Zero points food

While there are certain things you MUST do they need not be done today. The
fact that you can drink water is such a blessing for you, drinking the water
and exercise were the two hardest things for me, I think you wouldn't get
much arguments from those of us in this group. We are always discussing the
pluses and minuses of WW, if you want to see that in action do a search for
activity points, there is always big discussion on that one, best of luck to
you, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"T. Lists" wrote in message
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Geoff,

I'm going to weigh in (Hah. I made a pun) here and give you my two
cents worth. Warning, it'll be long and rambly. I'm just in that
kind of mood today.

snip


Hi Tracy and thanks for writing all that out for me. I have read it all
and
taken it all in and the best thing you wrote was point number 5. You
summed
up nicely how I feel at the moment. I know people are trying to help but I
can't be expected to do it all at once, and when I'm bombarded with 'you
must do this' and 'you must do that', it kinda gets to me and actually
makes
me feel like giving up, because I just can't do it all. I found in a chat
room recently that was supposed to be about weight loss support, that the
people were on such high horses about it that all they did was complain at
me for not liking certain food and for feeling like I couldn't manage it.
They simply made me feel like not doing this at all.

I have already sorted out my water intake, but to be honest that's never
been a problem. I love ice cold water and always have, but I am making
more
of a point to drink a lot of it lately.

I agree with you that the most important thing is to stick to my points
and
worry about what I'm actually eating later. I never really intended to do
things "the WW way". I just think their points system is helpful because
it
gives me a target. I could always count calories or something else but I
know the points system is better. It's the target thing that is really
helpful for me. There are lots of things I don't agree with about WW but I
won't get into it in this group because I know I'll upset people and the
last thing I want or need is an argument.

Thanks again Tracy. I'll try and stick to this but of course it isn't
easy.
Geoff.

I totally understand, I was here writing for at least a year before I told
mine, Lee, who DOES understand
Geoff wrote in message
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"Miss Violette" wrote in message
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first tell us how much you actually do weigh so we can give you the
right
points, that is most important, and you will see that if you have been
reading here long at all, second you must decide what you are willing to
do
to lose, and WW limits no particular food category. Third, try Popcorn,
for
a low point filler, and last, welcome, Lee

Thanks for the welcome Lee. I don't want to tell you all my weight though.
Please understand.

Geoff.

I agree, seems like since I go to the meetings I should get the website for
free, Lee
Geoff wrote in message
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"frood" wrote in message
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I don't go to meetings, Geoff, if that's what you mean by joining up
properly. I did join the online version, and use their resources, but my
husband didn't. He journals in excel, and uses the points calculator I
got
through a link here in this ng, or I tell him the points.

Hi wendy. I'm doing a similar thing as your Husband, but I'm using my
Mother's knowledge and books and points calculator. I've written myself a
database that I enter my points into, and it works out various things such
as points to have each day of the remainer of the week if I go over one
day,
and stuff like that. I also have a list of food that I often eat and I
just
click on it and it adds the points to what I've had that day. So that's
actually really helping me. I'm actually quite annoyed with WW for
charging
my Mother to use their website as well as the normal WW membership!

I don't go to meetings because I'm not a people-person, not in groups,
anyway

Same here. I'm not very sociable at all but I do try to be. I have other
reasons for not going to meetings, especially in the summer, but most
people
wouldn't even begin to understand even if I explained.

This group offers me the support I need, and lets me ask questions, and
provides awesome inspiration. I'm glad to see new people here, like you,
Geoff. Best wishes to you on this new journey.

Thanks Wendy, nice to hear from you.
Geoff.

"Geoff" wrote in message
news
"JulieB" wrote in message
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Just a question (and I don't mean to sound snarky or mean, or anything,
just
curious), but how do you *know* you don't like something until you try
it?

Like you, I don't wish to be sarky or mean but just to help you
understand,
I'll ask this...How do you know you don't like dirt from your garden? You
don't really know and I don't really know about some vegetables. I do
accept
that I need to try some though, and I will work towards that someday. At
the
moment though I'm struggling enough with other aspects of losing weight
and
also other things going on in my life at the moment.

Not to be snarky, but I know I don't like dirt because I've accidentally
eaten a bit here and there (when I wasn't careful enough cleaning veggies
from the farmers' market). So, yeah, I really do know I don't like dirt.

The thing is I know several people who were absolutely convinced they didn't
like certain vegetables until they tried them. Case in point, a BIL and
SIL. They came to a potluck dinner we had and ended up seated next to the
woman who brought the spinach salad. They felt that for politeness's sake
they needed to eat a small portion. Then they had larger portions. Then my
SIL asked for the recipe.

