Ok, fine, whatever, I give up

DigitalVinyl wrote:
Crafting Mom wrote:

Roger Zoul wrote:
I'm someone unlike a lot of people here. They report that they no
longer even enjoy the foods that made them fat.

A lot of foods I used to binge on and be completely hooked on have
now lost their appeal for me, yes. It helps that a lot of the foods
I used to go out of my way to get were (may I say this word?) crap,
and that the foods which are now part of my low-carb lifestyle are
for the most part, better quality and real ingredients.

[snip]

That may be true with respect to many supermarket products, such as the
boxed macaroni and cheese that Luna mentioned. But my homemade pasta will
never stop being as delicious and real a food as there ever was. Nor will
sweet spring fingerling potatoes, roasted in the pan right alongside a
chicken and sopping up all the delicious drippings from the meat. Nor will
fresh sourdough bread, which I never learned to make for myself but enjoyed
all the same from nearby bakeries. Nor will the bagels from Kupel's (or
from H&H, when I'm visiting back home).

The junk stays junk, and may lose its appeal as goals other than "must taste
sweet or crunchy or good NOW" take priority. But the real, excellent,
delicious, foods - that just happen to also be carby - will never lose their
appeal. I miss them sorely, and hope that someday I will be able to enjoy
them in moderation.

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carla wrote:

The junk stays junk, and may lose its appeal as goals other than "must taste
sweet or crunchy or good NOW" take priority. But the real, excellent,
delicious, foods - that just happen to also be carby - will never lose their
appeal. I miss them sorely, and hope that someday I will be able to enjoy
them in moderation.

Oh I hear you on the bit about potatoes. I'm starting to give this kind
of thing a try, by only having one *bite*, and savouring it with all
that is within me, and then having one of my standard low-carb meals.
A kind of a spin on the "Carbohydrate Addict's Diet" reward meal type of
deal, only less elaborate.

CM
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not necessarily work for every reader thereof.

Crafting Mom wrote:

A lot of foods I used to binge on and be completely hooked on have now
lost their appeal for me, yes. It helps that a lot of the foods I used
to go out of my way to get were (may I say this word?) crap, and that
the foods which are now part of my low-carb lifestyle are for the most
part, better quality and real ingredients.

I'm not completely off the hook though. There are some things which
still appeal to me and I have to really work, and enforce incredible
self-restraint to resist. However, the greater percentage of (may I say
this?) crap is quite easily and willingly gone from my life.

This pretty much sums it up for me. We had cut most of the crap out
even before I began low-carbing and got used to real food, which makes
the crap taste like crap.

Applying the same mindset to high-carb stuff works for me for most
things too. The pasta I don't crave includes *good* stuff, including
homemade pasta from freshly ground durum wheat. It's just not in the
category of "food for me" anymore, though it remaisn "food for the family".

Here, I feed chickens, cats, my family and myself. Food for the
chickens is not necessarily food for me. similarly, food for my fmaily
is not necessarily food for me, even when it's good food.

I have over a hundred pounds of real, organic rolled oats... utterly
yummy cooked up with some apples and maple syrup as a breakfast in the
past, and it just doesn't tempt me. I don't eat oatmeal, not even the
"good" kind. That's not "Jackie" food.

There's a lot of stuff like that in my house. Pounds and pounds of
brown rice, sacks of various types of legumes, the yummiest baked beans
you ever ate canned up and ready for nuking. Most of that just doesn't
bother me - it's food for the family, not for me.

The bread I am tempted by is *not* crap... it's from homeground wheat,
kneaded by hand, very low sugar content entirely from honey, etc. I
think part of the reason it remains such a big temptation is because
it's *not* crap. And boy was that 1/4 slice worth it last night, hot
from the oven with real butter melted all over it. It fit in my carb
allowance for the day, but I can so see how I could lose control with
that stuff. It's just so good.

But eating real food for so long, our standards have changed, both mine
and hubby's even though he's not low-carbing. I bought a loaf of fresh
Italian bread from a bakery for him recently, cause it was on sale; I
mention that I got him some junk food if he wants and he says, "You
know, for most of my life this wasn't junk food. But it is now." Yeah.
Our standards have changed, we don't have to go all the way "down" to
Twinkies for it to be junk food.

