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Ok, fine, whatever, I give up
Wow Luna. How frustrating. As I read your post, a few questions came
to my mind. First, have you been keeping track of your body fat percentage? That could be going down, even though your weight isn't, which would still mean that you are losing fat. That should make you feel less frustrated. With all your working out, I bet that is part of it at least. Second, how exactly are you counting calories and carbs? I never count, and I am not at all interested in it, but sometimes I lose the "natural feel" for how much is enough to eat, all the while eating relatively LC. That has been making me frustrated and lately I've started seeing a few pounds creep back on (I'm in maintenance). So, as JC says, this past week, I started a different tack. At night I write down exactly what I'm going to eat the next day, and then the next day I do not stray from that at all. I've finally started losing again. It helped me that there was a thread a few days ago where someone (sorry, I've lost the post, so I can't give credit, but I sure appreciated it!) told me exactly what he ate every day. That gave me a clue about how to structure my meals, at least for a while while I get back on track. If you want, you could post what you eat, and people could give you ideas, or I could email you the menus I've collected for this past week. Either of those things might help you. Just some ideas, Rebecca Luna wrote: Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last weigh-in at Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back to what I was in January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156, with likewise minute fluctuations in measurements that are probably due to different people measuring me in slightly different ways. I've been working out 5 - 6 days a week, weight lifting 3x a week, cardio as a warm up on weight days, and more cardio on non-weight days. I'm pushing myself as hard as I can on the working out. I've been averaging around 1200 calories a day, about 30g of carbs a day. I'm NOT giving up on low-carb. I like eating this way, and at least I'm not gaining. I'm not giving up on exercise either, because I like it too. But I guess I need to give up on losing any more weight, because apparently this is where my body wants to be, and to tell you the truth I'd rather be at this weight forever than eat any less, because I'm already restricting myself enough so that it's a pain in the butt and I'm hungry most of the time. I've butched up about as much as I can. No, that's not true, I could eat less. I could force myself to eat one small salad a day and nothing else. But what's the point? Been there, done that, hated every minute of it way more than I hate being fat. I'm not saying I love to pig out more than I hate being fat, it's not about wanting to eat huge portions of stuff, it's about how I don't think I could stick with being hungry when I go to bed, hungry when I wake up, hungry all day long, stomach growling loud enough that other people can hear it, ****ed off because I've just eaten a hard boiled egg for lunch and I'm still hungry, for the rest of my life. I have always been skeptical about people who say they don't eat a lot and they do exercise but they can't lose weight, and now look at me, I've become what I ridiculed. Whatever. **** it. |
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Hi,
On 15-Apr-2004, Luna wrote: Ok, fine. Maybe I should try eating more and exercising less? Or maybe I should try . . . what? Voo-doo? Diet pills? Praying? It's just one more pointless, stupid endeavor in the pointless, stupid life of a pointless, stupid person in a pointless, stupid world. I recommend sex. It won't help with the recalcitrant weight loss but you'll be so busy being happy or falling asleep you won't care for a while - and there's no hang-over. ;-) By the time you wake up tomorrow you'll probably have found another reserve of Give-a-Crap too. Take care, Carmen |
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Carmen wrote:
Hi, On 15-Apr-2004, Luna wrote: Ok, fine. Maybe I should try eating more and exercising less? Or maybe I should try . . . what? Voo-doo? Diet pills? Praying? It's just one more pointless, stupid endeavor in the pointless, stupid life of a pointless, stupid person in a pointless, stupid world. I recommend sex. It won't help with the recalcitrant weight loss but you'll be so busy being happy or falling asleep you won't care for a while - and there's no hang-over. ;-) By the time you wake up tomorrow you'll probably have found another reserve of Give-a-Crap too. Take care, Carmen ~~~waves at Carmen~~~ always glad to see you -- Nani |
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Luna wrote:
| Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last | weigh-in at Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back | to what I was in January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156, | with likewise minute fluctuations in measurements that are probably | due to different people measuring me in slightly different ways. snip |Whatever. **** it. --- Michelle, even if you don't lose another ounce you are *hot!* And I mean it. I just visited your website (your revamped site is great, BTW) and looked at all your pix again. You have nothing to be ashamed of; you've got that classic Mae West hourglass figure going on that many women would kill to have. I know it's easy to say, but hang in there. I remember Myra S. saying that she endured a year and half long stall before she suddenly started losing again, and went on to drop tons of weight. You've got too much going for yourself to get discouraged. -- Peter 270/222/180 website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo |
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In article , DJ Delorie
