Just venting

also makes me wonder if you are craving the fat in the dough, which if you
eat too little can stall weightloss, Lee
Tayra wrote in message
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ahmward wrote:


"Tayra" wrote in message
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Especially when you're craving delicious baked fruit pastries like I
am right now. Lovely pies, specifically. I could eat a roadside pie
shop out of business right now. Seriously.

Who wants blueberry?

-Tay


How about a cup of fresh blueberries?

But that's not pie, with the buttery, flaky crust and syrupy middle

It's not like I *have* pie, even if I had a small enough willpower I
couldn't keep myself from eating it. Heck, I've got cinnamon scones in
the kitchen right now, and they're in no danger. But that doesn't mean
I don't want it anyway

Besides, my grocery store doesn't have blueberries currently. It's crap
:P

-Tay

pretend you are doing a Saturday night live skit, Lee
Tayra wrote in message
...
Karen Officer wrote:

may sound silly but it works) get some marching music and sit down
and conduct orchestra. I have heard that gets the heart going to an
aerobic level.

Hm. Interesting idea. I dunno, tho, I used to conduct our band back in
school, and it never was particularly energetic. I think it's just that
I learned how to conduct properly from an actual conductor, and it's all
very small, precise movements with a baton to emphasize, not big stuff
that gets your heart pumping. Darn experience

-Tay

The bedmonsters MUST die, according to all five of mine, Lee
Willow wrote in message
news
That works great only I can't do it anymore cause my cat thinks it's the
perfect target for sneak attacks.. *grin*

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"tinkerbell" wrote in message
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Anything that can get you moving is great! Sometimes I just lay in bed
and
do scissors with my legs.

"Willow" wrote in message
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Who cares about what's the "right way" to conduct, just make it big,
it's
not like you've got musicians watching you..

*grin* Silliness is what makes this program so much fun, c'mon..

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


"Tayra" wrote in message
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Karen Officer wrote:

may sound silly but it works) get some marching music and sit
down
and conduct orchestra. I have heard that gets the heart going to
an
aerobic level.

Hm. Interesting idea. I dunno, tho, I used to conduct our band
back
in
school, and it never was particularly energetic. I think it's just
that
I learned how to conduct properly from an actual conductor, and it's
all
very small, precise movements with a baton to emphasize, not big
stuff
that gets your heart pumping. Darn experience

-Tay

renting them is a way to try different ones out before you spend cash, Lee
Charlene Charette wrote in message
nk.net...
Tayra wrote:

Really, the library isn't a feasible option for us. But for what it's
worth, my heart gets running high a few hours each day anyway, just from
all the housework I have to do. An exercise video would sort of be
overkill, even assuming I *did* have time to do it.

For others who are looking for exercise videos and the library isn't an
option... You can also find them at Blockbuster, Hollywood Video,
Netflix, etc.

--Charlene


--
CPR: An emergency exercise that helps concerned onlookers feel useful
while the victim expires. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002


email perronnelle at earthlink . net

that's the right attitude, Lee
Tayra wrote in message
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Willow wrote:

We all want to loose 5 lbs a week, but honestly it's unrealistic and
unhealthy if you can manage it.

I wouldn't mind losing 10 a week. For that matter, I wouldn't mind
waking up at 170 tomorrow morning

Take it easy, sometimes the body seems to melt, and sometimes it seems
to
hang to every little bit of fat.. that how the game goes..

G-luck

Thanks. Maybe if I suffer through this for another week or two, I'll
get into a melting phase

-Tay

if losing slowly is any indication, I am so good to go, Lee
Karen Officer wrote in message
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Tayra
I know how that feels. All I can say is keep trying. I have heard
that losing slower means your less likely to gain it back. Don't know
if its true or not. I'm a very slow loser too.
Good luck
Karen

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:41:50 -0500, in
alt.support.diet.weigh****chers, Tayra
wrote:

My weigh-in's tomorrow night. I want to be optimistic about it, but I
haven't been moving much recently. I've had a 0.8lb gain, a 3oz loss, a
3lb loss, a 3oz loss, a 2lb loss, and a 3oz gain over the past six
weeks. That's 4.4lbs in six weeks. That's a bit over half a pound a
week. It's *far* less than what I *should* be losing, according to my
doctor and Mike and, well, me. Mike insists I should be losing close to
5lbs a week right now, just because I'm so heavy, and I'm still in my
first six months of the program. Me, I'd be happy with 3lbs/wk, and so
would my doctor. And yeah, a 3oz loss is better than a gain, but it's
very nearly standing still. And I don't like it.

I know I'm going to feel hopeful when I step on the scale. I always do.
But I'm getting to the stage where it's becoming a frustrating
disappointment virtually every week. One out of three weeks wouldn't be
so bad; four out of six just batters on my determination.

And I know about plateaus. I didn't have one here going up, I shouldn't
have one going down, but I'm willing to wait another few weeks to see if
it kicks up. If not, I'm going to have to sit down and have a serious
talk with Mike about what's going on, because I'm following the program
wonderfully, and if it's not working.. arg.

Even my glorious red hair color's fading to orange, after only a week
and a half. And my husband's job/schooling future is in a bit of
turmoil right now. Nothing's going right, really. Blah.

-Tay

I think I have said it here before, I don't want to pay WW for the rest of
my life but I will if that what keeps off what I have already lost, Lee
Willow wrote in message
et...
Giving up ain't in my vocabulary.. I'm at a healthy weight now, lost
75lbs,
gaine a little back.. am loosing it now.. giving up ain't an option...

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.


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My experience with all kinds of diet is that it loose fast at the
beginning, then slowing down,and finally you give up or try something
else.

