new WW program

I don't think its enough structure for me, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
...
Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was wondering
if I was
the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not sure
what to
make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not be
safe eating
pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count foods only
in 1
cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure out
how the
heck you are to lose weight following this ww program.

Read on .... what do you think?

Joyce

On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme" wrote:

This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com):


"There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the new
option is
called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to journal
or track
points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same 5
fruits
and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings, and
still the
same vitamins.

The foods in the Core Program a

Whole wheat pasta
brown rice
no sugar added cereals
soups (non creamy)
You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that
are NOT on
the Core Program list.
The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific
food on the
No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in doubt,
leave it
out. NO EXCEPTIONS!

This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step
outside the
No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points
Allowance (at its
full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar
cheese is a
No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a
POINTS value
of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make. A
cup of
chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8.

When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count
Food, all foods
on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on
the List. If
any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within
your
Flex Points Allowance.

Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal
Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat.

Beef
Bottom and top round roast
Bottom and top sirloin steak
Eye round roast
Flank steak
Organ meats
Round steak
Round tip steak and roast
Sirloin steak
T-bone steak
Tenderloin roast and steak
Top loin steak
Top sirloin roast
Ground Meat
Any type, 7% fat or less
Lamb
Leg roast
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Pork
Canadian-style bacon
Ham
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Sirloin cutlet
Tenderloin roast
Veal
Cutlet
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Round steak
Sirloin steak
Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey
Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before
eating.
Chicken
Fresh, frozen, or canned
Ground poultry
Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean
Turkey
Fresh, frozen, or canned

Fish and Shellfish
Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice (not
oil).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety
Meat Substitutes
Dried beans and lentils
Tofu, any type
Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen
Eggs and Dairy Products

Egg and Egg Substitutes
Egg, whole
Egg substitutes
Egg whites

Dairy Products
For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving milk
product.

Cheese, fat-free
Coffee creamers, fat-free
Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat
Cream cheese, fat-free
Dairy shake, reduced calorie*
Milk, fat-free or 1%
Pudding, fat-and sugar free*
Sour cream, fat-free
Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened flavored*
Weight Watchers Smoothies
Diary Substitutes
Soy cheese, fat-free
Soy milk, fat-free
Soy yogurt, plain

Grains, Cereals, and Starches
Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a
wholegrain food.

Grains
Barley
Buckwheat
Bulgur
Cornmeal (polenta)
Couscous (semolina)
Kasha
Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn
Quinoa
Rolled oats
Rye

Cereals
Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be eaten
with milk
or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day.

Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety
Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety

Starches
Macaroni, any type
Noodles, egg
Pasta, any type
Rice, any type
Spaghetti, any type
Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn)

Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups




Fruit
Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and drained
before
eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened
applesauce is
not).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not
allowed)

Vegetables
Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count
Food List
(e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce,
dried tomatoes
packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed).

Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and
sweet potatoes;
dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note:
Vegetable
juices are not allowed)

Soups
Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with
NoCount Foods.

Bean soup
Bouillon
Broth-based soup
Tomato soup

Beverages, Fats, and Condiments

Beverages
Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed.

Club soda
Coffee, black, without sugar
Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free
Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened
Soft drink, diet
Tea, without sugar
Water or mineral water

Fats
Margarine, fat-free
Mayonnaise, fat-free
Salad dressings, fat-free

Condiments
Baking powder
Baking soda
Capers
Cocktail sauce
Extracts
Flavorings
Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored)
Herbs
Hot sauce (pepper sauce)
Ketchup
Lemon juice
Mustard
Nonstick cooking or baking spray
Soy sauce (shoyu)
Spices
Steak sauce
Sugar substitutes
Taco sauce
Teriyaki sauce
Vinegar
Worcestershire sauce

Lesanne wrote:
If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute after I
get
it.

--
Les
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole
Xmas)

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce wrote:

Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you
with the
gift
wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to try?
Books?
Now my
curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted.

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred

wrote:

At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With
something
like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper.

So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options but
that
points would still be alive. We shall see.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce wrote:

I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does scare
me a
bit, at least
for me. I like the more common sense approach of the current ww
...
anything
allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever* would
not be a
good thing
for me. It would have to have limits as to what food
types/items you
could do
this with, which would lead me to think that it would be more
restrictive ...
which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine.
Then
what?

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred

wrote:

I guess we will know in a couple of weeks.

I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really want it
simple
and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also may
be a bit
of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only
picked up a
snippet or two and nothing very concrete.

May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also used
uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like
that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not liking
the
sound of
this at all, but I think it might have its applications, from
what I
am
hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you
wanted to
keep
control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee, hater
of
change
Joyce wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program
going to be
similar to a
low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the
current
craze?
Hopefully
I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm interested
in
anyway. I
don't
believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems like a
rather
loose
term ...
not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still
calories
...eat more
than
spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give us a
choice
to use
the old
points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm
probably
always
going to
complain. LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred

wrote:

Perusing around.....

Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified
name????

