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Old June 3rd, 2008, 07:28 AM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
liketofindoutwhy
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Default what food has female hormone and men should avoid? soy?

i used to drink a lot of soy milk or soy drinks, and somehow my chest
increased in size like a woman... not muscle, but fat deposit...

what's more, i even eat some health products such as pollen, royal bee
jelly, bird's nest soup, non-organic chicken (at restaurants), Swamp
eel (a type of freshwater eel), Asiatic Grass Frog (or also called
Chinese Brown Frog) from Northeast China (this is a common sweet soup
at Asian dessert places).

oh well, those are said to have quite a bit of female hormone in
them... i.e. Estrogen, and they seem to really have strong effect on
me. Soy drink has plant-type estrogen... and for chicken, it is
said that the estrogen comes from the additives added to the feed that
was fed to the chicken so that they grow big and ready for market in 7
weeks instead of 7 months in the old days... and other food's estrogen
is natural in them.

So for 3 weeks I haven't drunk soy drink and only ate semi-organic
chicken grown in Hong Kong (I was in Hong Kong) and my chest in fact
did get more back to normal. The store owner selling chicken in Hong
Kong told me that people eat chicken with female hormone and that's
why girls nowadays start to have periods and develop their body shape
earlier in life than before.

If you know any info related to this or have some experience about
this and can share it, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 07:36 AM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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On Jun 2, 11:28*pm, liketofindoutwhy
wrote:
i used to drink a lot of soy milk or soy drinks, and somehow my chest
increased in size like a woman... not muscle, but fat deposit...

what's more, i even eat some health products such as pollen, royal bee
jelly, bird's nest soup, non-organic chicken (at restaurants), Swamp
eel (a type of freshwater eel), Asiatic Grass Frog (or also called
Chinese Brown Frog) from Northeast China (this is a common sweet soup
at Asian dessert places).

oh well, those are said to have quite a bit of female hormone in
them... i.e. Estrogen, and they seem to really have strong effect on
me. *Soy drink has plant-type estrogen... * and for chicken, it is
said that the estrogen comes from the additives added to the feed that
was fed to the chicken so that they grow big and ready for market in 7
weeks instead of 7 months in the old days... and other food's estrogen
is natural in them.

So for 3 weeks I haven't drunk soy drink and only ate semi-organic
chicken grown in Hong Kong (I was in Hong Kong) and my chest in fact
did get more back to normal. *The store owner selling chicken in Hong
Kong told me that people eat chicken with female hormone and that's
why girls nowadays start to have periods and develop their body shape
earlier in life than before.

If you know any info related to this or have some experience about
this and can share it, it would be greatly appreciated.


actually, i wonder if i drink non-organic milk, or take DanActive,
which is a probiotics drink like Yogurt, that contains non-organic
milk, will the hormone in them be also female hormone?

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Old June 3rd, 2008, 03:47 PM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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Default what food has female hormone and men should avoid? soy?

On Jun 2, 11:28*pm, liketofindoutwhy
wrote:
i used to drink a lot of soy milk or soy drinks, and somehow my chest
increased in size like a woman... not muscle, but fat deposit...

what's more, i even eat some health products such as pollen, royal bee
jelly, bird's nest soup, non-organic chicken (at restaurants), Swamp
eel (a type of freshwater eel), Asiatic Grass Frog (or also called
Chinese Brown Frog) from Northeast China (this is a common sweet soup
at Asian dessert places).

oh well, those are said to have quite a bit of female hormone in
them... i.e. Estrogen, and they seem to really have strong effect on
me. *Soy drink has plant-type estrogen... * and for chicken, it is
said that the estrogen comes from the additives added to the feed that
was fed to the chicken so that they grow big and ready for market in 7
weeks instead of 7 months in the old days... and other food's estrogen
is natural in them.

So for 3 weeks I haven't drunk soy drink and only ate semi-organic
chicken grown in Hong Kong (I was in Hong Kong) and my chest in fact
did get more back to normal. *The store owner selling chicken in Hong
Kong told me that people eat chicken with female hormone and that's
why girls nowadays start to have periods and develop their body shape
earlier in life than before.

