!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:05 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

If you want I will put the nuggets recipe here too.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the
outcome.
I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how
to
make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add
or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but
the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it
comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to
remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with
my
oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in
and
out
of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it
effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the
points
even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like
a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake
this
year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I
revamped
my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using
splenda.
It
is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only
one,
so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The
only
way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices.
When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any
different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year?
Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a
concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I
didn't
make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it
elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and
cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small
portions
go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a
slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through
my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would
start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves,
convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah,
right.
We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for
failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day.
The
only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal
about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch
those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think
I
might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I
want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the
past
were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan.
1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My
new
years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off
any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too.
I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE
day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit
back
and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's
house -
no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is
bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control,
that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY
now
they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if
you
don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who
says
I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex
in
his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you
say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to
stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a
"regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side
dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit
salad
for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am
just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would
have
in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter
squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it
better.
And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully,
not
as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting
to
stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards
on
such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of
all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left
over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The
Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am
going
to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the
great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164

Thank you! They sound fantastic. I'm going to give them a whirl and will let you
know the end results. Maybe towards the end of this week ... I'm going to give
myself a few more days to readjust from the holiday. G

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:47:57 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

I cut these into 6 X 8 for 48 squares 2 points each. Very very fruitcake
like.

Beat 3 eggs for 15 minutes (this is the recipe from my grandmother, and
since she was born in the 1800's some time it is a little strange, I think
she beat them by hand. I do it for a couple of minutes with a mixer, the
eggs need to be very fluffy.
Add 2 cups sugar (I used half and half sugar and splenda)
2 cups flour
2 cups raisins (I used part raisins and part dried mixed fruit - not the
candied kind... last time I used raisins, apricots and cherries)
2 cups english walnuts (I used 1 cup)
Add enough bakin chocolate dissolved in a little hot water just to give
dough dark color. ( I used about a half ounce and about a tablespoon of
water in the micro )
Add a pinch of bakin powder
Flavor with nutmeg, cinnamon and vanilla (she did not put salt but I like a
pinch)
Bake 40 minutes at 325
I use a 9 X 12 pan, or 8 X 10 if I want them thicker. It is the consistency
of brownies. Tastes like fruitcake.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Yes, yes, please do!!!

Joyce

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 12:52:05 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

If you want I will put the nuggets recipe here too.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I'm thinking I will play with it next week, will let you know the
outcome.
I will
remember to definitely keep the coffee in! I just have to learn how to
make
strong coffee. G

Joyce

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 19:36:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

That recipe was my grandmothers. The coffee makes it. You can add or
subtract pretty much anything, I made it once with egg whites, but the
little bit of fat in the egg yolk really makes a difference

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
I learned last year if I cut the fudge into very small pieces, it
comes
out to 1
point per piece - which really isn't too bad. I just have to remind
myself not to
keep grabbing pieces all day long. g I send a bunch home with my
oldest
daughter, freeze some, and put a bit out for those wandering in and
out
of
the
house.

I saw your date nut bread recipe posted, printed it out. Would it
effect
the end
product at all by using egg substitutes? That might lower the
points
even
further. You also said by throwing raisins into it, would be like a
fruitcake ...
you may have found a way that I can actually have my fruitcake this
year!
I may
play around a bit with your recipe. g

Joyce


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:49:58 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yeah. Fudge. Make it and Lose it as quickly as possible. I
revamped
my
date nut bread recipe which was low fat already, by using splenda.
It
is
great.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
My weakness is fruitcake. I love the stuff and I'm the only one,
so
know
that no
one is going to help me if a box shows up in the house. The only
way
it
will
enter this year is if I can purchase it in individual slices.
When
it's
gone,
it's gone. And do I really need candy canes? Are they any
different
from
regular
peppermint candies that I could buy any ol' time of the year? Or
specially
wrapped holiday chocolates? I think not! I have to make a
concession
on
my fudge
though ... it's tradition and the kids would shoot me if I didn't
make
some.
sigh So only one 5 pound batch, and will send much of it
elsewhere.

Joyce

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:01:10 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

yeah, me too. And I am not buying a bunch of ribbon candy and
cut
rock
and
making date nut bread.... etc.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
That's pretty much how I handle all my dinners. Small
portions
go
on
the
plate,
then I can go back for more if I decide I want more. I'm a
slow
eater
anyway,
usually everyone is done before I've made it halfway through
my
meal.
And
boy do
I understand your old eating habits. Holiday treats would
start
entering
the
house the minute they appeared on the store shelves,
convincing
myself
that I'd
worry about it after the start of the new year. Yeah, right.
We
all
know
how
THAT line of thinking works. I don't believe in new years
resolutions,
think
they're another one of those things that set me up for
failure.
This
just
has to
be a way of life for me, I have to practice it every day. The
only
concession I
am making for the holidays is that I'm not going to get anal
about
how
far
I can
cut a recipe back on calories, fat, etc. I'll just watch
those
portion
sizes!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yes, exactly. I am going to put about half of what I think I
might
want
on
my plate, or a third, and keep in mind I can have more if I
want.
Then
eat
slowly and enjoy every bite. My holiday problems in the past
were
mostly
from starting about Now to sample treats and ending up Jan.
1st
with
the
stomach to show for it and the new years resolution. My new
years
resolution this year is going to be to not have to take off
any
weight.
.!

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Hey long lost sis, I'm beginning to think like you too. I
decided
last
week that
I'm just not going to worry about Thanksgiving. It's ONE
day,
that's
all.
Plenty
of time to adjust before and after, might as well sit back
and
enjoy
the
day. I'm
not going to fuss too much, dinner will be at my MIL's
house -
no
idea
yet
as to
how many will be there. I know my oldest daughter is
bringing
that
wonderful
cheesecake and I will not refuse it! Portion control,
that's
gonna
be
my
motto.
grin

Joyce
current weight: 130; total loss 98.8 lbs
Lifetime: 4/4/03

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:51:47 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Hey you had to eat all those activity points that DAY now
they
are
Gone.!!

And yes, I am not competitive It is really okay if you
don't
even
Think
about this, it was just a *joke*. smirk. Anyway, who
says
I
am
not
doing
it for myself (as I gaze at the picture of the evil Ex in
his
bathing
suit
from his last trip down here , ya hahahahahaha, can you
say
Whale?)

Whatever floats my boat. I will use anything at all to
stay
below
goal,
be
it bit**y or not. And I am planning on having a "regular"
thanksgiving
dinner. Last year I made lots and lots of 0 point side
dishes.
This
year I
am going to make the traditional dinner, have fruit salad
for
breakfast
that
day, and soup in the evening. Then at the big meal I am
just
going
to
choose my portion sizes more reasonably that I would have
in
years
past.
No
faux mashed potatoes this year. I will do the winter
squash
mashed
thing
instead of sweet potatoes, because I truly like it better.
And
pumpkin
pie
instead of pecan.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You are doing this for yourself. This is not a
competition!!!!!!
(aside: damn, now will I have to starve myself)

I don't do butter.

Turkey day is going to be a challenge - but hopefully,
not
as
painful
as last year - my first holiday on WW and attempting to
stick
fully
to
program was terrible. I've since relaxed my standards
on
such
days.
Nowhere like the old days but not painful avoidance of
all
foods!!

The northern contingent still has activity points left
over
from
that
Oregon backpack trip (G)


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:45:24 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Well, I went back down to 159.5 this week, but The
Northern
Contingent
still
is ahead (behind?) by half a pound. Look out. I am
going
to
count
and
journal all week to try and get off a bit before the
great
turkey
experiment.

Lesanne
(365)247/159.5/164