The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from which
you
choose
items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather no
counting or
journaling or something like that but the info seemed very
vague.
I'm
sure that I will stick with the older program - the one
before
FLEX.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer"
wrote:

I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet. When
they
went to
flex
points, the details were all over the internet weeks
before its
release
date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new stuff
when
the flex
points came out.

I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines
and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a
ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what
you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant
in me coming out.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way
where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page.
The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing
them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first
journal
that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and
getting
a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so
I
will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to
go
back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work
like
money and I am anal about my finances.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I
think
it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week.

One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the
OLD
journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current
tracker. That will make a lot of people happy.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was
wondering
if I was
the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not
sure
what to
make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not
be
safe eating
pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count
foods
only
in 1
cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure
out
how the
heck you are to lose weight following this ww program.

Read on .... what do you think?

Joyce

On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme"
wrote:

This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com):


"There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the
new
option is
called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to
journal
or track
points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same
5
fruits
and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings,
and
still the
same vitamins.

The foods in the Core Program a

Whole wheat pasta
brown rice
no sugar added cereals
soups (non creamy)
You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that
are NOT on
the Core Program list.
The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific
food on the
No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in
doubt,
leave it
out. NO EXCEPTIONS!

This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step
outside the
No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points
Allowance (at its
full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar
cheese is a
No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a
POINTS value
of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make.
A
cup of
chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8.

When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count
Food, all foods
on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on
the List. If
any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within
your
Flex Points Allowance.

Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal
Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat.

Beef
Bottom and top round roast
Bottom and top sirloin steak
Eye round roast
Flank steak
Organ meats
Round steak
Round tip steak and roast
Sirloin steak
T-bone steak
Tenderloin roast and steak
Top loin steak
Top sirloin roast
Ground Meat
Any type, 7% fat or less
Lamb
Leg roast
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Pork
Canadian-style bacon
Ham
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Sirloin cutlet
Tenderloin roast
Veal
Cutlet
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Round steak
Sirloin steak
Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey
Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before
eating.
Chicken
Fresh, frozen, or canned
Ground poultry
Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean
Turkey
Fresh, frozen, or canned

Fish and Shellfish
Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice
(not
oil).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety
Meat Substitutes
Dried beans and lentils
Tofu, any type
Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen
Eggs and Dairy Products

Egg and Egg Substitutes
Egg, whole
Egg substitutes
Egg whites

Dairy Products
For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving
milk
product.

Cheese, fat-free
Coffee creamers, fat-free
Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat
Cream cheese, fat-free
Dairy shake, reduced calorie*
Milk, fat-free or 1%
Pudding, fat-and sugar free*
Sour cream, fat-free
Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened
flavored*
Weight Watchers Smoothies
Diary Substitutes
Soy cheese, fat-free
Soy milk, fat-free
Soy yogurt, plain

Grains, Cereals, and Starches
Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a
wholegrain food.

Grains
Barley
Buckwheat
Bulgur
Cornmeal (polenta)
Couscous (semolina)
Kasha
Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn
Quinoa
Rolled oats
Rye

Cereals
Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be
eaten
with milk
or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day.

Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety
Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety

Starches
Macaroni, any type
Noodles, egg
Pasta, any type
Rice, any type
Spaghetti, any type
Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn)

Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups




Fruit
Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and
drained
before
eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened
applesauce is
not).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not
allowed)

Vegetables
Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count
Food List
(e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce,
dried tomatoes
packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed).

Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and
sweet potatoes;
dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note:
Vegetable
juices are not allowed)

Soups
Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with
NoCount Foods.

Bean soup
Bouillon
Broth-based soup
Tomato soup

Beverages, Fats, and Condiments

Beverages
Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed.

Club soda
Coffee, black, without sugar
Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free
Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened
Soft drink, diet
Tea, without sugar
Water or mineral water

Fats
Margarine, fat-free
Mayonnaise, fat-free
Salad dressings, fat-free

Condiments
Baking powder
Baking soda
Capers
Cocktail sauce
Extracts
Flavorings
Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored)
Herbs
Hot sauce (pepper sauce)
Ketchup
Lemon juice
Mustard
Nonstick cooking or baking spray
Soy sauce (shoyu)
Spices
Steak sauce
Sugar substitutes
Taco sauce
Teriyaki sauce
Vinegar
Worcestershire sauce

Lesanne wrote:
If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute
after
I
get
it.

--
Les
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole
Xmas)

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you
with the
gift
wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to
try?
Books?
Now my
curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted.

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred

wrote:

At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With
something
like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper.

So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options
but
that
points would still be alive. We shall see.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does
scare
me a
bit, at least
for me. I like the more common sense approach of the
current
ww
...
anything
allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever*
would
not be a
good thing
for me. It would have to have limits as to what food
types/items you
could do
this with, which would lead me to think that it would be
more
restrictive ...
which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine.
Then
what?

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred

wrote:

I guess we will know in a couple of weeks.