Turned out they'd never actually had raw spinach before, but they were sure
they wouldn't like it.

Do you like pizza? If so, try just some pizza sauce, maybe spread on a
piece of high-fiber bread. Yes, there are points in the bread, but it's a
place to start. (And puh-leeze don't give me the bit about how the cheese
is the best part of the pizza. You're not eating pizza here, you're finding
a vegetable to be your jumping off point for others.) Or make some brown
rice (use no fat in cooking it) and try some pizza sauce with that.

Do you like spaghetti with marinara sauce? If so, try a small dish of just
the sauce. Or lightly cook some zucchini (help needed here -- I can't
remember what Right Pondians call zucchini) and douse it with low-fat
marinara sauce.

Make it your goal to try one new vegetable each week. If you have farmers'
market near you, try finding some new ones there -- and the people will give
you tips on cooking the vegetable. Cruise the frozen veggie section in your
market. Buy a bottle of fat-free salad dressing and try some veggies doused
with it. Or just splash the veggies with balsamic vinegar and add some salt
and pepper.

Anny

"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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Or lightly cook some zucchini (help needed here -- I can't
remember what Right Pondians call zucchini)

It is called courgettes here, and the large ones are marrows I believe.
--
Nathalie from Belgium
134.1/95/minigoal 94.1/ Goal 68 Kg
295.6/209.5/minigoal 207.5/Goal 150 pounds
WNM: 216.3/209.5/203 lbs
98.1/95/92 kg

Sweetheart.........I hate to be the one to break the news to you BUT,
potatoes are not a vegie they are a carb along with corn and peas they are
also condidered carb/bread group. And to be eaten sparingly.
I know it sucks: )



"Geoff" wrote in message
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Hi everyone,

I don't belong to Weight Watchers but my Mother does so I've got a lot of
information from her.

2 weeks ago I started counting my points and I keep a log of it all on my
own database. For my first 2 weeks my week total has been higher than my
target, but considering the way I used to eat I think I'm actually don't
quite well. Also, the daily target I've chosen is for someone weighing
less
than me, but it's the maximum that's mentioned on the chart in the WW
Handbook (which stupidly doesn't give daily points for people who are
anything more than just a bit fat!).

My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any
food
that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am
and I can't do anything about it. The main problem is that I don't like
vegetables. The only sort of vegetables I can eat without feeling like I
want to be sick is potatoes (if they are a vegetables? I think they're
supposed to be).

I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher
points.
The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something
I
can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The problem I have is that I
need to eat SOMEthing, and if I feel like giving up (like I do right now)
I
need to eat a lot of it. I don't know of any zero points food that I
actually like (or can even put up with). The best I sometimes do when I
really need to eat, is to munch on Rivetas with yeast extract. Yeast
Extract
is zero points but Rivetas are still 0.5 points each. They taste like
saw-dust but I don't mind them and it's something to put in my mouth and
take the desperate starving feeling partially away.

Has anyone got any ideas what I could munch on please that's either zero
points of close to it, that isn't vegetables?

Thanks,
Geoff.

"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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Not to be snarky, but I know I don't like dirt because I've accidentally
eaten a bit here and there (when I wasn't careful enough cleaning veggies
from the farmers' market). So, yeah, I really do know I don't like dirt.

The thing is I know several people who were absolutely convinced they
didn't
like certain vegetables until they tried them. Case in point, a BIL and
SIL. They came to a potluck dinner we had and ended up seated next to the
woman who brought the spinach salad. They felt that for politeness's sake
they needed to eat a small portion. Then they had larger portions. Then
my
SIL asked for the recipe.

Turned out they'd never actually had raw spinach before, but they were
sure
they wouldn't like it.

Do you like pizza? If so, try just some pizza sauce, maybe spread on a
piece of high-fiber bread. Yes, there are points in the bread, but it's a
place to start. (And puh-leeze don't give me the bit about how the cheese
is the best part of the pizza. You're not eating pizza here, you're
finding
a vegetable to be your jumping off point for others.) Or make some brown
rice (use no fat in cooking it) and try some pizza sauce with that.

Do you like spaghetti with marinara sauce? If so, try a small dish of
just
the sauce. Or lightly cook some zucchini (help needed here -- I can't
remember what Right Pondians call zucchini) and douse it with low-fat
marinara sauce.

