Fear and Bloating in San Diego (yeast infection, looking for a diet)

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

I wonder if anyone knows what to eat, what not to eat during such bad
time.

And also, for how long should it last, and what products are
absolutely out, and what products could be consumed in small
quantities?

I tried the search, but it's so spammed with all these magical
pills...

One of the things I heard was that yogurt is used as a bacterial
substitute of yeast fungus. However, yogurt contains sugar, which is
what fungus likes a lot. This makes me confused.

try eating plain live yogurt (no added sugar, just milk and bacteria)
and/or taking acidopholus capsules. ask your doc for a diflucan
prescription, too, it'll knock out most yeast infections in most
people with just one or two tablets.

On 28 Jun 2004 19:13:12 -0700, (Office Drone)
wrote:

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

"Office Drone" wrote in message
m...
Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

Yeast is considered a healthful food supplement.

Drink your own urine.

In article ,
"no useful info" wrote:

"Office Drone" wrote in message
m...
Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

Yeast is considered a healthful food supplement.

Drink your own urine.



that would certainly explain your odd behaviour

On 28 Jun 2004 19:13:12 -0700, (Office Drone)
wrote:

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

I wonder if anyone knows what to eat, what not to eat during such bad
time.



The cause of your bloating is not due to yeast as yeast cannot survive
in your gut.

The chances are you are eating some vegan health food that actually
does not agree with you, something with beans, legumes, soy or gluten.
I sense that you are one of those people who believe that these foods
are very "healthy" and you stuff yourself with them.

I'll avoid theorizing on the mechanisms (you wouldn't believe how
hostile people with different theories on foods can get) other than
say that the gut bacteria find the abovementioned stuff wonderful
substrates and bloom. In the process you get gas that causes the
bloating, and perhaps even stomach pains.

This may also occur. The bloating pulls on the beltline and causes
inexplicable lower back pain. When I fixed my food problem the
disappearance of the lower back pain was one of the most surprising
and ridiculous associations in the whole sorry tale.

Try eating very plain food for a week or two. My remedy, and it has
become my regular and preferred diet, is to boil fresh meat (beef,
pork, chicken or fish) in rice broth or Chinese noodles. Do not use
instant noodles. Throw in a few carrots, onions and leafy vegetables.
What little fat I need, and this is an essential nutrient, comes with
the meat. I don't use shortening. I take no more than 1/2 teaspoon of
salt a day. Don't use any sauces for they have a soy or corn flour
base plus lots of salt. Avoid all processed food be it from a can or
from the deli. I take vitamins only once a week in case my diet is
short on some.

The first priority now is to establish a baseline of foods that give
you the least dietary discomforts. Only you can determine what is
suitable for yourself. I find that fresh meat and plain rice
actually taste delicious and far more satisfying than fancy cooking.
Then bring back the dishes you like and enjoy. Be alert to anything
in that dish causes bloating. Try to narrow down and identify the
ingredient that causes the problem and exclude them from your diet.

At this point carbs in western meals are based around wheat flour,
pasta or potatoes. I have to avoid wheat, pasta and have to restrict
my intake on taters. I'm lucky I like rice. Therefore if you have to
have wheat products or pasta (high in gluten) or potatoes you will
have to figure out if they affect your well-being and how to deal with
it.

If that plain food regimen does seem to improve your condition be on
the alert for foods that cause an itchy throat, swollen tongue, a
feeling of thirst, or a mild buzz in the stomach. The symptoms mean
there is a slight inflammation of the mucosal membranes and this can
be associated with dietary miscues that end up as subtle food
problems. At the present time, with all your dietary problems, you
probably will have not noticed these symptoms.

You will notice I didn't recommend any particular food to eat. First
understand that there is no such thing as a must-eat food. There will
always be substitutes. Next, humans really need very little variety
to maintain good health. People in a coma can live quite well for
years being fed from a drip bottle.

Throw away all those books about particular foods that will give long
life, improve your sex, make you strong, cure cancer, etc. Eating
cannot confer any of these attributes. You had learned in high school
science that our body needs proteins, carbs, fats, minerals and
vitamins. In your gut all foods have to be digesed to this molecular
state before the body can use them. At this level the body cannot
tell what they came from. Paying big for special foods is a waste of
money. Paying big for a tasty cut is a different matter.

Therefore if you have food problems the strategy is to establish a
baseline of foods that give you the least problems and use that for
your regular meals.