wrote: Ok, where are you now then? Height, weight, %bf, goal? Have you checked your morning temp recently (before you get up and move around is best)? Blood pressure? Height: 5'4", weight, 156, BF% 27.5. Morning temp? I have no idea, never heard of checking it as part of a weight loss plan. Blood pressure was normal last I had it checked, in November. I'm at the point where I eat 1200 kcals/day AND do 500 kcals of cardio a day AND only lose a pound or so a week. Some folks just have a hard time at this point, you may be one of them. There are things you can do to get past this point, but you have to try a few things to find out what they are. I would be thrilled with 1 pound lost a week. Or one pound a month! I haven't lost at all since January. The first step, assuming you're willing to try something new, is to find your maintenance level and "normalize" your diet. Higher carbs (isocaloric if you can) at maintenance cals (14-16x lbm) for two weeks. This should reset any diet-related metabolic stuff. Well, at 1200 cals a day, I've been eating around 8x body weight. But when I was at 2000 a day, I wasn't losing or gaining then either. Next, "a change is as good as a vacation." Something like a CKD or UD2 carb-up, or a high-calorie fat "fast", or even just a "food-up", might kick-start your metabolism again. Some folks have to carb-up regularly to keep their metabolism going, others just need to food-up. I'm wary of "carbing up" since the more carbs I eat, the hungrier I get. Honestly, I feel like I've been eating less than I should. Or maybe just less often than I should. I delay eating until I'm _really_ hungry, to try to make sure it's not just boredom, and then I end up eating too much, and then I skip dinner because I ate so much at lunch, ya know? So then I wake up starving and have too big a breakfast, and then I skip lunch because breakfast was so huge, then I overeat at dinner and start the whole stupid cycle over again. No wonder it's not working. I look at it written down now and it looks so stupid. I keep oscillating between being afraid to eat, and being too hungry to care if I eat too much. So here's what I'll do. Sorry I got so negative before, I'm gonna blame it on the unusually severe neck pain I've had today. Anyway, I'm going back to eating small, frequent meals throughout the day, bollucks to calorie counting, and I'll see what happens. Another option is to just wait. Eat at maintenance, worrying only about not gaining, and let your body rest at its current weight for a month or so. Then resume dieting and see what happens. Yeah, that's what I was doing, just waiting at first. Now, it's been 3 months with no change. -- Michelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. |
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In article m,
"marengo" wrote: Luna wrote: | Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last | weigh-in at Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back | to what I was in January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156, | with likewise minute fluctuations in measurements that are probably | due to different people measuring me in slightly different ways. snip |Whatever. **** it. --- Michelle, even if you don't lose another ounce you are *hot!* And I mean it. I just visited your website (your revamped site is great, BTW) and looked at all your pix again. You have nothing to be ashamed of; you've got that classic Mae West hourglass figure going on that many women would kill to have. I know it's easy to say, but hang in there. I remember Myra S. saying that she endured a year and half long stall before she suddenly started losing again, and went on to drop tons of weight. You've got too much going for yourself to get discouraged. Thanks. Especially for the compliment about my website. As for the body compliment, well . . . of course I don't see it, but thanks anyway. The most helpful thing you just told me was about Myra. A year and a half? Really? Hey, if she can put up with it, I can. -- Michelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws. |
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Luna writes: Height: 5'4", weight, 156, BF% 27.5. Ok, for females this may be close to the "lean" area, as I've read that "ideal" for females is 22%. I'm at about 19-20% (vs ideal of 15%) which is about where you are, relatively speaking. Morning temp? I have no idea, never heard of checking it as part of a weight loss plan. Your temp drops a degree or two when your metabolism slows down. a 1 degree drop is about a 10% drop in metabolism. Plus, a chronically low temp indicates a potentially sluggish metabolism. Blood pressure was normal last I had it checked, in November. Low BP is another indicator. I would be thrilled with 1 pound lost a week. Or one pound a month! I haven't lost at all since January. Ok, here's what I do: 1200 kcals/day of pretty much anything (not LC, but high protein percent-wise), spreading it to 3-5 meals. First thing in the morning, 18 mg equivalent yohimbine followed by 500 kcals of heavy cardio (I drop 0.5-1 lbs just in sweat here). If I'm anal about it, the weight drops off slowly but consistently. If I'm not anal, it doesn't. Well, at 1200 cals a day, I've been eating around 8x body weight. But when I was at 2000 a day, I wasn't losing or gaining then either. Well, pick the highest kcals/day that you don't gain on, and consider that your maintenance level. I'm wary of "carbing up" since the more carbs I eat, the hungrier I get. That is NOT a problem in a real carb up, since you eat more carbs than even hunger can keep up with. UD2, for example, is 12-16 g/kg LBM carbs (that's 2500-3300 calories just from carbs for you) in a 30 hour period. PLUS 113g protein and 50g fat (another 900 cals). But you have to schedule different types of weight training around it for it to work right, too. Honestly, I feel like I've been eating less than I should. Could be. Managing food is more than just restricting it. I delay eating until I'm _really_ hungry, At this point, your blood sugar is probably already abnormal, so it's too late. to make sure it's not just boredom, and then I end up eating too much, and then I skip dinner because I ate so much at lunch, ya know? So then I wake up starving and have too big a breakfast, and then I skip lunch because breakfast was so huge, then I overeat at dinner and start the whole stupid cycle over again. No wonder it's not working. Yeah, bouncy eating can cause problems. Try this for a week: print out one of my food forms (http://www.delorie.com/health/) and keep track of how many calories you eat at each meal, and *when*. If you see what your calories are doing, maybe that will help you feel OK about eating more regularly? Practice eating 5 meals of 250 cals each at regular intervals - use the form to schedule the next day, for example, and to remind you of what meal sizes work. Planning ahead might help. Another option is to just wait. Eat at maintenance, worrying only about not gaining, and let your body rest at its current weight for a month or so. Then resume dieting and see what happens. Yeah, that's what I was doing, just waiting at first. Now, it's been 3 months with no change. No, you were dieting for three months. I meant up your cals to maintenance and wait a while. It's a *rest* for your metabolism. |