I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really
want
it
simple
and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also
may
be a bit
of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only
picked up a
snippet or two and nothing very concrete.

May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also
used
uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like
that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not
liking
the
sound of
this at all, but I think it might have its applications,
from
what I
am
hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you
wanted to
keep
control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee,
hater
of
change
Joyce wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program
going to be
similar to a
low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the
current
craze?
Hopefully
I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm
interested
in
anyway. I
don't
believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems
like
a
rather
loose
term ...
not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still
calories
...eat more
than
spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give
us
a
choice
to use
the old
points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm
probably
always
going to
complain. LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred

wrote:

Perusing around.....

Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified
name????

The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from
which
you
choose
items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather
no
counting or
journaling or something like that but the info seemed
very
vague.
I'm
sure that I will stick with the older program - the one
before
FLEX.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer"
wrote:

I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet.
When
they
went to
flex
points, the details were all over the internet weeks
before its
release
date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new
stuff
when
the flex
points came out.

I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the lines
and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a
ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what
you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the accountant
in me coming out.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way
where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one page.
The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without writing
them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first
journal
that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and
getting
a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan, so
I
will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to
go
back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work
like
money and I am anal about my finances.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I
think
it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week.

One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to the
OLD
journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the current
tracker. That will make a lot of people happy.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was
wondering
if I was
the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not
sure
what to
make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will not
be
safe eating
pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count
foods
only
in 1
cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to figure
out
how the
heck you are to lose weight following this ww program.

Read on .... what do you think?

Joyce

On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme"
wrote:

This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com):


"There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the
new
option is
called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to
journal
or track
points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the same
5
fruits
and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings,
and
still the
same vitamins.

The foods in the Core Program a

Whole wheat pasta
brown rice
no sugar added cereals
soups (non creamy)
You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods that
are NOT on
the Core Program list.
The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a specific
food on the
No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in
doubt,
leave it
out. NO EXCEPTIONS!

This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step
outside the
No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points
Allowance (at its
full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar
cheese is a
No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries a
POINTS value
of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you make.
A
cup of
chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8.

When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count
Food, all foods
on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods on
the List. If
any other food is used, the entire product should be counted within
your
Flex Points Allowance.

Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal
Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat.

Beef
Bottom and top round roast
Bottom and top sirloin steak
Eye round roast
Flank steak
Organ meats
Round steak
Round tip steak and roast
Sirloin steak
T-bone steak
Tenderloin roast and steak
Top loin steak
Top sirloin roast
Ground Meat
Any type, 7% fat or less
Lamb
Leg roast
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Pork
Canadian-style bacon
Ham
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Sirloin cutlet
Tenderloin roast
Veal
Cutlet
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Round steak
Sirloin steak
Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey
Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before
eating.
Chicken
Fresh, frozen, or canned
Ground poultry
Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean
Turkey
Fresh, frozen, or canned

Fish and Shellfish
Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice
(not
oil).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety
Meat Substitutes
Dried beans and lentils
Tofu, any type
Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen
Eggs and Dairy Products

Egg and Egg Substitutes
Egg, whole
Egg substitutes
Egg whites

Dairy Products
For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving
milk
product.

Cheese, fat-free
Coffee creamers, fat-free
Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat
Cream cheese, fat-free
Dairy shake, reduced calorie*
Milk, fat-free or 1%
Pudding, fat-and sugar free*
Sour cream, fat-free
Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened
flavored*
Weight Watchers Smoothies
Diary Substitutes
Soy cheese, fat-free
Soy milk, fat-free
Soy yogurt, plain

Grains, Cereals, and Starches
Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a
wholegrain food.

Grains
Barley
Buckwheat
Bulgur
Cornmeal (polenta)
Couscous (semolina)
Kasha
Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn
Quinoa
Rolled oats
Rye

Cereals
Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be
eaten
with milk
or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day.

Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety
Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety

Starches
Macaroni, any type
Noodles, egg
Pasta, any type
Rice, any type
Spaghetti, any type
Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn)

Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups




Fruit
Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and
drained
before
eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened
applesauce is
not).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not
allowed)

Vegetables
Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No Count
Food List
(e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce,
dried tomatoes
packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed).

Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and
sweet potatoes;
dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce (Note:
Vegetable
juices are not allowed)

Soups
Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with
NoCount Foods.

Bean soup
Bouillon
Broth-based soup
Tomato soup

Beverages, Fats, and Condiments

Beverages
Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed.

Club soda
Coffee, black, without sugar
Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free
Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened
Soft drink, diet
Tea, without sugar
Water or mineral water

Fats
Margarine, fat-free
Mayonnaise, fat-free
Salad dressings, fat-free

Condiments
Baking powder
Baking soda
Capers
Cocktail sauce
Extracts
Flavorings
Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored)
Herbs
Hot sauce (pepper sauce)
Ketchup
Lemon juice
Mustard
Nonstick cooking or baking spray
Soy sauce (shoyu)
Spices
Steak sauce
Sugar substitutes
Taco sauce
Teriyaki sauce
Vinegar
Worcestershire sauce

Lesanne wrote:
If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute
after
I
get
it.

