Weight Loss Forum Is Plagerizing Our Posts From ASDLC

I just posted this in response to Sid's (sprudil) post pinging me, but
am reposting it under it's own subject line to bring more attention to
it.

In article sckDe.1465$%K2.187@pd7tw1no, says...
See what I mean about ASDLC posts appearing on tthe web forum look at your
weekly tips.

http://www.weight-loss-guide.net/for...-low-carb-tips

I see what you mean! They took my post and posted it as their OWN. Oh,
it has my name on it, but it says I'm posting as a "guest" and there is
no indication WHATSOEVER that it originates in ASDLC. It makes it
APPEAR that I posted directly to their forum and that I endorse and
participate in it, which is an outright LIE. THAT ****es me off.
That's like hijackware, which has been in the news lately whereby
advertisers basically STEAL space on a legitimate website and REPLACE
that website's ads with their OWN.

At the bottom of the forum page, since I have not joined their forum, it
says:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Excuse me? They can take my words and post them there without my
permission and I have no say about it? I beg to differ.

I sent email to the anonymous " telling them
to remove my posts. After looking up the domain registration, I also
sent one directly to the domain owner (see below). Their site may or
may not be useful, but I have no wish to be affiliated with anything
that a) advertises, or b) uses such deceptive and underhanded tactics as
that. If they want to posts links or even post the entire posts with an
indication that it originated in ASDLC, that's one thing, but it's quite
another to post it under their own umbrella as if it originated THERE.

They aren't just showing our posts -- they are STEALING them.

The domain is registered to:

Russell, Ryan
11800 braesview apt 4808
san antonio, Texas 78213
United States
2107891038

--
Saffire
205/135/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

x-no-archive: yes

Saffire wrote:
I just posted this in response to Sid's (sprudil) post pinging me, but
am reposting it under it's own subject line to bring more attention to
it.

Not to get you more fired up, but there's more than one forum doing
this, I learned about a year ago.

talkabout.com or somesuch archives just about everything you post to usenet.

Susan

Saffire wrote:
I just posted this in response to Sid's (sprudil) post pinging me, but
am reposting it under it's own subject line to bring more attention to
it.

In article sckDe.1465$%K2.187@pd7tw1no, says...

See what I mean about ASDLC posts appearing on tthe web forum look at your
weekly tips.

http://www.weight-loss-guide.net/for...-low-carb-tips


I see what you mean! They took my post and posted it as their OWN. Oh,
it has my name on it, but it says I'm posting as a "guest" and there is
no indication WHATSOEVER that it originates in ASDLC. It makes it
APPEAR that I posted directly to their forum and that I endorse and
participate in it, which is an outright LIE. THAT ****es me off.
That's like hijackware, which has been in the news lately whereby
advertisers basically STEAL space on a legitimate website and REPLACE
that website's ads with their OWN.

At the bottom of the forum page, since I have not joined their forum, it
says:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Excuse me? They can take my words and post them there without my
permission and I have no say about it? I beg to differ.

I sent email to the anonymous " telling them
to remove my posts. After looking up the domain registration, I also
sent one directly to the domain owner (see below). Their site may or
may not be useful, but I have no wish to be affiliated with anything
that a) advertises, or b) uses such deceptive and underhanded tactics as
that. If they want to posts links or even post the entire posts with an
indication that it originated in ASDLC, that's one thing, but it's quite
another to post it under their own umbrella as if it originated THERE.


When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

Will McGugan
http://www.kelpiesoft.com

In article ,
Will McGugan wrote:

When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

No, nothing is in the public domain unless you specifically put it
there. For someone to profit from the use of my Usenet posts is
infringement on my copyright.
--
D.F. Manno

"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream
will never die."

Quoting D.F. Manno:
Will McGugan wrote:

When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

No, nothing is in the public domain unless you specifically put it
there. For someone to profit from the use of my Usenet posts is
infringement on my copyright.

What are your feelings on Google Groups ?

In article ,
Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious wrote:

Quoting D.F. Manno:
Will McGugan wrote:

When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

No, nothing is in the public domain unless you specifically put it
there. For someone to profit from the use of my Usenet posts is
infringement on my copyright.

What are your feelings on Google Groups ?

You don't see an x-no-archive header on my post, do you?
--
D.F. Manno

"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream
will never die."

Quoting D.F. Manno:
Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious wrote:
Quoting D.F. Manno:
Will McGugan wrote:

When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

No, nothing is in the public domain unless you specifically put it
there. For someone to profit from the use of my Usenet posts is
infringement on my copyright.