I love my meals routine as it is very easy and quick to prepare. Food
no longer puts demands on my attention or time. It's wonderful to be
carefree to do other activities that make a day enjoyable. In
retrospect the most significant benefit I experienced is the ability
to enjoy a deep and restful sleep. My sleep problem was the most
destructive problem and had plagued me for years.

When it comes to food we still need variety if its only because we
cannot eat the bland stuff every day. By all means go knock yourself
out in a good restaurant once in a while. You won't die but you will
likely have to bear food induced problems for a day or two. The happy
state now is that you can satisfy a strong urge and you are fully
aware of the consequences and how long it will last. That allows you
to work around the urge to eat a favorite dish that isn't exactly good
for you. Having satisfied a strong food urge it's easy to go without
for some time. The intervals become longer and the additional benefit
is that I don't spend that much in restaurant foods anymore.

I just realized that I had answered your request for "a cheap diet to
beat the internal yeast infection /disbacteriosis" too.

(Office Drone) wrote:

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

I wonder if anyone knows what to eat, what not to eat during such bad
time.

And also, for how long should it last, and what products are
absolutely out, and what products could be consumed in small
quantities?

I tried the search, but it's so spammed with all these magical
pills...

One of the things I heard was that yogurt is used as a bacterial
substitute of yeast fungus. However, yogurt contains sugar, which is
what fungus likes a lot. This makes me confused.

Dysbacteriosis isn't a term used much in the U.S., however candida is a
catch-all that sort of covers the same ground. True dysbacteriosis is almost
impossible in adults. The stool of an adult is almost entirely composed of
bacteria and bacterial waste, and the normal bacteria in the average gut weighs
a couple of pounds or more. Unless the person has diarrhea with undigested
food, dysbacteriosis is very unlikely.

There are a number of different bacteria that must live in the gut. We get
them introduced as children, through the normal messy habit of sticking all
sorts of dirty things in our mouths. Kittens, puppies, and other animals eat
poop to get their digestive systems inoculated with bacteria, but the risk of
humans doing this and getting intestinal parasites is too great, so probiotics,
fresh fermented items, and raw fruits and vegetables are used instead by
adults. The balance between various bacteria strains in the gut occurs
normally but can get knocked out of kilter by antibiotics, odd diets,
dysfunction and disease.

When the bacteria and yeast get out of balance in the gut, there can be
discomfort and other problems. The simplest is excessive farting by a person
who suddenly decides to eat a lot of beans. The tiredness and bad feeling
related to candida is said to be a by-product of the aldehyde waste product of
the candida yeast. Aldehydes also can be present in the bloodstream from
alcohol consumption.

Diet wise, you may find that you have sensitivities to certain foods. Anything
you crave is suspect. Eat simply, and keep a food log of what you eat. Food
reactions can occur from five minutes after eating a food to a full day later.
Generally, strong reactions occur within half an hour to two hours. If you
suspect a bad reaction, test the food again a couple of times. Eliminate the
foods that cause the reactions. Sugary products are considered no-noes on a
anti-candida diet, and some people say the rush when first entering the atkins
diet is because the candida population drops from the lack of sweets and carbs
that support the yeast.

In general, garlic is a cheap and effective method of reducing some of the less
desirable bacteria and yeasts. A small whole clove swallowed once or twice a
day can do wonders - however, there can be what is called a hexemer reaction,
where there is a sudden die-off of yeast; what appears to be a reaction to the
garlic is actually a passing reaction to the yeast die-off. Starting with
small amounts of garlic and working up can prevent the sudden die-off reaction.

Probiotics can work, but many of them are inactive or underpowered, either from
manufacture or improper storage. Jarro and Garden of Life are generally OK,
but you may need to take much more in a dose than the recommended dose. In my
opinion, once you have introduced the probiotic bacteria, they should be able
to live on their own unless your diet is poor.

Caprillic acid, grapefruit seed extract, and pancreatic enzymes are all used to
control candida. All seem to work well, and rotating them can work even
better.

Stomach ills can be caused by other more serious problems, and a check by an
allopathic (standard western medicine) physician for liver problems, gall
bladder disease, and other basic problems is prudent.

A sensible diet and some variations of the above usually makes a positive
difference. Cravings and comfort foods can sabatoge that.

This is very good advice. Depending upon the individuality of your heredity,
you may not be able to obtain optimal nutrition without meat. And you may
have allergies, or simply needs for amino acid building-block compounds,
that are absent in a vegan diet that would maintain someone else in health.