--
Les
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who stole
Xmas)

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice you
with the
gift
wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to
try?
Books?
Now my
curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted.

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred

wrote:

At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages. With
something
like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper.

So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more options
but
that
points would still be alive. We shall see.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does
scare
me a
bit, at least
for me. I like the more common sense approach of the
current
ww
...
anything
allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever*
would
not be a
good thing
for me. It would have to have limits as to what food
types/items you
could do
this with, which would lead me to think that it would be
more
restrictive ...
which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done* routine.
Then
what?

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred

wrote:

I guess we will know in a couple of weeks.

I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really
want
it
simple
and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also
may
be a bit
of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have only
picked up a
snippet or two and nothing very concrete.

May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and also
used
uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text like
that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not
liking
the
sound of
this at all, but I think it might have its applications,
from
what I
am
hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where you
wanted to
keep
control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee,
hater
of
change
Joyce wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?) program
going to be
similar to a
low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on the
current
craze?
Hopefully
I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm
interested
in
anyway. I
don't
believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems
like
a
rather
loose
term ...
not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still
calories
...eat more
than
spent and weight will increase. I wish they would give
us
a
choice
to use
the old
points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm
probably
always
going to
complain. LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred

wrote:

Perusing around.....

Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a modified
name????

The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from
which
you
choose
items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I gather
no
counting or
journaling or something like that but the info seemed
very
vague.
I'm
sure that I will stick with the older program - the one
before
FLEX.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer"
wrote:

I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet.
When
they
went to
flex
points, the details were all over the internet weeks
before its
release
date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new
stuff
when
the flex
points came out.

I'm a bookkeeper so I know what you mean. The part I didnot like is the way
they handled the flex points.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the
lines
and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a
ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what
you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the
accountant
in me coming out.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way
where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one
page.
The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without
writing
them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
...
It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first
journal
that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and
getting
a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan,
so
I
will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to
go
back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work
like
money and I am anal about my finances.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I
think
it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week.

One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to
the
OLD
journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the
current
tracker. That will make a lot of people happy.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was
wondering
if I was
the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not
sure
what to
make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will
not
be
safe eating
pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count
foods
only
in 1
cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to
figure
out
how the
heck you are to lose weight following this ww program.

Read on .... what do you think?

Joyce

On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme"
wrote:

This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com):


"There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the
new
option is
called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to
journal
or track
points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the
same
5
fruits
and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings,
and
still the
same vitamins.

The foods in the Core Program a

Whole wheat pasta
brown rice
no sugar added cereals
soups (non creamy)
You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods
that
are NOT on
the Core Program list.
The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a
specific
food on the
No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in
doubt,
leave it
out. NO EXCEPTIONS!

This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step
outside the
No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points
Allowance (at its
full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar
cheese is a
No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries
a
POINTS value
of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you
make.
A
cup of
chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8.

When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count
Food, all foods
on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods
on
the List. If
any other food is used, the entire product should be counted
within
your
Flex Points Allowance.

Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal
Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat.

Beef
Bottom and top round roast
Bottom and top sirloin steak
Eye round roast
Flank steak
Organ meats
Round steak
Round tip steak and roast
Sirloin steak
T-bone steak
Tenderloin roast and steak
Top loin steak
Top sirloin roast
Ground Meat
Any type, 7% fat or less
Lamb
Leg roast
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Pork
Canadian-style bacon
Ham
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Sirloin cutlet
Tenderloin roast
Veal
Cutlet
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Round steak
Sirloin steak
Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey
Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before
eating.
Chicken
Fresh, frozen, or canned
Ground poultry
Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean
Turkey
Fresh, frozen, or canned

Fish and Shellfish
Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice
(not
oil).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety
Meat Substitutes
Dried beans and lentils
Tofu, any type
Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen
Eggs and Dairy Products

Egg and Egg Substitutes
Egg, whole
Egg substitutes
Egg whites

Dairy Products
For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving
milk
product.

Cheese, fat-free
Coffee creamers, fat-free
Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat
Cream cheese, fat-free
Dairy shake, reduced calorie*
Milk, fat-free or 1%
Pudding, fat-and sugar free*
Sour cream, fat-free
Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened
flavored*
Weight Watchers Smoothies
Diary Substitutes
Soy cheese, fat-free
Soy milk, fat-free
Soy yogurt, plain

Grains, Cereals, and Starches
Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a
wholegrain food.

Grains
Barley
Buckwheat
Bulgur
Cornmeal (polenta)
Couscous (semolina)
Kasha
Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn
Quinoa
Rolled oats
Rye

Cereals
Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be
eaten
with milk
or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day.

Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety
Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety

Starches
Macaroni, any type
Noodles, egg
Pasta, any type
Rice, any type
Spaghetti, any type
Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn)

Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups




Fruit
Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and
drained
before
eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened
applesauce is
not).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not
allowed)

Vegetables
Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No
Count
Food List
(e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce,
dried tomatoes
packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed).

Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and
sweet potatoes;
dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce
(Note:
Vegetable
juices are not allowed)

Soups
Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with
NoCount Foods.

Bean soup
Bouillon
Broth-based soup
Tomato soup

Beverages, Fats, and Condiments

Beverages
Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed.

Club soda
Coffee, black, without sugar
Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free
Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened
Soft drink, diet
Tea, without sugar
Water or mineral water

Fats
Margarine, fat-free
Mayonnaise, fat-free
Salad dressings, fat-free

Condiments
Baking powder
Baking soda
Capers
Cocktail sauce
Extracts
Flavorings
Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored)
Herbs
Hot sauce (pepper sauce)
Ketchup
Lemon juice
Mustard
Nonstick cooking or baking spray
Soy sauce (shoyu)
Spices
Steak sauce
Sugar substitutes
Taco sauce
Teriyaki sauce
Vinegar
Worcestershire sauce

Lesanne wrote:
If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute
after
I
get
it.

--
Les
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who
stole
Xmas)

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice
you
with the
gift
wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to
try?
Books?
Now my
curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted.

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred

wrote:

At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages.
With
something
like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper.

So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more
options
but
that
points would still be alive. We shall see.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does
scare
me a
bit, at least
for me. I like the more common sense approach of the
current
ww
...
anything
allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever*
would
not be a
good thing
for me. It would have to have limits as to what food
types/items you
could do
this with, which would lead me to think that it would be
more
restrictive ...
which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done*
routine.
Then
what?

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred

wrote:

I guess we will know in a couple of weeks.

I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really
want
it
simple
and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also
may
be a bit
of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have
only
picked up a
snippet or two and nothing very concrete.

May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and
also
used
uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text
like
that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not
liking
the
sound of
this at all, but I think it might have its applications,
from
what I
am
hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where
you
wanted to
keep
control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee,
hater
of
change
Joyce wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?)
program
going to be
similar to a
low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on
the
current
craze?
Hopefully
I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm
interested
in
anyway. I
don't
believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems
like
a
rather
loose
term ...
not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still
calories
...eat more
than
spent and weight will increase. I wish they would
give
us
a
choice
to use
the old
points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm
probably
always
going to
complain. LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred

wrote:

Perusing around.....

Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a
modified
name????

The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from
which
you
choose
items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I
gather
no
counting or
journaling or something like that but the info seemed
very
vague.
I'm
sure that I will stick with the older program - the
one
before
FLEX.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer"
wrote:

I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet.
When
they
went to
flex
points, the details were all over the internet weeks
before its
release
date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new
stuff
when
the flex
points came out.

I'm a bookkeeper so I know what you mean. The part I didnot like is the way
they handled the flex points.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the
lines
and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like a
ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are what
you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the
accountant
in me coming out.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old way
where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one
page.
The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without
writing
them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
...
It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first
journal
that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and
getting
a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan,
so
I
will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want to
go
back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points work
like
money and I am anal about my finances.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is. I
think
it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week.

One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to
the
OLD
journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the
current
tracker. That will make a lot of people happy.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was
wondering
if I was
the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm not
sure
what to
make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will
not
be
safe eating
pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count
foods
only
in 1
cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to
figure
out
how the
heck you are to lose weight following this ww program.

Read on .... what do you think?

Joyce

On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme"
wrote:

This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com):


"There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and the
new
option is
called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to
journal
or track
points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the
same
5
fruits
and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy servings,
and
still the
same vitamins.

The foods in the Core Program a

Whole wheat pasta
brown rice
no sugar added cereals
soups (non creamy)
You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods
that
are NOT on
the Core Program list.
The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a
specific
food on the
No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in
doubt,
leave it
out. NO EXCEPTIONS!

This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step
outside the
No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points
Allowance (at its
full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free Cheddar
cheese is a
No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it carries
a
POINTS value
of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you
make.
A
cup of
chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8.

When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No Count
Food, all foods
on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other foods
on
the List. If
any other food is used, the entire product should be counted
within
your
Flex Points Allowance.

Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal
Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat.

Beef
Bottom and top round roast
Bottom and top sirloin steak
Eye round roast
Flank steak
Organ meats
Round steak
Round tip steak and roast
Sirloin steak
T-bone steak
Tenderloin roast and steak
Top loin steak
Top sirloin roast
Ground Meat
Any type, 7% fat or less
Lamb
Leg roast
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Pork
Canadian-style bacon
Ham
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Sirloin cutlet
Tenderloin roast
Veal
Cutlet
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Round steak
Sirloin steak
Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey
Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin before
eating.
Chicken
Fresh, frozen, or canned
Ground poultry
Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean
Turkey
Fresh, frozen, or canned

Fish and Shellfish
Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato juice
(not
oil).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety
Meat Substitutes
Dried beans and lentils
Tofu, any type
Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen
Eggs and Dairy Products

Egg and Egg Substitutes
Egg, whole
Egg substitutes
Egg whites

Dairy Products
For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1 serving
milk
product.