If you know any info related to this or have some experience about
this and can share it, it would be greatly appreciated.


There is some evidence that estrogen-like compounds found in many
products such as plastics and herbicides are responsible for the
earlier maturation of females and lower sperm count and testicle size
in men. I don't see why this should surprise anyone though. Surely
people understand we cannot rape the environment and create an
artificial world without some side effects. Just look at all the
chemicals you come in contact with....thousands each day. Solvents,
disinfectants, herbicides, insecticides, plastics, cosmetics, metals,
growth hormones and antibiotics in beef, etc. That soy would have been
treated with herbicide, fertilizer, and exposed to who knows what at
the processor. There would be chemicals in the packaging as well. They
probably cleaned the equipment that processed the soy beans with
disinfectants and solvents. You remember the bottled water that was
contaminated with solvent from the cleaning process. I don't have an
answer but probably eating unprocessed, basic food...lower on the food
chain would help. By the time you get to beef, there would be a
concentration of more bad stuff, so it is probably better to eat
organic vegetarian if you need to avoid as many chemicals as possible,
but in the end, it is futile to even try and live in a modern world.

I went to a dairy once where they were milking cows. They dip the teat
cups in an antibiotic/iodine solution, then into a bucket of water to
rinse it off (kinda), then the milking begins. They spray the cows
udder to wash it off. There would be whatever disinfectant/antibiotic
was in the teat wash in the milk, not to mention traces of manure,
hair, etc....basically whatever is in the air in a barn. People are
generally tough and seem to be able to adapt to contaminants, but it
couldn't be good for us. dkw
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 07:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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On Jun 3, 7:47*am, " wrote:
There is some evidence that estrogen-like compounds found in many
products such as plastics and herbicides are responsible for the
earlier maturation of females and lower sperm count and testicle size
in men. I don't see why this should surprise anyone though. Surely
people understand we cannot rape the environment and create an
artificial world without some side effects. Just look at all the
chemicals you come in contact with....thousands each day. Solvents,
disinfectants, herbicides, insecticides, plastics, cosmetics, metals,
growth hormones and antibiotics in beef, etc. That soy would have been
treated with herbicide, fertilizer, and exposed to who knows what at
the processor. There would be chemicals in the packaging as well. They
probably cleaned the equipment that processed the soy beans with
disinfectants and solvents. You remember the bottled water that was
contaminated with solvent from the cleaning process. I don't have an
answer but probably eating unprocessed, basic food...lower on the food
chain would help. By the time you get to beef, there would be a
concentration of more bad stuff, so it is probably better to eat
organic vegetarian if you need to avoid as many chemicals as possible,
but in the end, it is futile to even try and live in a modern world.

I went to a dairy once where they were milking cows. They dip the teat
cups in an antibiotic/iodine solution, then into a bucket of water to
rinse it off (kinda), then the milking begins. They spray the cows
udder to wash it off. There would be whatever disinfectant/antibiotic
was in the teat wash in the milk, not to mention traces of manure,
hair, etc....basically whatever is in the air in a barn. People are
generally tough and seem to be able to adapt to contaminants, but it
couldn't be good for us. dkw


so that means bottled water, like Crystal Geyser, because the plastic
bottle loses a tiny bit of plastic into the water, then that will
cause some estrogen compounds to be in the water? And if we drink 8
bottles a days... 365 days a year... some people use a paper cup
with the refrigerator's water filter... but then the paper cup may
have cleaner or solvent attached to it too? So the safest is to use
a glass or ceramic cup and use the refrigerator water or even the
faucet water?

by the way, sometimes I put a case of bottled water in the car, and my
car is under the sun for 10 hours a day .... so that can make the
water really bad huh?


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Old June 3rd, 2008, 07:12 PM posted to alt.support.diet
Arlan K
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Default what food has female hormone and men should avoid? soy?