Compromise on what your philosophy tells you to eat.

And if meat bothers you, season with extra urine to taste.


"KLM" wrote in message
...
On 28 Jun 2004 19:13:12 -0700, (Office Drone)
wrote:

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

I wonder if anyone knows what to eat, what not to eat during such bad
time.



The cause of your bloating is not due to yeast as yeast cannot survive
in your gut.

The chances are you are eating some vegan health food that actually
does not agree with you, something with beans, legumes, soy or gluten.
I sense that you are one of those people who believe that these foods
are very "healthy" and you stuff yourself with them.

I'll avoid theorizing on the mechanisms (you wouldn't believe how
hostile people with different theories on foods can get) other than
say that the gut bacteria find the abovementioned stuff wonderful
substrates and bloom. In the process you get gas that causes the
bloating, and perhaps even stomach pains.

This may also occur. The bloating pulls on the beltline and causes
inexplicable lower back pain. When I fixed my food problem the
disappearance of the lower back pain was one of the most surprising
and ridiculous associations in the whole sorry tale.

Try eating very plain food for a week or two. My remedy, and it has
become my regular and preferred diet, is to boil fresh meat (beef,
pork, chicken or fish) in rice broth or Chinese noodles. Do not use
instant noodles. Throw in a few carrots, onions and leafy vegetables.
What little fat I need, and this is an essential nutrient, comes with
the meat. I don't use shortening. I take no more than 1/2 teaspoon of
salt a day. Don't use any sauces for they have a soy or corn flour
base plus lots of salt. Avoid all processed food be it from a can or
from the deli. I take vitamins only once a week in case my diet is
short on some.

The first priority now is to establish a baseline of foods that give
you the least dietary discomforts. Only you can determine what is
suitable for yourself. I find that fresh meat and plain rice
actually taste delicious and far more satisfying than fancy cooking.
Then bring back the dishes you like and enjoy. Be alert to anything
in that dish causes bloating. Try to narrow down and identify the
ingredient that causes the problem and exclude them from your diet.

At this point carbs in western meals are based around wheat flour,
pasta or potatoes. I have to avoid wheat, pasta and have to restrict
my intake on taters. I'm lucky I like rice. Therefore if you have to
have wheat products or pasta (high in gluten) or potatoes you will
have to figure out if they affect your well-being and how to deal with
it.

If that plain food regimen does seem to improve your condition be on
the alert for foods that cause an itchy throat, swollen tongue, a
feeling of thirst, or a mild buzz in the stomach. The symptoms mean
there is a slight inflammation of the mucosal membranes and this can
be associated with dietary miscues that end up as subtle food
problems. At the present time, with all your dietary problems, you
probably will have not noticed these symptoms.

You will notice I didn't recommend any particular food to eat. First
understand that there is no such thing as a must-eat food. There will
always be substitutes. Next, humans really need very little variety
to maintain good health. People in a coma can live quite well for
years being fed from a drip bottle.

Throw away all those books about particular foods that will give long
life, improve your sex, make you strong, cure cancer, etc. Eating
cannot confer any of these attributes. You had learned in high school
science that our body needs proteins, carbs, fats, minerals and
vitamins. In your gut all foods have to be digesed to this molecular
state before the body can use them. At this level the body cannot
tell what they came from. Paying big for special foods is a waste of
money. Paying big for a tasty cut is a different matter.

Therefore if you have food problems the strategy is to establish a
baseline of foods that give you the least problems and use that for
your regular meals.

I love my meals routine as it is very easy and quick to prepare. Food
no longer puts demands on my attention or time. It's wonderful to be
carefree to do other activities that make a day enjoyable. In
retrospect the most significant benefit I experienced is the ability
to enjoy a deep and restful sleep. My sleep problem was the most
destructive problem and had plagued me for years.

When it comes to food we still need variety if its only because we
cannot eat the bland stuff every day. By all means go knock yourself
out in a good restaurant once in a while. You won't die but you will
likely have to bear food induced problems for a day or two. The happy
state now is that you can satisfy a strong urge and you are fully
aware of the consequences and how long it will last. That allows you
to work around the urge to eat a favorite dish that isn't exactly good
for you. Having satisfied a strong food urge it's easy to go without
for some time. The intervals become longer and the additional benefit
is that I don't spend that much in restaurant foods anymore.