Cheese, fat-free
Coffee creamers, fat-free
Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat
Cream cheese, fat-free
Dairy shake, reduced calorie*
Milk, fat-free or 1%
Pudding, fat-and sugar free*
Sour cream, fat-free
Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened
flavored*
Weight Watchers Smoothies
Diary Substitutes
Soy cheese, fat-free
Soy milk, fat-free
Soy yogurt, plain

Grains, Cereals, and Starches
Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a
wholegrain food.

Grains
Barley
Buckwheat
Bulgur
Cornmeal (polenta)
Couscous (semolina)
Kasha
Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn
Quinoa
Rolled oats
Rye

Cereals
Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be
eaten
with milk
or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day.

Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety
Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety

Starches
Macaroni, any type
Noodles, egg
Pasta, any type
Rice, any type
Spaghetti, any type
Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn)

Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups




Fruit
Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and
drained
before
eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened
applesauce is
not).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are not
allowed)

Vegetables
Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No
Count
Food List
(e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter sauce,
dried tomatoes
packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not allowed).

Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white and
sweet potatoes;
dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce
(Note:
Vegetable
juices are not allowed)

Soups
Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with
NoCount Foods.

Bean soup
Bouillon
Broth-based soup
Tomato soup

Beverages, Fats, and Condiments

Beverages
Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed.

Club soda
Coffee, black, without sugar
Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free
Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened
Soft drink, diet
Tea, without sugar
Water or mineral water

Fats
Margarine, fat-free
Mayonnaise, fat-free
Salad dressings, fat-free

Condiments
Baking powder
Baking soda
Capers
Cocktail sauce
Extracts
Flavorings
Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored)
Herbs
Hot sauce (pepper sauce)
Ketchup
Lemon juice
Mustard
Nonstick cooking or baking spray
Soy sauce (shoyu)
Spices
Steak sauce
Sugar substitutes
Taco sauce
Teriyaki sauce
Vinegar
Worcestershire sauce

Lesanne wrote:
If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute
after
I
get
it.

--
Les
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who
stole
Xmas)

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice
you
with the
gift
wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to
try?
Books?
Now my
curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted.

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred

wrote:

At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages.
With
something
like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper.

So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more
options
but
that
points would still be alive. We shall see.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does
scare
me a
bit, at least
for me. I like the more common sense approach of the
current
ww
...
anything
allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever*
would
not be a
good thing
for me. It would have to have limits as to what food
types/items you
could do
this with, which would lead me to think that it would be
more
restrictive ...
which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done*
routine.
Then
what?

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred

wrote:

I guess we will know in a couple of weeks.

I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really
want
it
simple
and without any calculating. I have a feeling there also
may
be a bit
of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have
only
picked up a
snippet or two and nothing very concrete.

May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and
also
used
uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text
like
that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not
liking
the
sound of
this at all, but I think it might have its applications,
from
what I
am
hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where
you
wanted to
keep
control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe, Lee,
hater
of
change
Joyce wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?)
program
going to be
similar to a
low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on
the
current
craze?
Hopefully
I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm
interested
in
anyway. I
don't
believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems
like
a
rather
loose
term ...
not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are still
calories
...eat more
than
spent and weight will increase. I wish they would
give
us
a
choice
to use
the old
points program, without the flex points. I know, I'm
probably
always
going to
complain. LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred

wrote:

Perusing around.....

Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a
modified
name????

The second program sounds odd. A list of foods from
which
you
choose
items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I
gather
no
counting or
journaling or something like that but the info seemed
very
vague.
I'm
sure that I will stick with the older program - the
one
before
FLEX.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer"
wrote:

I find it amazing that no one knows any details yet.
When
they
went to
flex
points, the details were all over the internet weeks
before its
release
date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all new
stuff
when
the flex
points came out.

I thought of that like a savings account and I would withdraw from those
when I was running short for the day. I guess the one thing I did
different, was exercise points, I added them to the balance and if I used
them the same day fine, if not they got carried to the next day. Everything
zeroed out on weigh in day though. I weigh in the morning, so my weigh in
day is my first day of the new week.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I'm a bookkeeper so I know what you mean. The part I didnot like is the
way
they handled the flex points.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
I never used the QuikTrac Express part of the journal. I felt that was
a
waste of time and paper, but I do like the checkbook like feel of the
lines
and the columns for earned points vs. spent points. It is so much like
a
ledger pad for accounting. Debits are what you spend and credits are
what
you earn. Just like accounting or a checkbook. Sorry it is the
accountant
in me coming out.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I never started using this new form of the journal. I liked the old
way
where you could see all of your points and how you used them on one
page.
The way this journal just has you check off the Flexpoints without
writing
them down drove me nuts. I use an excel spreadsheet now instead.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in
message
...
It will make a lot of people happy, but not me. This is the first
journal
that has worked for me, so I have been accumulating the journals and
getting
a stockpile of them. I am in the last meeting to have the old plan,
so
I
will wipe out their stores when I weigh in next week. I don't want
to
go
back to the old way. I guess it is the accountant in me, points
work
like
money and I am anal about my finances.