Make it your goal to try one new vegetable each week. If you have
farmers'
market near you, try finding some new ones there -- and the people will
give
you tips on cooking the vegetable. Cruise the frozen veggie section in
your
market. Buy a bottle of fat-free salad dressing and try some veggies
doused
with it. Or just splash the veggies with balsamic vinegar and add some
salt
and pepper.


Hi Anny. I just can't do all the things you suggest. I can't try a new
veggie per week when at the moment I don't even want to eat one veggie and I
am managing to stick to my points without eating them. I know I should eat
them but if I can possibly put it off, I will. I'm under enough stress as it
is with the diet and related things, but to feel like I HAVE to eat veggies
too really isn't helping. Also, I don't like other things you mentioned such
as the pizza sauce (hence I never eat pizza), salsa, marinara sauce, and
just about everything else you mentioned! I am extreemely fussy with food. I
accept I may have to force myself to change that but now isn't the time. I
need to sort my weight out a bit first and try to feel happier with myself
and life in general, and then maybe I'll try these foods. I just don't need
to now though so why put myself through it?

Geoff.

Hey Geoff,

I was wondering : maybe if you could tell us what you really like, or maybe
give us an idea of how a day's menu looks like for you, we could able to
give you some suggestions ?
--
Nathalie from Belgium
134.1/95/minigoal 94.1/ Goal 68 Kg
295.6/209.5/minigoal 207.5/Goal 150 pounds
WNM: 216.3/209.5/203 lbs
98.1/95/92 kg
"Geoff" wrote in message
news
"Anny Middon" wrote in message
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Not to be snarky, but I know I don't like dirt because I've accidentally
eaten a bit here and there (when I wasn't careful enough cleaning
veggies
from the farmers' market). So, yeah, I really do know I don't like
dirt.

The thing is I know several people who were absolutely convinced they
didn't
like certain vegetables until they tried them. Case in point, a BIL and
SIL. They came to a potluck dinner we had and ended up seated next to
the
woman who brought the spinach salad. They felt that for politeness's
sake
they needed to eat a small portion. Then they had larger portions.
Then
my
SIL asked for the recipe.

Turned out they'd never actually had raw spinach before, but they were
sure
they wouldn't like it.

Do you like pizza? If so, try just some pizza sauce, maybe spread on a
piece of high-fiber bread. Yes, there are points in the bread, but it's
a
place to start. (And puh-leeze don't give me the bit about how the
cheese
is the best part of the pizza. You're not eating pizza here, you're
finding
a vegetable to be your jumping off point for others.) Or make some
brown
rice (use no fat in cooking it) and try some pizza sauce with that.

Do you like spaghetti with marinara sauce? If so, try a small dish of
just
the sauce. Or lightly cook some zucchini (help needed here -- I can't
remember what Right Pondians call zucchini) and douse it with low-fat
marinara sauce.

Make it your goal to try one new vegetable each week. If you have
farmers'
market near you, try finding some new ones there -- and the people will
give
you tips on cooking the vegetable. Cruise the frozen veggie section in
your
market. Buy a bottle of fat-free salad dressing and try some veggies
doused
with it. Or just splash the veggies with balsamic vinegar and add some
salt
and pepper.


Hi Anny. I just can't do all the things you suggest. I can't try a new
veggie per week when at the moment I don't even want to eat one veggie and
I
am managing to stick to my points without eating them. I know I should eat
them but if I can possibly put it off, I will. I'm under enough stress as
it
is with the diet and related things, but to feel like I HAVE to eat
veggies
too really isn't helping. Also, I don't like other things you mentioned
such
as the pizza sauce (hence I never eat pizza), salsa, marinara sauce, and
just about everything else you mentioned! I am extreemely fussy with food.
I
accept I may have to force myself to change that but now isn't the time. I
need to sort my weight out a bit first and try to feel happier with myself
and life in general, and then maybe I'll try these foods. I just don't
need
to now though so why put myself through it?

Geoff.

"Geoff" wrote in message ...
"Michelle Guy" wrote in message
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Geoff you are doing well to make the commitment. It is frightening
when so many people have advice and keep telling you what to do. You
know your body best of all so you are the expert when it comes to YOU!
Keep up the good work you will get there in the end with or without
the vegetables :-)
Michelle : Ozzie in Switzerland
69.8/59.6/61kg


Thanks Michelle, that's quite encouraging to read. I do agree with people
about the vegetables but I just don't know if I can do it or not, and I'd
like to feel that IF I can't, that I'll still manage to sort my weight out.
If I feel like there is no chance for me UNLESS I eat loads of vegetables,
then to be honest I think I just won't carry on. It's not that I don't think
I'll ever be able to eat them, but right now, I can't and as it's "one day
at a time", the 'right now' is all that matters to me this moment.

