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December 9th, 2003, 07:06 PM
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Fat people, get real
Daedalus wrote in message . ..
On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear-shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Tripe like this, ignores the rampant spread of AIDS in places like China, Africa and India where the rise is primarily among the Heterosexual population. Is your whole life a self contrivance designed to make you feel better about yourself? Actually I think you may be confusing your modus operandi with mine. AJ Because, somebody has to be the Diva! Jade A medical journalist and self-proclaimed "debunker of faux fears" (his last book was "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS"), Fumento is on a crusade. Guess so! Consider the source. AJ Because, somebody has to be the Diva 
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December 9th, 2003, 09:05 PM
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Fat people, get real
On 9 Dec 2003 11:06:26 -0800, (A J Davenport),
wrote: Daedalus wrote in message . .. On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear-shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Tripe like this, ignores the rampant spread of AIDS in places like China, Africa and India where the rise is primarily among the Heterosexual population. No where does it say, heterosexuals can't get AIDS. While I might not agree with his erroneous perceptions (I'm only looking at the quote you provided), it still appears as though you distorted the truth. Is your whole life a self contrivance designed to make you feel better about yourself? Actually I think you may be confusing your modus operandi with mine. I see. I'm a bully because I challenge your ridiculously spurious claims. Thanks for supporting my argument. Jade
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December 9th, 2003, 10:49 PM
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Fat people, get real
Sarah Jane wrote in message ...
In A J Davenport wrote: Daedalus wrote in message news: ... On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message news:HKFFNSRQ37963. ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear- shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. Do you see the words "the risk...is so small"? That's "small", not "nonexistent". Yes, and it does nothing to address that the highest risk group in the heterosexual population is women who risk AIDS at a much higher rate than men do in indulging in unprotected heterosexual sex. The fastest growing segment of new AIDS cases is among women, who have a much higher risk of transmission than men do. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. Do you see the word "almost" before the word "exclusively"? Yes I did. And by stating that you show rather narrow focus. The point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced. It does not contain the information necessary to protect a heterosexual person from contracting AIDS, It encourages them to take risks with their lives by engaging in unprotected sex because they are sure that they as a heterosexual are protected by the almost exclusive part of the above statement. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Then you should learn to read. And perhaps you should learn to read without such narrow focus. AJ Because, somebody has to be the Diva!
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December 10th, 2003, 12:12 AM
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Fat people, get real
On 9 Dec 2003, (A J Davenport) wrote:
Sarah Jane wrote in message ... In A J Davenport wrote: Daedalus wrote in message news: ... On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message news:HKFFNSRQ37963. ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear- shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. Do you see the words "the risk...is so small"? That's "small", not "nonexistent". Yes, and it does nothing to address that the highest risk group in the heterosexual population is women who risk AIDS at a much higher rate than men do in indulging in unprotected heterosexual sex. The fastest growing segment of new AIDS cases is among women, who have a much higher risk of transmission than men do. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. Do you see the word "almost" before the word "exclusively"? Yes I did. And by stating that you show rather narrow focus. The point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced. It does not contain the information necessary to protect a heterosexual person from contracting AIDS, It encourages them to take risks with their lives by engaging in unprotected sex because they are sure that they as a heterosexual are protected by the almost exclusive part of the above statement. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Then you should learn to read. And perhaps you should learn to read without such narrow focus. AJ Because, somebody has to be the Diva! Oh I see. Now "the point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced." Well no, it is not and was not the point. The point is you made a claim - that Fumento stated "heterosexuals don't get AIDS". You have yet to provide a single piece of evidence that shows he had ever said that. You essentially lied and then evaded and smugly criticized everyone who pointed that out. Why don't you just stick to the self-delusion and hypocrisy of FAT acceptance? It appears to be one of the few things at which you're talented. HTH S*nort
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December 10th, 2003, 12:44 AM
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Fat people, get real
In A J Davenport wrote:
Sarah Jane wrote in message news: ... In A J Davenport wrote: Daedalus wrote in message news: ... On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message news:HKFFNSRQ37963. ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear- shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. Do you see the words "the risk...is so small"? That's "small", not "nonexistent". Yes, and it does nothing to address that the highest risk group in the heterosexual population is women who risk AIDS at a much higher rate than men do in indulging in unprotected heterosexual sex. First of all, that has nothing to do with your original statement. Secondly, that's not the point of the book. The fastest growing segment of new AIDS cases is among women, who have a much higher risk of transmission than men do. And where does he say otherwise? He does not say that heterosexuals don't get AIDS; he essentially says that it's unlikely to run rampant through the heterosexual population, because although women can get it from men, they're highly unlikely to spread it to other men. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. Do you see the word "almost" before the word "exclusively"? Yes I did. And by stating that you show rather narrow focus. No, I was pointing out your error. The point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced. That's not what you said originally - you said that he denied the existence of heterosexual AIDS, which is not true. And what do you mean by "balanced"? He's trying to make a point, one that you obviously don't comprehend. It does not contain the information necessary to protect a heterosexual person from contracting AIDS, Because that's not what the book is about. There's plenty of that information available elsewhere. It encourages them to take risks with their lives by engaging in unprotected sex because they are sure that they as a heterosexual are protected by the almost exclusive part of the above statement. Where does he tell people to engage in unprotected sex? Admittedly, I haven't read the book, but I've read excerpts and never seen anything of the kind. Although he doesn't believe that there's a high risk of contracting HIV through normal heterosexual contact, I don't think he denies the risks of getting syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, HPV, etc. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Then you should learn to read. And perhaps you should learn to read without such narrow focus. You're the one with the narrow focus. You can't see the difference between saying something is unlikely and saying it's impossible. You also apparently don't understand the difference between talking about individuals and populations, nor do you understand the difference between a sex-ed manual and a political diatribe.
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December 10th, 2003, 05:02 AM
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Fat people, get real
"A J Davenport" wrote in message
om... And by stating that you show rather narrow focus. The point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced. Balanced in the sense of containing truth and falsehood in equal measures?
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December 10th, 2003, 01:44 PM
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Fat people, get real
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:44:24 GMT, Sarah Jane ,
wrote: In A J Davenport wrote: Sarah Jane wrote in message news: ... In A J Davenport wrote: Daedalus wrote in message news: ... On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message news:HKFFNSRQ37963. ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear- shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. Do you see the words "the risk...is so small"? That's "small", not "nonexistent". Yes, and it does nothing to address that the highest risk group in the heterosexual population is women who risk AIDS at a much higher rate than men do in indulging in unprotected heterosexual sex. First of all, that has nothing to do with your original statement. Secondly, that's not the point of the book. The fastest growing segment of new AIDS cases is among women, who have a much higher risk of transmission than men do. And where does he say otherwise? He does not say that heterosexuals don't get AIDS; he essentially says that it's unlikely to run rampant through the heterosexual population, because although women can get it from men, they're highly unlikely to spread it to other men. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. Do you see the word "almost" before the word "exclusively"? Yes I did. And by stating that you show rather narrow focus. No, I was pointing out your error. The point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced. That's not what you said originally - you said that he denied the existence of heterosexual AIDS, which is not true. And what do you mean by "balanced"? He's trying to make a point, one that you obviously don't comprehend. It does not contain the information necessary to protect a heterosexual person from contracting AIDS, Because that's not what the book is about. There's plenty of that information available elsewhere. It encourages them to take risks with their lives by engaging in unprotected sex because they are sure that they as a heterosexual are protected by the almost exclusive part of the above statement. Where does he tell people to engage in unprotected sex? Admittedly, I haven't read the book, but I've read excerpts and never seen anything of the kind. Although he doesn't believe that there's a high risk of contracting HIV through normal heterosexual contact, I don't think he denies the risks of getting syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, HPV, etc. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Then you should learn to read. And perhaps you should learn to read without such narrow focus. You're the one with the narrow focus. You can't see the difference between saying something is unlikely and saying it's impossible. You also apparently don't understand the difference between talking about individuals and populations, nor do you understand the difference between a sex-ed manual and a political diatribe. Right on the money. I was going to respond to her, but after reading this I don't see the point. You can expect further jockeying and fabrications to follow. AJ's whole MO is about making false claims and then refusing to take responsibility when she's challenged. Jade
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December 10th, 2003, 07:13 PM
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Fat people, get real
"Brandon Berg" wrote in message news:QNxBb.295531$Dw6.991090@attbi_s02...
