nyny not too bad

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
The nasty area homes is really a shame. I have heard a lot of nightmare
stories,
had somewhat of an idea what to look for when trying to place mom (my
sister is
also a nurse). Guess we just got lucky, but did opt for a much older,
smaller and
established home that was within 2 blocks of where we grew up. Nursing
staff
turnover is very, very low ... which I also take as a good sign. I did
look on
some website at nursing home ratings, this one appeared (to me) to score
very
well. Again, just plain ol' dumb luck.

****This sounds like you have a wonderful place for your Mom. I think part
of our problem is the culture here. Very "old mexico" in a way. This is
both very very Good, and not so good. I am Expected to do what I am doing.
The families take care of their own. The people in the nursing homes,
either have no family to speak of, or are judged by a lot of people as
having "bad" families. Well over 2/3 of the nurses in the nursing homes are
from Canada or some other country. And hate it here. The other third are
people who cannot get a job anywhere else in the country.

I'm sorry your mom won't let you leave her sight, that has to be tough.
It's not
like we don't lay enough guilt on ourselves - sure don't need anyone else
helping
in that department. G Is the meanness just part of the disease?

*****I take it with a grain of salt and go out anyway when I need to, but it
is a consideration. I am going out tomorrow afternoon. She will do what
she does (either act like, or genuinely get really confused). She will
forget the whole thing by Saturday morning ! Meanness is supposed to be
part of the disease, or at least profound personality changes. My Ma was
always very sarcastic with me, and we never got along. She was "horrified"
by my weight. My sister and she were both very tiny and petite. When Ma
first began getting this, she became very afraid and was suddenly extremely
"NICE" to me, which believe me, was icky. Now she is beginning to go back
to mean, and frankly I am more comfortable with that.

I've heard
others speak of the same thing. I haven't noticed any out of the ordinary
meanness on my mom's part - but she was always a nasty cuss when things
didn't go
according to HER plan. G

Maybe the woman you found will let you run away for a few days. Ahhhhh,
is always
good to dream.

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:50:13 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

oh hoo boy. She would really pitch a fit. She pitches a fit when I am
out
of her sight for an afternoon. I do have a line on a lady who helps a
friend of mine who had a stroke. This lady will come and stay here if I
want to take off for some reason. The homes/facilities in this area are
really not good. As a nurse, I know. Horror stories. When I worked the
med/surg floor at the local hospital they would come in with all kinds of
problems that we knew were caused by the environment.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Do you have any homes/facilities in your area that you could place your
mom for
just a few days? We have a few near me, my uncle used them
occassionally
for his
wife. He had no one that could come into his home to stay with her for
extended
periods, and she was unable to care for herself at all. His choice was
to
give up
his life totally (which he was more than willing to do) or seek out
alternatives
(at our prodding). After the first 3 day week-end away, he found that
she
was
very well cared for, contented ... and he was much more relaxed. After
that he
forced himself to do it twice a year - and was able to what he really
enjoyed and
missed ... old army type conventions.

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Oh the bliss envisioned by a mental picture of me, the tent, the
space,
the
silence, the Lack of anyone, anywhere..... We are having some trouble
in
paradise here with my daughter that has me a bit freaked. I so want
to
run
away from home. I gotta find some help with the home caregiving thing
so
I
can take off once in a while, or things are going to be not good here.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Okay. Be that way. Happy camper, huh - try snow camping (G)

Chaos - hope you get it under control.

Fred

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:11:03 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I don't want no blinkin gifts buddy.... Snarl. (how was that?)
you
do
know of course that if I get to Jan 1, under 164 I am a total happy
camper?
But It would be nice to have some space. But heck, things are a
little
chaotic here in humid land, I dunno what will transpire.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, this morning was not as good as hoped.

But you really have a great chance in about two weeks - we have
our
work "employee recognition breakfast" early the morning of WI. I
will
be dressed in jacket, tie, slacks, etc and will have breakfast
and
then head to WI! Not a great situtation unless I can sit with
300
others eating breakfast and NOT eat breakfast!