I just realized that I had answered your request for "a cheap diet to
beat the internal yeast infection /disbacteriosis" too.

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In article ,
"no useful info" wrote:

This is very good advice. Depending upon the individuality of your heredity,
you may not be able to obtain optimal nutrition without meat. And you may
have allergies, or simply needs for amino acid building-block compounds,
that are absent in a vegan diet that would maintain someone else in health.

Compromise on what your philosophy tells you to eat.

And if meat bothers you, season with extra urine to taste.


"KLM" wrote in message
...
On 28 Jun 2004 19:13:12 -0700, (Office Drone)
wrote:

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

I wonder if anyone knows what to eat, what not to eat during such bad
time.

"no useful info" wrote in message
...

"Office Drone" wrote in message
m...
Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

Yeast is considered a healthful food supplement.

Drink your own urine.

Do you take it with a an olive or an onion?

Michelle
Italy

Really disgusting, but very interesting and informative.
Michelle
Italy

wrote in message
...
(Office Drone) wrote:

Looking for a cheap diet to beat the internal yeast infection /
disbacteriosis

I wonder if anyone knows what to eat, what not to eat during such bad
time.

And also, for how long should it last, and what products are
absolutely out, and what products could be consumed in small
quantities?

I tried the search, but it's so spammed with all these magical
pills...

One of the things I heard was that yogurt is used as a bacterial
substitute of yeast fungus. However, yogurt contains sugar, which is
what fungus likes a lot. This makes me confused.

Dysbacteriosis isn't a term used much in the U.S., however candida is a
catch-all that sort of covers the same ground. True dysbacteriosis is
almost
impossible in adults. The stool of an adult is almost entirely composed
of
bacteria and bacterial waste, and the normal bacteria in the average gut
weighs
a couple of pounds or more. Unless the person has diarrhea with
undigested
food, dysbacteriosis is very unlikely.

There are a number of different bacteria that must live in the gut. We
get
them introduced as children, through the normal messy habit of sticking
all
sorts of dirty things in our mouths. Kittens, puppies, and other
animals eat
poop to get their digestive systems inoculated with bacteria, but the
risk of
humans doing this and getting intestinal parasites is too great, so
probiotics,
fresh fermented items, and raw fruits and vegetables are used instead by
adults. The balance between various bacteria strains in the gut occurs
normally but can get knocked out of kilter by antibiotics, odd diets,
dysfunction and disease.

When the bacteria and yeast get out of balance in the gut, there can be
discomfort and other problems. The simplest is excessive farting by a
person
who suddenly decides to eat a lot of beans. The tiredness and bad
feeling
related to candida is said to be a by-product of the aldehyde waste
product of
the candida yeast. Aldehydes also can be present in the bloodstream
from
alcohol consumption.

Diet wise, you may find that you have sensitivities to certain foods.
Anything
you crave is suspect. Eat simply, and keep a food log of what you eat.
Food
reactions can occur from five minutes after eating a food to a full day
later.
Generally, strong reactions occur within half an hour to two hours. If
you
suspect a bad reaction, test the food again a couple of times.
Eliminate the
foods that cause the reactions. Sugary products are considered no-noes
on a
anti-candida diet, and some people say the rush when first entering the
atkins
diet is because the candida population drops from the lack of sweets and
carbs
that support the yeast.

In general, garlic is a cheap and effective method of reducing some of
the less
desirable bacteria and yeasts. A small whole clove swallowed once or
twice a
day can do wonders - however, there can be what is called a hexemer
reaction,
where there is a sudden die-off of yeast; what appears to be a reaction
to the
garlic is actually a passing reaction to the yeast die-off. Starting
with
small amounts of garlic and working up can prevent the sudden die-off
reaction.

Probiotics can work, but many of them are inactive or underpowered,
either from
manufacture or improper storage. Jarro and Garden of Life are generally
OK,
but you may need to take much more in a dose than the recommended dose.
In my
opinion, once you have introduced the probiotic bacteria, they should be
able
to live on their own unless your diet is poor.

Caprillic acid, grapefruit seed extract, and pancreatic enzymes are all
used to
control candida. All seem to work well, and rotating them can work even
better.

Stomach ills can be caused by other more serious problems, and a check
by an
allopathic (standard western medicine) physician for liver problems,
gall
bladder disease, and other basic problems is prudent.

A sensible diet and some variations of the above usually makes a
positive
difference. Cravings and comfort foods can sabatoge that.