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Luna wrote:
Ok, fine. Maybe I should try eating more and exercising less? Or maybe I should try . . . what? Voo-doo? Diet pills? Praying? It's just one more pointless, stupid endeavor in the pointless, stupid life of a pointless, stupid person in a pointless, stupid world. You sound depressed :-( FWIW, I don't strictly follow Atkins. I love meat, fish, eggs and cheese and eat as much of these as I please. I only eat vegetables or salad 4 days a week. I haven't counted calories, I drink alcohol freely (low carb beer and white wine), and I've dropped 13 kilos in as many weeks despite not exercising as much as I used to. I had stalled for the last two weeks and went camping/fishing for the 4 day Easter break with 6 kids in tow, all stuffing their faces with easter eggs and other goodies and having me drooling. Over those 4 days I must have eaten half a dozen mud crabs, a kilo of bacon, a kilo of cheese, 4 large T Bones and a dozen fried eggs.........and here's the rub........about a kilo of chocolate! I came back home weighed myself and hadn't gained or lost a pound but it must've broke the stall (for whatever reason) 'cause I've lost 4 kilos since Monday. A friend of mine had a similar experience when she "let herself go" at a party one day, and found that the following couple of days resulted in a dramatic loss. As I say, I don't follow any plan, but maybe there's literature somewhere that would explain this. I count myself lucky that it has come failry easy for me, and sympathise with those that struggle. Good luck kev In article , "JC Der Koenig" wrote: Changing tactics is better than giving up. -- "If I can't *count* the carbs, it can't be part of a low-carb diet." --- jpatti "Luna" wrote in message ... Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last weigh-in at Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back to what I was in January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156, with likewise minute fluctuations in measurements that are probably due to different people measuring me in slightly different ways. I've been working out 5 - 6 days a week, weight lifting 3x a week, cardio as a warm up on weight days, and more cardio on non-weight days. I'm pushing myself as hard as I can on the working out. I've been averaging around 1200 calories a day, about 30g of carbs a day. I'm NOT giving up on low-carb. I like eating this way, and at least I'm not gaining. I'm not giving up on exercise either, because I like it too. But I guess I need to give up on losing any more weight, because apparently this is where my body wants to be, and to tell you the truth I'd rather be at this weight forever than eat any less, because I'm already restricting myself enough so that it's a pain in the butt and I'm hungry most of the time. I've butched up about as much as I can. No, that's not true, I could eat less. I could force myself to eat one small salad a day and nothing else. But what's the point? Been there, done that, hated every minute of it way more than I hate being fat. I'm not saying I love to pig out more than I hate being fat, it's not about wanting to eat huge portions of stuff, it's about how I don't think I could stick with being hungry when I go to bed, hungry when I wake up, hungry all day long, stomach growling loud enough that other people can hear it, ****ed off because I've just eaten a hard boiled egg for lunch and I'm still hungry, for the rest of my life. I have always been skeptical about people who say they don't eat a lot and they do exercise but they can't lose weight, and now look at me, I've become what I ridiculed. Whatever. **** it. |
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"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
... snip Next, "a change is as good as a vacation." Something like a CKD or UD2 carb-up, or a high-calorie fat "fast", or even just a "food-up", might kick-start your metabolism again. Some folks have to carb-up regularly to keep their metabolism going, others just need to food-up. Funny, I just recommended the same thing via email. :P One thing about the carb up is that they tend to be more effective if you keep the fats VERY low and the kcal VERY high. Do one on a Wednesday and one on a Sunday at about 500 kcal above maintenance (which sounds like about 2000 kcal/day for the OP). Also, sugars should be kept to 10% or less of the total daily caloric intake, but simple high GI carbs are quite fine. Luna, you won't be hungry at 2500 kcal, promise -- Peace, Pen -- Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats! http://www.pawbreakers.com |
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Ok, fine, whatever, I give up
Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last weigh-in
at Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back to what I was in January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156, with likewise minute fluctuations in measurements that are probably due to different people measuring me in slightly different ways. I've been working out 5 - 6 days a week, weight lifting 3x a week, cardio as a warm up on weight days, and more cardio on non-weight days. I'm pushing myself as hard as I can on the working out. I've been averaging around 1200 calories a day, about 30g of carbs a day. Have you already tried going low-fat/high-carb/low-calorie for couple of days? And then down to induction? E.g. try to eat only veggies and fruits for two days. Despite all "eat less, exercise more" ideas (which are generally true), 1200 kcal is damned to close to metabolic slowdown threshold. Try to restart your metabolism. Other than that, you look great already. Maintaining at 156 would not be a shame for you Mirek |
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