What are your feelings on Google Groups ?

You don't see an x-no-archive header on my post, do you?

Does this mean that you don't have a problem with Google (which is a
for-profit enterprise selling/generating ads based on post content)
archiving your posts, yet you have problems with other sites doing
essentially the same thing? If so, what do you see as the difference?

Or does your statement mean that you don't really care either way, and
were just passing on information earlier?

Suze wrote:
Quoting D.F. Manno:
Will McGugan wrote:

When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

No, nothing is in the public domain unless you specifically put it
there. For someone to profit from the use of my Usenet posts is
infringement on my copyright.

What are your feelings on Google Groups ?

On Google I am not listed as "Guest" no matter what server
I use to post from. So long as I remain listed as the
original author, I'm happy for my postings to be echoed to
assorted forums and archived.

I've been on UseNet since the 1980s and some of my oldest
archived postings are ones that got echoed to mailing lists
and later posted to archives. It's been done for a very
long time.

The problems with this particular two-way gateway a

1) Guest listing, not exactly certain how bothered I am
since I could register just as I have registered at Google.

2) A flood of new users who don't appear to have been
given any training on the difference between UseNet and
a bulletin board. ASDLC is NOT a bulletin board and
postings to it should NOT be treated like it is. The
rules are different. UseNet expects folks to read the
FAQ file, to be willing to read answers, to quote portions
of the text being responded to and such.

"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
oups.com...
2) A flood of new users who don't appear to have been
given any training on the difference between UseNet and
a bulletin board. ASDLC is NOT a bulletin board and
postings to it should NOT be treated like it is. The
rules are different. UseNet expects folks to read the
FAQ file, to be willing to read answers, to quote portions
of the text being responded to and such.

I look at it the same way I look at people wanting privacy when they walk
down the street: you're already out there, privacy is a moot point. I just
assume that once I post anything anywhere on the 'net, it might as well be
public domain, for all the control I have over those words once they're out
there - especially in the very public internet area of usenet with feeds
going out everywhere. And I post accordingly.

That there isn't moderation on this newsgroup means anybody can post from
anywhere - including these intrusive boards. Which isn't saying I like it
of course...only that it's a fact of the 'net over which I have no control
and therefore don't want to stress over...even while I empathize with those
who are upset about it sigh...

--
Sherry
364/315/195
http://lowcarb.owly.net

Quoting Doug Freyburger:
Suze wrote:
Quoting D.F. Manno:
Will McGugan wrote:

When you post on newsgroups, the text gets sent to numerous news servers
around the world, to mailing lists, and to web forums. You have to
consider your words to be in the public domain, even if someone else
seems to be profiting from them.

No, nothing is in the public domain unless you specifically put it
there. For someone to profit from the use of my Usenet posts is
infringement on my copyright.

What are your feelings on Google Groups ?

On Google I am not listed as "Guest" no matter what server
I use to post from. So long as I remain listed as the
original author, I'm happy for my postings to be echoed to
assorted forums and archived.

I've been on UseNet since the 1980s and some of my oldest
archived postings are ones that got echoed to mailing lists
and later posted to archives. It's been done for a very
long time.

The problems with this particular two-way gateway a

1) Guest listing, not exactly certain how bothered I am
since I could register just as I have registered at Google.

True enough. And, although you -could- register, why would you even
want to?

Personally, I'm not particularly bothered by it. I think it's all so
much hand waving and high horse riding as far as complaining about the
downloading of our posts 'for profit' goes -- especially as Google has
been doing substantially the same thing for quite some time now.

For example, when I pull this particular thread up in Groups (beta),
it is 'selling' three ads -- one promising you can lose 9 pounds in 11
days, one for an inventors site, and one for copyright registration.

However, the way this particular gateway -uploaded- posts from their
board may constitute some sort of net abuse (by the RFCs or whatever)
as posts were not properly formatted or threaded. The content of some
of them is also obviously several months old.

2) A flood of new users who don't appear to have been
given any training on the difference between UseNet and
a bulletin board. ASDLC is NOT a bulletin board and
postings to it should NOT be treated like it is. The
rules are different. UseNet expects folks to read the
FAQ file, to be willing to read answers, to quote portions
of the text being responded to and such.

By the same token, Google Groups is also contributing to similar sorts
of problems in terms of providing posting access to many that don't
(or can't be bothered to) understand the differences.