Though as noted in my previous post, there's still a couple items of
pure, unadulterated crap that I wouldn't want around as they'd be too
tempting. I don't know if they'd still tase good or not, but I'm kind
of afraid to find out.

Still, lots of things just aren't a problem anymore. And that's good as
I don't need to invest the psychic energy fighting temptation all damned
day.

Pork sirloin roast and broccoli with cheese sauce made from real cream
and real cheese, hamburger stirfried with cabbage and fresh ginger and
garlic and a bit of soy sauce, cream cheese and chive omelets... now
*that* is "Jackie food."

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DigitalVinyl wrote:

I think there is a psychology to that. I think we like/taste things
differently due to our mindset. RIght now, being very INTO the diet we
might feel one way when we taste something. Later on it might be
different. We have to remember how prevalent our mind is over
everything. Remember how kids taste things and they know they are
going to hate them by looking at them. It is a mental thing. People
say cigarettes taste good--right! We can convince ourselves of
absolutely anything.

I think if it's all a matter of mindset, then the right mindset is
really important.

For me, not liking pasta, which is the main food I got fat on, is a
wonderful thing since it doesn't tempt me.


Chocolate. Still an issue--though managed for now.

I was never real big on chocolate. If I ate anything I wanted, I only
ate chocolate maybe 5 or 6 times a year.

I was never big on sweets in general, it was starches that caused most
of the problem. Not much of a sweet tooth I guess.


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Crafting Mom wrote:

Oh I hear you on the bit about potatoes. I'm starting to give this kind
of thing a try, by only having one *bite*, and savouring it with all
that is within me, and then having one of my standard low-carb meals.
A kind of a spin on the "Carbohydrate Addict's Diet" reward meal type of
deal, only less elaborate.

Is that working for you?

It sorta scares me to think I'll someday be in maintenance and need to
eat small portions of the stuff I miss. My reaction to the bread
yesterday was *not* that a "taste" was enough, but that I wanted gobs of
it.

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Luna,

Try changing your exercise routine. Sometime our bodies expect a certain
level of exercise if we workout the same way all the time and weigh loss is
more difficult. Weight lifting is great, but muscle mass is more dense then
fat so the scale may not move as quickly as the tape measure. I have found
the weight comes off faster for me if I only sculpt once a week. I do want
is called cardio sculpt two to three days a week. This uses weights
alternating between upper and lower body movements to bring the heart rate
up, and short segments of pure cardio. I also just do pure cardio two days
a week and make sure these sessions are 45 min. to 60 min. long. Make sure
you drink a lot of water also. This seems to help me with weight loss also.

Keep of the good work.

Lori

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"Luna" wrote in message
...
Well, I _thought_ I'd broken my stall, but I went for my last weigh-in at
Curves today, and I was down a half pound. Which is back to what I was in
January. I go from 156 to 156.5 and back to 156, with likewise minute
fluctuations in measurements that are probably due to different people
measuring me in slightly different ways.

I've been working out 5 - 6 days a week, weight lifting 3x a week, cardio
as a warm up on weight days, and more cardio on non-weight days. I'm
pushing myself as hard as I can on the working out. I've been averaging
around 1200 calories a day, about 30g of carbs a day.

I'm NOT giving up on low-carb. I like eating this way, and at least I'm
not gaining. I'm not giving up on exercise either, because I like it too.
But I guess I need to give up on losing any more weight, because
apparently
this is where my body wants to be, and to tell you the truth I'd rather be
at this weight forever than eat any less, because I'm already restricting
myself enough so that it's a pain in the butt and I'm hungry most of the
time. I've butched up about as much as I can. No, that's not true, I
could eat less. I could force myself to eat one small salad a day and
nothing else. But what's the point? Been there, done that, hated every
minute of it way more than I hate being fat. I'm not saying I love to pig
out more than I hate being fat, it's not about wanting to eat huge
portions
of stuff, it's about how I don't think I could stick with being hungry
when
I go to bed, hungry when I wake up, hungry all day long, stomach growling
loud enough that other people can hear it, ****ed off because I've just
eaten a hard boiled egg for lunch and I'm still hungry, for the rest of my
life. I have always been skeptical about people who say they don't eat a
lot and they do exercise but they can't lose weight, and now look at me,
I've become what I ridiculed. Whatever. **** it.