Thanks for writing Michelle.
Geoff.

Geoff

I feel your pain!

I don't eat any vegetables other than potatoes, so WW has been a
challenge for me too! I'm a bloke too, and I think it might be an
"english guy" thing :-) I have lost 8 stone though, so don't think
us carnivores can't follow WW, it just requires a little more thought
(and you have to read more WW cookbooks!)

I used to be a paying member of WW online, but I never went to the
groups (not my scene, and the hours I work prohibited them anyway).
Now I only use WW to record points, and the freeware palmtop software
and database is enough for me, so it doesn't seem worth paying for
stuff I don't use.

My wife is a paying member, so I could use her little books if I
needed to, but to be honest I've been recording my points for years
now and I know what I eat, so there's not really much I need to look
up anyway!

I've found the easiest way to maintain the points is go the gym - not
fun at first (10mins on a treadmill had me coughing up a lung), but
after a few months you really get into it (honest!), and its an easy
way to add a free 10 points or more to your day! Now I go for 90mins,
4 or 5 times a week.

I did find one vegetable concoction worth eating though - 0 point
soup. Although I don't like vegetables, I don't mind tomato soup. My
wife makes this 0 point soup with all sorts of hideous vegetables
(leeks, onions, etc) but uses enough tomatoes to make it taste just
like normal tomato soup. Filling up on this is ideal, and its a
sneaky way of my wife getting me to eat vegetables.

Also sugar free jelly isn't *that* bad, but my stock snack is
mullerlight yoghurts at 1.5 points each and Strawberry Sun Lollies at
0.5 points a pop. (UK points btw to any americans reading!).

Weigh****hcers for Heinz do some good low point ready meals (BBQ
Chicken at 4.5 points, sausage and mash, macaroni cheese, etc). I
find Sainsbury's has a better stock than Tesco's or Safeways here...

Good to hear another British meat eater doing WW though!

Good luck

Shaun

"Nathalie W" wrote in message
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Hey Geoff,

I was wondering : maybe if you could tell us what you really like, or
maybe
give us an idea of how a day's menu looks like for you, we could able to
give you some suggestions ?


Hi Nathalie. Well what I used to eat is terrible things like burgers, chips,
bread, cakes, biscuits (cookies if you're American), etc. All just bad
things like that. I do love chicken though so that's a good thing. Please
don't tell me that the things I mentioned are bad because I know all that
already.

If I told you what I ate daily at the moment everyone would have a good
laugh and lecture me on how I must change it! I know all the things that are
bad for me and what is good for me. My original post was just for
suggestions on zero points food in the hope that someone would suggest
something I wouldn't mind eating.

The way I see it now is that I hardly like anything, but at least I am
trying my best to lose weight by eating the same old stuff every day. I
don't like veggies or sauces or anything that people are suggesting. There
have been a few suggestions I will try but nothing that involves veggies.
It's all very well for people to critisise me for that but please try to
understand that a lot of what people are writing is actually putting me off
bothering because I'm made to feel like I HAVE to eat certain things. At my
stage on life (I'm 35) and at my weight, if I don't do something about it
then I'll probably die before too long. That is the facts of it and I'm not
going to pretend otherwise. So, I am doing the only thing I can in order to
lose the weight. I cannot force myself to like food that has previously made
me feel sick. So many posts here, even though I've said that I can't eat
vegetables, suggest all these various vegetables I should eat. Well I just
can't! Yes maybe one day I could, but right now I cannot do it. If I could
not find anything else to eat that would help me lose weight then fair
enough, I would be forced to try more things, but I am managing on the plain
boring stuff day after day. I am sticking to my points very well (although
not perfectly) and have done so for 3 weeks now. That is not much short of a
miracle going by my previous diet attempts. I do not feel like I am able to
try new things. I want to but I can't bring myself to do it and the more
pressure I receive, the worse I feel because it just makes me angry that
people don't try to understand me better.

Please believe me Nathalie-There is nothing you could suggest I eat that I
would like. I was hoping at first somebody would know of the sort of food I
like that I could munch on when I really feel hungry, but I realise now that
such food doesn't exist. The best thing that helps me is water with ice
cubes because I like the water, it's good for me, plus I can munch on the
ice cubes when the water has all gone.

Geoff.