Debbie

"Laura" wrote in message
...
I saw the post the other night but am not sure how accurate it is.
I
think
it best to wait to see what WW really rolls out in a week.

One thing I did get out of my leader is that they are returning to
the
OLD
journal format due to all of the complaints they got with the
current
tracker. That will make a lot of people happy.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Ok, I'm replying to this ... have seen no one else reply - was
wondering
if I was
the only person who was able to view this a few days ago? I'm
not
sure
what to
make of it, IF this is really their new program. I know I will
not
be
safe eating
pasta ... in any form ... until satisfied! Or are the no count
foods
only
in 1
cup quantities? Much more info here, but still not enough to
figure
out
how the
heck you are to lose weight following this ww program.

Read on .... what do you think?

Joyce

On 12 Aug 2004 17:37:21 -0700, "Uberfemme"
wrote:

This was posted to the Cathe forums (http://www.cathe.com):


"There are now two options. The Flex Plan as we know it, and
the
new
option is
called the Core Plan. That is the one that you don't need to
journal
or track
points. You just eat certain foods from food groups. Still the
same
5
fruits
and veggies, still the same water, still the same dairy
servings,
and
still the
same vitamins.

The foods in the Core Program a

Whole wheat pasta
brown rice
no sugar added cereals
soups (non creamy)
You also have 35 flex points if you want to use them for foods
that
are NOT on
the Core Program list.
The following items are No Count Foods. If you don't see a
specific
food on the
No Count Food List, it's not allowed as a No Count Food. If in
doubt,
leave it
out. NO EXCEPTIONS!

This works by limiting food choices. Whenever you want to step
outside the
No Count Foods, you must make a choice - use your Flex Points
Allowance (at its
full POINTS value) or don't eat it. For example, fat-free
Cheddar
cheese is a
No Count Food. Opt for an ounce of regular Cheddar and it
carries
a
POINTS value
of 3. The same goes for any food combinations or recipes you
make.
A
cup of
chili from your favorite eatery has a POINTS value of 8.

When combining foods, to consider the finished product a No
Count
Food, all foods
on the No Count Food List must be combined only with other
foods
on
the List. If
any other food is used, the entire product should be counted
within
your
Flex Points Allowance.

Meats - Beef, Lamb, Pork, and Veal
Choose visibly lean cuts and trim any excess fat.

Beef
Bottom and top round roast
Bottom and top sirloin steak
Eye round roast
Flank steak
Organ meats
Round steak
Round tip steak and roast
Sirloin steak
T-bone steak
Tenderloin roast and steak
Top loin steak
Top sirloin roast
Ground Meat
Any type, 7% fat or less
Lamb
Leg roast
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Pork
Canadian-style bacon
Ham
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Sirloin chop
Sirloin cutlet
Tenderloin roast
Veal
Cutlet
Loin chop or roast
Organ meats
Round steak
Sirloin steak
Poultry - Limited to Chicken and Turkey
Trim any visible fat before preparing and remove the skin
before
eating.
Chicken
Fresh, frozen, or canned
Ground poultry
Chicken or turkey only, lean or extra-lean
Turkey
Fresh, frozen, or canned

Fish and Shellfish
Canned varieties must be packed in water, broth, or tomato
juice
(not
oil).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety
Meat Substitutes
Dried beans and lentils
Tofu, any type
Vegetarian burger, fat-free, frozen
Eggs and Dairy Products

Egg and Egg Substitutes
Egg, whole
Egg substitutes
Egg whites

Dairy Products
For items marked with an asterisk (*), 1 cup counts as 1
serving
milk
product.

Cheese, fat-free
Coffee creamers, fat-free
Cottage cheese, fat-free or 1% fat
Cream cheese, fat-free
Dairy shake, reduced calorie*
Milk, fat-free or 1%
Pudding, fat-and sugar free*
Sour cream, fat-free
Yogurt, fat-free or 1% fat, plain or artificially sweetened
flavored*
Weight Watchers Smoothies
Diary Substitutes
Soy cheese, fat-free
Soy milk, fat-free
Soy yogurt, plain

Grains, Cereals, and Starches
Refer to other page for an explanation of what qualifies as a
wholegrain food.

Grains
Barley
Buckwheat
Bulgur
Cornmeal (polenta)
Couscous (semolina)
Kasha
Popcorn, air-popped or 94% fat-free microwave-popcorn
Quinoa
Rolled oats
Rye

Cereals
Ready-to-eat cereals cannot be frosted or sugar-coated, must be
eaten
with milk
or yogurt, and are limited to one meal a day.