But maybe it is time to just let you have it as I would really
hate
to
be the one to drive you to desparation. Besides, some others are
now
giving you a run for the money.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:45:52 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Ah haha. You better be prepared to weigh in shorts I am having
a
very
good
week over here.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:54:18 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

What did you do with your NEW body while you were rollin
around
in
the
snow
with the OLD one? Or whats her name? would be the other
smart a
comment
to

Ah, the ol' "I did not wake up grumpy, I let her sleep!" (G)

Actually, the new body must be in pretty good shape - I
remember
doing
this trip last year and struggling a bit more. I was
surprised
at
how
early it was when I stopped for my SECOND lunch (G) Leaving
on
these
trips early - one tends to snack somewhere around 10am with
the
first
lunch and then eat again around noon.


that one. I am on a major roll this week feeling SOOOO
renewed
after
living
through turkey day and ending up with my scale saying 159
again.
I
am
gonna
be hard to beat this week, unless you kept some of your
fabulous
recent
loss.........

I do hope I can disappoint you!!! I seem to be holding
reasonably
well (fingers crossed). Maybe thanksgiving and awful pies
helps!!!
(G)

But clearly this means that I cannot weighin in full regalia.
It
will
be your fault as I shiver in shorts. (g)

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)

There is the culture thing here again, of course we don't have snow, but the
guy would have been surrounded by people all arguing over the best thing to
do within 30 seconds. I was driving down the street one evening and a guy
on a motorcycle just literally fell off the thing in front of the car in
front of mine. The guy in THAT car got out and as soon as he heard I was a
nurse, and that I had called 911 on my cell phone he got into the street and
began directing traffic. Two other nurses stopped to help before the
ambulance got there. The guy was totally drunk, our only job was to keep
him lying down until they arrived. Once when Ma overbalanced in a grocery
store parking lot and sat down hard on her butt, I had about 30 people offer
to help while I was assessing her, before getting her up again.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Oh how funny! I do know how frustrating it could be though, but still
would be
hard to control the laughter. My brothers have no patience for the
constant
repitition - asking same questions over and over, within minutes of
getting an
answer. I've given up trying to explain that she isn't doing it on
purpose, now
just tell them she does it to pull their chains. Currently she is focused
on her
glasses ... constantly tells all of us she needs new glasses, that the
pair she is
wearing are ones that someone gave to her years ago. I've told her the
changing
eyesight is due to cataracts, not quite ready to have anything done on
them yet.
Then she changes to needing to have knee replacement surgery ... again.
NOT gonna
happen - will not take the risk of the anesthtic. Do I have the fun
restaurant
games ahead of me? Right now mom is ok going out, and does love to go
(because
they don't feed her at the home, ya know. The only meals she gets are
those that
she sneaks into *office meetings* for). Yet she has put weight on, so go
figure.
g The only problem we have at restaurants is that she needs to have the
menu
read to her, tells me what she wants, then tells the waiter something
else. And
always complains about what she gets. LOL But she hasn't had a bad
desert yet!

That really is a shame as to the care and respect the elderly get in your
nursing
homes. I know I've told you, but I do feel we got incredibly lucky. The
staff
where mom is, is wonderful! Appears to be lots of hugs and genuine
caring, lots
of attempts at what I call ego-boosting - working on raising mom's level
of
self-esteem. Why does it vary so much from home to home?

While out shopping today, I had two senior ladies get lost in the store,
couldn't
find the elevator or their car. They didn't realize the store had two
levels and
two parking lots (both of which were totally packed). I overheard them
talking
and told them to just follow me as I was heading to the elevator. They
acted so
surprised that anyone would even give them the time of day ... chatted the
entire
time with me, and I walked them to the door leading to the upper parking
lot. Our
area is loaded with fast paced yuppies - rarely give the time of day to
seniors
and have no patience for them. Help? That's a foreign concept. Heck,
last year
I saw a wheelchair man tip over when coming out of his home - laid face
down in
the snow and ice. I was the only car to stop and try to help. The guy
told me he
was bleeding and I shouldn't help ... I told him I didn't care, we had to
get him
out of the snow ... at least his face. Called the police when I realized
he was
just too darned heavy for me to do anything (guess it was dead weight
since he
couldn't assist me at all). I still am dumbfounded that not one other
person
stopped ... but all didn't hesitate to slow down and gawk as they drove
past.

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:54:16 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote:

Yes, she had put one on, then another over it. I got her to come away by
telling her they were "mens" coats (they were). I usually walk her in
the
mall when it is not open yet? And she gripes the whole way "nothing is
open, this is boring, why are we here" and I tell her "for Exercise!" and
she says "I don't need exercise" then a few steps farther and we do that
all
again...

It is really neat taking her out to eat. She loves loves loves to go,
but
will do things like put butter on her knife and lick it off, or put
tartar
sauce on her vegetables, or bread, and don't even let her slow down at
the
desserts in a cafeteria or she will pick up two or three and carry them.
As
in lift them off the plates.