"A J Davenport" wrote in message om... And by stating that you show rather narrow focus. The point is that crap Fumento spews is not balanced. Balanced in the sense of containing truth and falsehood in equal measures? No, balanced as in not forcing his agenda by ignoring the facts when they don't conform to reality. You know, like REAL news reporting. AJ Because, somebody has to be the Diva!
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December 10th, 2003, 07:13 PM
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Fat people, get real
Daedalus wrote in message . ..
On 9 Dec 2003 11:06:26 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: Daedalus wrote in message . .. On 8 Dec 2003 12:36:55 -0800, (A J Davenport), wrote: (ADP) wrote in message ... http://archive.salon.com/sept97/news/news970912.html STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. Fat people, get real! ---------------------------------------- STOP THE INSANITY, GET OUT OF THE ZONE. AND DON'T, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL YOURSELF IT'S OK TO BE OBESE. BY LORI LEIBOVICH | it's one of the great American paradoxes. The more we snatch up diet books, ab busters and fen-phen, the fatter we get. Approximately one-third of adult Americans are overweight. Fatness -- more politely known as obesity -- results in hundreds of thousands of deaths each year from heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and cancer. Last year, a spate of "fat acceptance" books made us feel a little better about our pear-shaped physiques. All of a sudden, anti-diet authors fed us the tasty news: You can be fit and fat. Enter Michael Fumento. Gee, would this be the same Michael Fumento who claims that hetrosexuals don't get AIDS? Why am I not surprised to find you, yet again, distorting the truth to give your own position more credibility? Quotes directly from the horses ass: AIDS: Are Heterosexuals at Risk? By Michael Fumento Commentary Magazine, November 1987 Copyright 1987 Commentary Magazine http://www.fumento.com/img1/fumentoglobe.gif In fact, the risk to the male, or penetrating, partner of acquiring AIDS in vaginal intercourse is so small that this alone could be enough to prevent any substantial heterosexual spread of the disease. Women, in other words, act as a "firebreak" against the spread of the virus. The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: The Hazard of Using Misiniformation to Restore Morality By Michael Fumento Crisis Magazine, October 1988 Copyright 1988 by Crisis Magazine http://www.fumento.com/hetmyth.html 10 years after the first heterosexual AIDS cases began showing up in New York City, remains confined almost exclusively to homosexuals, intravenous (IV) drug abusers, recipients of blood products prior to 1986, and their steady sexual partners. End quotes: Looks a lot like denial of heterosexual AIDS to me. Tripe like this, ignores the rampant spread of AIDS in places like China, Africa and India where the rise is primarily among the Heterosexual population. No where does it say, heterosexuals can't get AIDS. While I might not agree with his erroneous perceptions (I'm only looking at the quote you provided), it still appears as though you distorted the truth. Good I'm glad you are objective enough to see his erroneous perceptions. I urge you to go to the web site and read his opinons. I think you'll find his agenda is suspect at best. Is your whole life a self contrivance designed to make you feel better about yourself? Actually I think you may be confusing your modus operandi with mine. I see. I'm a bully because I challenge your ridiculously spurious claims. Thanks for supporting my argument. There you go, thinking that I feel victimized by you simply because I disagree with your view. It never ceases to amuse me how often you and your friends come to this conclusion, yet never see that your whining about FA could be seen in exactly the same light. Classic projection! AJ Because, somebody has to be the Diva!
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