My Progress

L.B. Listmann wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-)

Then why are they dying of disease and suffering nutritional deficiencies
that weaken the immune system?

The healthiest people are winning gold medals at Olympic events (i.e.
Michael Phelps) and also winning various twinkie/hotdog eating
contests to the amazement of spectators expecting obese winners.
Their ability to eat large amounts is an indication that these hungry
(healthy) competitors are far from dying from anything.

Have personally become about 12 million times hungrier (healthier)
since using the 2PD-OMER Approach over the past 12 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc

"A laborer's appetite works for him. His hunger drives him on." --
King Solomon

Amen.

Truth is simple :-)

Love in the truth,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com

Only GOD can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
...

"Indeed most people using the 2PD-OMER Approach are doing this in
combination with a diet comprising of their favorite foods."

Eating 2 lbs of food consisting of 8 or 9000 calories a day will not cause
weight loss, especially in short inactive women.

SNIP!

wrote in message
u...
Truth:

The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice


All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.

Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which does not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.

God bless.

Chung got this 2PD nonsense from the bible. Apparently be believes everyone
from near infancy to old age is supposed to consume 2 lbs of food a day.
Calories don't matter according to Chung. He bases this 2 PD diet on the
biblical "manna from heaven" story. There is no basis in reality for this
diet he's pushing.

"Atheno" wrote in message
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:56:56 -0500, L.B. Listmann wrote
(in article ):

What are your credentials to claim things you can't imagine don't exist?

Evidently if Chung writes it, if is true according to MU

Yeah, you're right. I noticed. He worships Chung.

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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On 2009-05-12, L.B. Listmann wrote:
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
...

Two pounds of the stuff that constitutes the average intake appears to
be
in
the ballpark for safe, effective dieting, for both men and women.


2 lbs of *WHAT STUFF?*

Obviously, food that has an average caloric density of between 1.5 and 2
kcal/g.

This is easy to achieve. If every component of every meal has a density
in this range, then the overall density cannot be outside of that
range. (Mean value theorem from calculus).

Do not put anything on that scale that has more than 2 kcal/g.

And how would anyone know what contains 2 kcal/g? What about those of us
not familiar with the metric system or are poor in math?


Anything which has calories must be weighed, including liquids.
If you think you can put a 500g soda on the scale and still be
able to eat well in the 407g you have left, go ahead.

How many people carry around g scales?


I would go with lean meats, vegetables, pastas, rice---that sort of thing.
Only
a smattering of dense fat and carbs like butter, cheese, chocolate,
crackers or
cookies, etc; I would tend to weigh that separately and keep it all under
50g,
which would cap its caloric contribution at 450 kcal.

How would you know the 50g contains 450 kcals?


I would put that tip-of-the-USDA-food-pyramid type of stuff on the scale
first
and stop at 50 g.

For the remaining 857 g, I would add some healthy stuff that has a caloric
density of under 1.7 kcal/g.

And how would anyone how what foods those are?

L.B. Listmann wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

"Indeed most people using the 2PD-OMER Approach are doing this in
combination with a diet comprising of their favorite foods."

Eating 2 lbs of food consisting of 8 or 9000 calories a day ...

Bomb calorimeter measurements of 2 lbs (908 grams) of food comprising
of a variety of a person's favorites typically yields about 1800
calories and not 8000-9000 calories as you falsely claim. This has
been pointed out to you earlier by Kaz:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...9d7d5b48ad463?

Truth is simple :-)

May GOD soften your heart, LB, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the truth,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopus and Simon ...
.... ----------------- be hungry ! ! !"

Only GOD can cut the "hunger is starvation" delusion from our hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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On 2009-05-12, L.B. Listmann wrote:
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
You can measure a quantity of food once a day, and only eat food from
that pre-measured parcel.

Oh give us a break!

``Us'' meaning what, fat ****s?

Yes, far ****s just like yourself.


Measure and then carry food around all day? To work.
school.

Yes, this may surprise the hell out of you, but people do actually pack
and carry lunch to work and school. What planet do you live on?


Which are you from to post like a socially retarded child? Why do you
fanatics always post like school boys? You should have learned from you
momma how quickly food spoils in the summer, especially in the south.


Obviously, you don't have to carry your breakfast with you, nor your
dinner;
you leave those at home.

Weigh everything, put away the dinner, eat the breakfast, pack the lunch.

It's perfectly plausible.

And dangerous unless it's something dry like cereal or crackers.


If you want a freshly cooked dinner, then weigh just the breakfast
and packed lunch, then weigh the dinner again. Two numbers to add.

While shopping. Carry around a cooler of ice and hot bottles to
preserve it and keep it from spoiling?

I have such a cooler, and sometimes use it.

What exactly are you arguing against now? Since you don't bring food
to work, where do you get it from?

I have to stop at a restaurant. They all sell salads and low-carb lunches.


Eat while standing at the bus stop
or in someone's doorway?

Sounds like you're a tub who must eat all the time. While shopping,
at the bus stop, in someone's doorway.

A tub? I have 20 lbs to lose. Does that make me a tub? What qualifies YOU
to judge others?


No wonder you're recoiling at the thought of eating only two pounds.

2 lbs of *WHAT* is the problem. Manna from heaven isn't available anymore.
Why not make it 1 lb a day? Or 1 1/2 lbs a day. Why 2 lbs a day? Because
Chung says so?


Are YOU stupid or just ignorant of the dangers of
carting food around all day?

Well aware of the dangers of obesity.

How much weight have you lost on 2 lbs a day? How tall are you and how
active are you?

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...e71fa96107435?

The irrational resistance (excuse-making) against using the simple
2PD-OMER Approach arises from the pervasive and deadly delusion that
"hunger is starvation" which has been discussed in a different thread
starting with the following OP:

Why do you lie constantly? I have never seen anyone on these groups claim
"hunger" is "starvation." Repeating a lie wont make it the truth. Your god
will punish you severely for lying constantly. You will roast in hell like a
pig on the spit.

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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Hunger is a normal body signal that people who eat normally should feel
several
times a day. Moreover, it should persist during the consumption of a meal
and
for some time afterward.


What makes you qualified to make that statement? You've been brainwashed by
Chung and his magic manna diet.

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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Thus, in two ways, this 2PD discourages the bat habit of quaffing your
calories, which is a nice point in favor of this approach.

And you learned this from the bible's manna-from-heaven story, right?