One thing about our area, people really respect the elderly who are out
in
the community, and try to help. I don't know why it doesn't extend to
care
in the nursing homes.

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
Oh Lesanne, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. My mom is bugging
me
to take
her Christmas shopping, not sure how you do it cuz I'm sure not looking
forward to
taking her into a store. I know she will want to bring everything
home,
swears
she has no clothing and no food. sigh Was your mom putting one coat
on
top of
the other? hehehe guess sometimes you just gotta laugh, at least hope
you were
able to later. (My frustrations always turn very humorous when I can
finally
retell them ... like the missing underwear that was lovingly giftbagged
to
go to
my older brother)

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:25:45 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Oh, on a lighter note, Ma told me to "drop dead" out of the blue in a
store
yesterday. She is finally exhibiting some of the meanness I have
heard
about. I was trying to get her to walk, and she wanted to put on the
jackets she was standing near. As in two or three of them.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You have pictured the idylic nature of winter camping - very pure
and
very quiet.

I hope you can bring some of that serenity to whatever is happening.
Vacations from caregiving are mandatory - I recall spelling my dad
for
a week and did not know how he did it as long as he did. It was
also
when my sister and I made the decision that dad needed full relief
or
he would die first - it was that simple. Best

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Oh the bliss envisioned by a mental picture of me, the tent, the
space,
the
silence, the Lack of anyone, anywhere..... We are having some
trouble
in
paradise here with my daughter that has me a bit freaked. I so
want
to
run
away from home. I gotta find some help with the home caregiving
thing
so
I
can take off once in a while, or things are going to be not good
here.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Okay. Be that way. Happy camper, huh - try snow camping (G)

Chaos - hope you get it under control.

Fred

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:11:03 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

I don't want no blinkin gifts buddy.... Snarl. (how was that?)
you
do
know of course that if I get to Jan 1, under 164 I am a total
happy
camper?
But It would be nice to have some space. But heck, things are a
little
chaotic here in humid land, I dunno what will transpire.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, this morning was not as good as hoped.

But you really have a great chance in about two weeks - we
have
our
work "employee recognition breakfast" early the morning of WI.
I
will
be dressed in jacket, tie, slacks, etc and will have breakfast
and
then head to WI! Not a great situtation unless I can sit with
300
others eating breakfast and NOT eat breakfast!

But maybe it is time to just let you have it as I would really
hate
to
be the one to drive you to desparation. Besides, some others
are
now
giving you a run for the money.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:45:52 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Ah haha. You better be prepared to weigh in shorts I am
having
a
very
good
week over here.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:54:18 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

What did you do with your NEW body while you were rollin
around
in
the
snow
with the OLD one? Or whats her name? would be the other
smart a
comment
to

Ah, the ol' "I did not wake up grumpy, I let her sleep!"
(G)

Actually, the new body must be in pretty good shape - I
remember
doing
this trip last year and struggling a bit more. I was
surprised
at
how
early it was when I stopped for my SECOND lunch (G)
Leaving
on
these
trips early - one tends to snack somewhere around 10am with
the
first
lunch and then eat again around noon.


that one. I am on a major roll this week feeling SOOOO
renewed
after
living
through turkey day and ending up with my scale saying 159
again.
I
am
gonna
be hard to beat this week, unless you kept some of your
fabulous
recent
loss.........

I do hope I can disappoint you!!! I seem to be holding
reasonably
well (fingers crossed). Maybe thanksgiving and awful pies
helps!!!
(G)

But clearly this means that I cannot weighin in full
regalia.
It
will
be your fault as I shiver in shorts. (g)

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my
definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention
;-)

I don't think getting shot would be all that pleasant. But compared
to marriage .......

(g)

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:04:55 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Well, when I think about it seriously, getting shot is not such a bad thing,
frequently not terminal, especially here where peoples' aim is not all that
great. And I am a smaller target. You know what they say about the other,
you are not complete until you are married, then you are Really Finished.
Or the 3 ring thing.. Engagement ring, Wedding ring, SuffeRing...

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I have not heard that "statistic." Got your bullet proof vest yet?
(G)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:55:40 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

FRED! I was talking about MONEY WISE Good grief!
As In I don't need the old guys wallet . You know what they say
anyway,
after a woman is past 50 she is more likely to be shot in the U.S.A. than
she is to get married again. !

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .







(More silence....)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:22:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

tee hee, I just have this "father" thing I think. I can pretty much
take
care of myself. .