Cooked (hot), any whole-grain variety
Ready-to-eat (cold), any whole-grain variety

Starches
Macaroni, any type
Noodles, egg
Pasta, any type
Rice, any type
Spaghetti, any type
Starchy vegetables (e.g., all potatoes, peas, corn)

Fruits, Vegetables, and Soups




Fruit
Canned fruit must be packed in water or juice (not syrup) and
drained
before
eating (e.g., unsweetened apple-sauce is allowed but sweetened
applesauce is
not).

Fresh, frozen, or canned, any variety (Note: fruit juices are
not
allowed)

Vegetables
Vegetables cannot contain ingredients that are not on the No
Count
Food List
(e.g., regular refried beans, pork & beans, corn in butter
sauce,
dried tomatoes
packed in oil, French fries, and sweet pickles are not
allowed).

Fresh, frozen, canned, or dried, any variety including white
and
sweet potatoes;
dried beans and lentils; and tomato paste, puree, and sauce
(Note:
Vegetable
juices are not allowed)

Soups
Choose fresh, canned, frozen, or homemade soups made only with
NoCount Foods.

Bean soup
Bouillon
Broth-based soup
Tomato soup

Beverages, Fats, and Condiments

Beverages
Beverages containing alcohol are not allowed.

Club soda
Coffee, black, without sugar
Hot cocoa, instant, sugar-and fat-free
Seltzer, plain or flavored, unsweetened
Soft drink, diet
Tea, without sugar
Water or mineral water

Fats
Margarine, fat-free
Mayonnaise, fat-free
Salad dressings, fat-free

Condiments
Baking powder
Baking soda
Capers
Cocktail sauce
Extracts
Flavorings
Gelatin (unflavored and sugar-free flavored)
Herbs
Hot sauce (pepper sauce)
Ketchup
Lemon juice
Mustard
Nonstick cooking or baking spray
Soy sauce (shoyu)
Spices
Steak sauce
Sugar substitutes
Taco sauce
Teriyaki sauce
Vinegar
Worcestershire sauce

Lesanne wrote:
If they give me a wrapped box it is going to be open a minute
after
I
get
it.

--
Les
"Fred" wrote in message
...
I bet they are empty boxes! (G) (signed, the Grinch who
stole
Xmas)

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:04:34 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

Ooooooooooh, I love presents!!! Are they trying to entice
you
with the
gift
wrapped packages? What's inside them ... free products to
try?
Books?
Now my
curiousity is definitely piqued. Do keep us posted.

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:37:00 -0700, Fred

wrote:

At today's meeting there were "gift wrapped" packages.
With
something
like Open Aug 22 on the wrapping paper.

So I asked. Was merely told it would have some more
options
but
that
points would still be alive. We shall see.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:05:54 -0500, Joyce
wrote:

I'll be interested to see what all is involved. It does
scare
me a
bit, at least
for me. I like the more common sense approach of the
current
ww
...
anything
allowed, in moderation. I fear the *eat until whatever*
would
not be a
good thing
for me. It would have to have limits as to what food
types/items you
could do
this with, which would lead me to think that it would be
more
restrictive ...
which would lead to the *when I'm at goal I'm done*
routine.
Then
what?

Joyce

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:06 -0700, Fred

wrote:

I guess we will know in a couple of weeks.

I think "NOT COUNTING" is the idea for those who really
want
it
simple
and without any calculating. I have a feeling there
also
may
be a bit
of low carb to it but that is merely a guess. I have
only
picked up a
snippet or two and nothing very concrete.

May I ask, above, I placed quotes around a phrase and
also
used
uppercase letters - what does your reader do with text
like
that.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:32:16 -0700, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

I need more structure than "eat until full" I am not
liking
the
sound of
this at all, but I think it might have its
applications,
from
what I
am
hearing it might be worth looking in a situation where
you
wanted to
keep
control but not figure points, like a cruise maybe,
Lee,
hater
of
change
Joyce wrote in message
om...
Interesting. I wonder ... is the second (new?)
program
going to be
similar to a
low carb type thing? Maybe trying to capitalize on
the
current
craze?
Hopefully
I'm wrong, but doesn't sound like something I'm
interested
in
anyway. I
don't
believe in eating until satisfied (which to me seems
like
a
rather
loose
term ...
not sure if I'm EVER satisfied!). Calories are
still
calories
...eat more
than
spent and weight will increase. I wish they would
give
us
a
choice
to use
the old
points program, without the flex points. I know,
I'm
probably
always
going to
complain. LOL

Joyce

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:03:03 -0700, Fred

wrote:

Perusing around.....

Two programs. Flexpoints will continue with a
modified
name????

The second program sounds odd. A list of foods
from
which
you
choose
items. Supposedly, you eat until satified and I
gather
no
counting or
journaling or something like that but the info
seemed
very
vague.
I'm
sure that I will stick with the older program - the
one
before
FLEX.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:41:30 -0400, "moondancer"
wrote:

I find it amazing that no one knows any details
yet.
When
they
went to
flex
points, the details were all over the internet
weeks
before its
release
date. Kind of iritating cause I just bought all
new
stuff
when
the flex
points came out.