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Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

That's the most ignorant piece of drivel I've read in a long time.

Thanks.

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"Lori Wilson" wrote in message
...
Luna,

Weight lifting is great, but muscle mass is more dense then
fat so the scale may not move as quickly as the tape measure. I have
found
the weight comes off faster for me if I only sculpt once a week. I do
want
is called cardio sculpt two to three days a week.

Hi,
"Lori Wilson" wrote in message
...

Weight lifting is great, but muscle mass is more dense then
fat so the scale may not move as quickly as the tape measure. I
have found the weight comes off faster for me if I only sculpt
once a week.
I do want is called cardio sculpt two to three days a week.

On 19-Apr-2004, "JC Der Koenig" wrote:

That's the most ignorant piece of drivel I've read in a long time.

Thanks.

No way d00d. Lori used the phrase "muscle mass is more dense then
(sic) fat" instead of the World of Fitness' Dumbest Phrase. (You know
the one - the one that drops the IQ of everyone within an 8 mile
radius whenever uttered). She ought to get at least a week's
obeisance on that. Maybe even a sig file in her honor.

Take care,
Carmen

"Carmen" wrote in message
. ..
Hi,
"Lori Wilson" wrote in message
...

Weight lifting is great, but muscle mass is more dense then
fat so the scale may not move as quickly as the tape measure. I
have found the weight comes off faster for me if I only sculpt
once a week.
I do want is called cardio sculpt two to three days a week.

On 19-Apr-2004, "JC Der Koenig" wrote:

That's the most ignorant piece of drivel I've read in a long time.

Thanks.

No way d00d. Lori used the phrase "muscle mass is more dense then
(sic) fat" instead of the World of Fitness' Dumbest Phrase. (You know
the one - the one that drops the IQ of everyone within an 8 mile
radius whenever uttered). She ought to get at least a week's
obeisance on that. Maybe even a sig file in her honor.


Naw.

She actually thinks (if you can call it thinking), that a female is going to
put on enough muscle mass in a few short days to make a difference in
overall weight. And how do you "sculpt" a muscle anyway?

Hi,
On 19-Apr-2004, "JC Der Koenig" wrote:

"Carmen" wrote in message
. ..
Hi,
"Lori Wilson" wrote in message
...

Weight lifting is great, but muscle mass is more dense then
fat so the scale may not move as quickly as the tape measure.
I have found the weight comes off faster for me if I only
sculpt
once a week. I do want is called cardio sculpt two to three
days a week.

On 19-Apr-2004, "JC Der Koenig" wrote:

That's the most ignorant piece of drivel I've read in a long
time.

Thanks.

No way d00d. Lori used the phrase "muscle mass is more dense then
(sic) fat" instead of the World of Fitness' Dumbest Phrase. (You
know the one - the one that drops the IQ of everyone within an 8
mile
radius whenever uttered). She ought to get at least a week's
obeisance on that. Maybe even a sig file in her honor.

Naw.

She actually thinks (if you can call it thinking), that a female is
going to put on enough muscle mass in a few short days to make a
difference
in overall weight. And how do you "sculpt" a muscle anyway?

Aargh! Is this going to turn into one of those god-awful threads from
MFW about what exercises hit what part of the pectoralis major?
Anyway, the first step is to get them lifting. That's the major
obstacle. Once that hurdle is crossed they'll probably see the light
concerning female bulking. We womenz are taught to be all delicate
and **** from Day 1 in many cases. You don't unlearn that in a day.
:-) Some days I *still* hear my mother telling me that this, that or
the other activity isn't ladylike in my mind. Ewww.

Take care,
Carmen