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I agree with your definition but they can also be caused for other reasons,
too much salt, not enough variety in food choices, stress causing the body
to panic, not eating enough, or eating too much are all legitimate reasons
for a plateau, and have you recently begun/changed any medications? Lee
Tayra wrote in message
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rmr wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:37:01 -0500, Tayra
wrote:

rmr wrote:

You don't plateau at 380 pounds.

Why not?

2 months ago you were loing 2.5 pounds/week. Now you are losing
nothing. The body doesn't change that quickly. It doesn't drop your
metabolism by 1200 calories a day that quickly.

So, you're saying a person can't have a plateau at a given weight
because they were losing weight faster a few months earlier? That feels
like apples and oranges to me.

Regardless, I'm not 'losing nothing'; according to FitDay, my average
for the last two months (data running from Jun 15 to Aug 15) is
1.63lbs/wk. This is down from the 2.45 average it gave me two and a
half months ago (data from Feb 24 to May 31), yes, but only by a pound,
it's not a complete stop. Would it not be reasonable that a large
initial weight loss (I lost 11lbs in my first four weeks, for example)
had contributed to the large average for that initial time period, and
thus there isn't actually a sudden change, but in fact there *has* been
a gradual slow-down? The graph is actually quite smooth, with a
steadily lessening delta-Y, best described by the equation y =
-11.898Ln(x) + 423.17. Obviously it's not *that* smooth, but the line
fits very closely.

So, the flattening of the graph, in addition to the fact that I spent
more than two years weighing between 360 and 415 (I don't know precisely
where; as I think I've said, I didn't have a scale, but the average of
those is 387).. since from what I understand, plateaus are most likely
to occur in places where you spent a lot of time before.. would in fact
suggest a plateau.

Does anybody else have a conflicting definition of what causes a
weight-loss plateau?

-Tay

thank you, Lee, who used the block button, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
. ..
I have to begin this by saying berating Tayra is cruel, unnecessary and
even
if you had a point (which you just have your opinion) it would be a really
great idea to keep it to yourself. Like ole Momma used to say "If you
cannot
say something positive don't say anything at all".

People get to choose how fast they want to lose. Frankly the slower you
lose
the more likely you will keep it off. The more foods that you actually eat
and enjoy, that you incorporate into your food plan, the better, you will
learn how much of those you can eat and not gain.

Bourne, I have a blast of reality for you. Maintenance is the most
difficult
thing I have ever experienced. I too am in this for the LAST time, and you
can bet you better be able to live with what you are eating now for the
rest
of your life, or just quit now and save yourself the hassle. As the weight
comes off, you must exercise more, or eat less to move around your lighter
body. Exercising more only works to a point. As you near goal, it will
make
you ravenously hungry. The only way it will make a difference at that
point
is if you quit, then you will begin gaining on much less than you ate the
first time you gained your weight.

I am a health professional who studied this for 40 years trying to solve
my
own problem. I did it every way a person can, and regained every time
until
this time.

This time, I am watching for the tendency to relapse, going for my monthly
weigh ins, and Eating Any Food I think I want.

Sure I eat mostly healthy foods, because I get more of that for the
points.

But eliminating your favorite foods from your diet is a sure fired way to
set yourself up for eventual failure.

--
Lesanne


But your choices are not good ones. Yes, on WW you can have your own
choice if you stay within the poinnts, however, if you take a person
who eats all their points in WW ice cream pops, and a person who eats
based on the Healthy Guidelines of vegetables, grains, good fats, etc,
the second person will lose much more weight, faster, with more lean
muscle mass that that of the person who chose to eat their points in
fat laden, but less foods.

I'm in this for the LAST time. I am not going through this **** again
and again. I want to lost my weight and keep it off. I will only do
that if I change how I experience food and stop sucking on it like a
passifier. Nym nym nym.

If you don't get this point I am trying to make, don't complain a peep
when you, at 380, GAIN weight on WW.

I also have to question you when you say you can't stand for five
minutes. Okay, been there, had horrible fascitis in both feet and
horrible hip pain, knee pain, etc. None of which is solely due to
fatness, so said the orthopedist, by the way. He told me he has far
more thin people with these issues than heavy people. My question is,
who made your food for you in order for you to become almost 500
pounds? Did you gain all that weight in cookies? I know what I had
to eat to gain my weight. It was a hell of a lot more than cookies.

and you are a fine example, living life and loving it, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
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Tayra this person is missing the point. You are doing fine, and yes, I had
slowdowns in my weight loss while I was still very heavy. I think that was
your original question. Since I am at goal and have been there for two
years
I can tell you for sure that you can eat anything you want in moderation
and
both lose slowly (which is very smart) and keep it off while still having
a
life.
I eat out. I even go to a favorite place every year on my birthday and eat
one enormous onion ring and some fried shrimp. Still stay at goal too.
Guess
at the points, and go a little low the day after and it usually does not
even cause a temporary gain.
--
Lesanne
"Tayra" wrote in message
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Bourne Identity wrote:

Yes, but this person was gaining weight, not losing.

Actually, no, I wasn't gaining. My rate of loss had slowed, it hadn't
reversed. I'd lost 4.4lbs over 6 weeks. I've now lost 6.4lbs over 7
weeks. There was never a reversal into gaining.

I had fajitas just last week. Or, I should say ONE fajita, using no
meat, only the vegetables, a tbsp each of guacamole and sour cream,
and a no fat, high fiber, whole wheat tortilla. Now, if I went to a
restaurant, or a barbque, how on earth would I be able to count all
that up not knowing exactly the structure of the food I was eating.

Dunno. That's why I wouldn't eat a fajita at a restaurant. A friend of
mine grills them, and uses stock products, which I had in front of me to
calculate from and measure. I wouldn't even let him put the condiments
on
for me.

-T