As a kid I use to eat the grain we fed to the chickens.... It was laying
mash..
Made the chickens lay more eggs... it also gave me a healthy pair of
tits... not good on a 14 year old.. I had more 'uptairs' than my
girl-friend... but it did bring up the question of my anatomy and she
wanted to see.... and so I showed her... and she felt them .... and I
made a mess in my undies... well... it happens to all kids, doesn't
it.... and so my sex-life started...

I'm away from the farm now... and my tits are back to normal... I
think.. ha...

I kinna miss them...

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Old June 3rd, 2008, 09:59 PM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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On Jun 3, 11:02*am, liketofindoutwhy
wrote:
On Jun 3, 7:47*am, " wrote:





There is some evidence that estrogen-like compounds found in many
products such as plastics and herbicides are responsible for the
earlier maturation of females and lower sperm count and testicle size
in men. I don't see why this should surprise anyone though. Surely
people understand we cannot rape the environment and create an
artificial world without some side effects. Just look at all the
chemicals you come in contact with....thousands each day. Solvents,
disinfectants, herbicides, insecticides, plastics, cosmetics, metals,
growth hormones and antibiotics in beef, etc. That soy would have been
treated with herbicide, fertilizer, and exposed to who knows what at
the processor. There would be chemicals in the packaging as well. They
probably cleaned the equipment that processed the soy beans with
disinfectants and solvents. You remember the bottled water that was
contaminated with solvent from the cleaning process. I don't have an
answer but probably eating unprocessed, basic food...lower on the food
chain would help. By the time you get to beef, there would be a
concentration of more bad stuff, so it is probably better to eat
organic vegetarian if you need to avoid as many chemicals as possible,
but in the end, it is futile to even try and live in a modern world.


I went to a dairy once where they were milking cows. They dip the teat
cups in an antibiotic/iodine solution, then into a bucket of water to
rinse it off (kinda), then the milking begins. They spray the cows
udder to wash it off. There would be whatever disinfectant/antibiotic
was in the teat wash in the milk, not to mention traces of manure,
hair, etc....basically whatever is in the air in a barn. People are
generally tough and seem to be able to adapt to contaminants, but it
couldn't be good for us. dkw


so that means bottled water, like Crystal Geyser, because the plastic
bottle loses a tiny bit of plastic into the water, then that will
cause some estrogen compounds to be in the water? * And if we drink 8
bottles a days... 365 days a year... * some people use a paper cup
with the refrigerator's water filter... but then the paper cup may
have cleaner or solvent attached to it too? * So the safest is to use
a glass or ceramic cup and use the refrigerator water or even the
faucet water?

by the way, sometimes I put a case of bottled water in the car, and my
car is under the sun for 10 hours a day .... so that can make the
water really bad huh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes. Canada has banned plastic baby bottles, because babies as you
would suspect are more susceptible to chemicals with their rapidly
growing bodies. I would expect that we would get a higher dose of
plastic from a heated bottle too. Water bottles are also made to
biodegrade, so that pretty much guarantees there will be some
dissolution of the plastic into the water inside. There is a plastic
lining in canned foods as well from soup to nuts. The compounds are
not estrogen, but similar enough, that some scientists think the body
responds to them like it would to intrinsic or prescribed estrogen.
Plastic bags, baby bottles, canned foods, dental sealants, herbicides.
These chemicals are fairly unavoidable, but I wouldn't use plastic
baby bottles since it is very simple to replace those with glass. Baby
food also comes in glass, so that would be the solution there as well.
Now the nipples are either latex...very bad since latex allergies are
common and increase with exposure time, or vinyl, which is of
course.....PLASTIC. Vinyl may not be as bad as some of the other
plastics though, so I guess I would opt for that. Human breasts have
no plastic so that would be the obvious best choice there. dkw
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Old June 8th, 2008, 02:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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Default what food has female hormone and men should avoid? soy?

wrote:
On Jun 3, 11:02 am, liketofindoutwhy
wrote:
On Jun 3, 7:47 am, " wrote:





There is some evidence that estrogen-like compounds found in many
products such as plastics and herbicides are responsible for the
earlier maturation of females and lower sperm count and testicle size
in men. I don't see why this should surprise anyone though. Surely
people understand we cannot rape the environment and create an
artificial world without some side effects. Just look at all the
chemicals you come in contact with....thousands each day. Solvents,
disinfectants, herbicides, insecticides, plastics, cosmetics, metals,
growth hormones and antibiotics in beef, etc. That soy would have been
treated with herbicide, fertilizer, and exposed to who knows what at
the processor. There would be chemicals in the packaging as well. They
probably cleaned the equipment that processed the soy beans with
disinfectants and solvents. You remember the bottled water that was
contaminated with solvent from the cleaning process. I don't have an
answer but probably eating unprocessed, basic food...lower on the food
chain would help. By the time you get to beef, there would be a
concentration of more bad stuff, so it is probably better to eat
organic vegetarian if you need to avoid as many chemicals as possible,
but in the end, it is futile to even try and live in a modern world.
I went to a dairy once where they were milking cows. They dip the teat
cups in an antibiotic/iodine solution, then into a bucket of water to
rinse it off (kinda), then the milking begins. They spray the cows
udder to wash it off. There would be whatever disinfectant/antibiotic
was in the teat wash in the milk, not to mention traces of manure,
hair, etc....basically whatever is in the air in a barn. People are
generally tough and seem to be able to adapt to contaminants, but it
couldn't be good for us. dkw

so that means bottled water, like Crystal Geyser, because the plastic
bottle loses a tiny bit of plastic into the water, then that will
cause some estrogen compounds to be in the water? And if we drink 8
bottles a days... 365 days a year... some people use a paper cup
with the refrigerator's water filter... but then the paper cup may
have cleaner or solvent attached to it too? So the safest is to use
a glass or ceramic cup and use the refrigerator water or even the
faucet water?

by the way, sometimes I put a case of bottled water in the car, and my
car is under the sun for 10 hours a day .... so that can make the
water really bad huh?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes. Canada has banned plastic baby bottles, because babies as you
would suspect are more susceptible to chemicals with their rapidly
growing bodies. I would expect that we would get a higher dose of
plastic from a heated bottle too. Water bottles are also made to
biodegrade, so that pretty much guarantees there will be some
dissolution of the plastic into the water inside. There is a plastic
lining in canned foods as well from soup to nuts. The compounds are
not estrogen, but similar enough, that some scientists think the body
responds to them like it would to intrinsic or prescribed estrogen.
Plastic bags, baby bottles, canned foods, dental sealants, herbicides.
These chemicals are fairly unavoidable, but I wouldn't use plastic
baby bottles since it is very simple to replace those with glass. Baby
food also comes in glass, so that would be the solution there as well.
Now the nipples are either latex...very bad since latex allergies are
common and increase with exposure time, or vinyl, which is of
course.....PLASTIC. Vinyl may not be as bad as some of the other
plastics though, so I guess I would opt for that. Human breasts have
no plastic so that would be the obvious best choice there. dkw


You might be thinking of bisphenol A, which is used to make
polycarbonates. There was a segment on "60 Minutes" recently about the
FDA's delay (of many years' duration!) in looking into the matter. I
believe they still haven't scheduled any studies on it.

They did say what effects it's suspected of causing, but now I forget
what they were. (I think they said it might accelerate sexual
development in girls around puberty and delay testicular development in
boys.)

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c
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Old June 8th, 2008, 04:38 PM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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On Jun 8, 6:42*am, Marshall Price wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 3, 11:02 am, liketofindoutwhy
wrote:
On Jun 3, 7:47 am, " wrote:


There is some evidence that estrogen-like compounds found in many
products such as plastics and herbicides are responsible for the
earlier maturation of females and lower sperm count and testicle size
in men. I don't see why this should surprise anyone though. Surely
people understand we cannot rape the environment and create an
artificial world without some side effects. Just look at all the
chemicals you come in contact with....thousands each day. Solvents,
disinfectants, herbicides, insecticides, plastics, cosmetics, metals,
growth hormones and antibiotics in beef, etc. That soy would have been
treated with herbicide, fertilizer, and exposed to who knows what at
the processor. There would be chemicals in the packaging as well. They
probably cleaned the equipment that processed the soy beans with
disinfectants and solvents. You remember the bottled water that was
contaminated with solvent from the cleaning process. I don't have an
answer but probably eating unprocessed, basic food...lower on the food
chain would help. By the time you get to beef, there would be a
concentration of more bad stuff, so it is probably better to eat
organic vegetarian if you need to avoid as many chemicals as possible,
but in the end, it is futile to even try and live in a modern world.
I went to a dairy once where they were milking cows. They dip the teat
cups in an antibiotic/iodine solution, then into a bucket of water to
rinse it off (kinda), then the milking begins. They spray the cows
udder to wash it off. There would be whatever disinfectant/antibiotic
was in the teat wash in the milk, not to mention traces of manure,
hair, etc....basically whatever is in the air in a barn. People are
generally tough and seem to be able to adapt to contaminants, but it
couldn't be good for us. dkw
so that means bottled water, like Crystal Geyser, because the plastic
bottle loses a tiny bit of plastic into the water, then that will
cause some estrogen compounds to be in the water? * And if we drink 8
bottles a days... 365 days a year... * some people use a paper cup
with the refrigerator's water filter... but then the paper cup may
have cleaner or solvent attached to it too? * So the safest is to use
a glass or ceramic cup and use the refrigerator water or even the
faucet water?


by the way, sometimes I put a case of bottled water in the car, and my
car is under the sun for 10 hours a day .... so that can make the
water really bad huh?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Yes. Canada has banned plastic baby bottles, because babies as you
would suspect are more susceptible to chemicals with their rapidly
growing bodies. I would expect that we would get a higher dose of
plastic from a heated bottle too. Water bottles are also made to
biodegrade, so that pretty much guarantees there will be some
dissolution of the plastic into the water inside. There is a plastic
lining in canned foods as well from soup to nuts. The compounds are
not estrogen, but similar enough, that some scientists think the body
responds to them like it would to intrinsic or prescribed estrogen.
Plastic bags, baby bottles, canned foods, dental sealants, herbicides.
These chemicals are fairly unavoidable, but I wouldn't use plastic
baby bottles since it is very simple to replace those with glass. Baby
food also comes in glass, so that would be the solution there as well.
Now the nipples are either latex...very bad since latex allergies are
common and increase with exposure time, or vinyl, which is of
course.....PLASTIC. Vinyl may not be as bad as some of the other
plastics though, so I guess I would opt for that. Human breasts have
no plastic so that would be the obvious best choice there. dkw


* *You might be thinking of bisphenol A, which is used to make
polycarbonates. *There was a segment on "60 Minutes" recently about the
FDA's delay (of many years' duration!) in looking into the matter. *I
believe they still haven't scheduled any studies on it.

* *They did say what effects it's suspected of causing, but now I forget
what they were. *(I think they said it might accelerate sexual
development in girls around puberty and delay testicular development in
boys.)

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


"They did say what effects it's suspected of causing, but now I
forget
what they were."

Was it memory loss? LOL
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Old June 9th, 2008, 06:20 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Jun 3, 11:12*am, (Arlan K) wrote:
As a kid I use to eat the grain we fed to the chickens.... It was laying
mash..
Made the chickens lay more eggs...


how come you were eating chicken feed? is it just because of being
naughty? does it actually taste good and so you keep on eating it?
(doesn't it need to be cooked?) is the feed called laying mash?




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Old June 9th, 2008, 06:22 AM posted to alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
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On Jun 3, 1:59*pm, " wrote:
Yes. Canada has banned plastic baby bottles, because babies as you
would suspect are more susceptible to chemicals with their rapidly
growing bodies.


so my brother-in-law who is in the pharmacy industry knows about it,
and he said the effect of plastic bottle water is really little on
grown up people. Like we have to drink a bath tub worth of water in
order to feel the effect of it. i wonder... maybe he means per day...


 




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