"Fred" wrote in message
news Oh, hoping for an inheritance? (gd&r)

Sorry but I just purchased cross-country ski set number 15, I think!
(G) Now I need some new bindings for them.....

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:14:30 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

There is THAT. or THOSE. Legs, that is...... Tell you what
though,
from
the advanced age of 55, since I do also love "older" men, Fred is
probably
too young for me.....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
hehehe - and we've seen the *leg* pics to prove that point!

Joyce


On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:14:37 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

GAAHHH. Quit teasing, I refuse to google it. And I have
parttimers,
which
is one reason I cleaned up the diet, hoping not to progress to
Alzheimers...
Just spit it out, how old can you be?
And don't think that your age will protect you, men tend to
improve
with
age
you know......

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Here's one hint - I have a friend who is 63 and he can hike me
into
the ground. And another who is over 70 and can, at least,
keep
up.

Actually, I believe that I have mentioned my age before in
some
thread
long ago and far away.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:47:31 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

hmmm the Fifth decade, or could you actually BE old, like 70
or
something.
Somehow I doubt it, you are too lively, although I did have a
friend
who
was
a tennis terror at 85.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it is time to resort to court stuff again - I plead
the
Fifth.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:56:55 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

So how old are you Fred? You don't Look old. You better
be
older
than I
am
if you are out there referring to yourself as OLD. Watch
it
now.

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my
definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention
;-)

exactly

"Fred" wrote in message
...
I don't think getting shot would be all that pleasant. But compared
to marriage .......

(g)

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:04:55 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Well, when I think about it seriously, getting shot is not such a bad
thing,
frequently not terminal, especially here where peoples' aim is not all
that
great. And I am a smaller target. You know what they say about the
other,
you are not complete until you are married, then you are Really Finished.
Or the 3 ring thing.. Engagement ring, Wedding ring, SuffeRing...

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I have not heard that "statistic." Got your bullet proof vest yet?
(G)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:55:40 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

FRED! I was talking about MONEY WISE Good grief!
As In I don't need the old guys wallet . You know what they say
anyway,
after a woman is past 50 she is more likely to be shot in the U.S.A.
than
she is to get married again. !

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .







(More silence....)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:22:51 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

tee hee, I just have this "father" thing I think. I can pretty
much
take
care of myself. .

"Fred" wrote in message
news Oh, hoping for an inheritance? (gd&r)

Sorry but I just purchased cross-country ski set number 15, I
think!
(G) Now I need some new bindings for them.....

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:14:30 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

There is THAT. or THOSE. Legs, that is...... Tell you what
though,
from
the advanced age of 55, since I do also love "older" men, Fred
is
probably
too young for me.....

"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .
hehehe - and we've seen the *leg* pics to prove that point!

Joyce


On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:14:37 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

GAAHHH. Quit teasing, I refuse to google it. And I have
parttimers,
which
is one reason I cleaned up the diet, hoping not to progress
to
Alzheimers...
Just spit it out, how old can you be?
And don't think that your age will protect you, men tend to
improve
with
age
you know......

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Here's one hint - I have a friend who is 63 and he can hike
me
into
the ground. And another who is over 70 and can, at least,
keep
up.

Actually, I believe that I have mentioned my age before in
some
thread
long ago and far away.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:47:31 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

hmmm the Fifth decade, or could you actually BE old, like
70
or
something.
Somehow I doubt it, you are too lively, although I did
have a
friend
who
was
a tennis terror at 85.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I guess it is time to resort to court stuff again - I
plead
the
Fifth.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:56:55 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

So how old are you Fred? You don't Look old. You
better
be
older
than I
am
if you are out there referring to yourself as OLD.
Watch
it
now.

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip
yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my
definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the
attention
;-)

I am not sure if you have this in your area or not, but when my dad was not
doing well and mom needed a break, they had an adult day care place that was
ran by the city I think. They would pick him up in the van and take him for
the day and then return him that afternoon. He was normally gone from about
9-3, but that was a nice break for mom to be able to go grocery shopping and
get her hair done and spend some time without having to constantly watch
dad. I think they had activities, and exercise and lunch served, I know dad
could never comment on how he liked it or not, but he seemed happy when he
returned and it was good for him to interact with others besides mom.

Debbie

"Lesanne" wrote in message
news
oh hoo boy. She would really pitch a fit. She pitches a fit when I am
out
of her sight for an afternoon. I do have a line on a lady who helps a
friend of mine who had a stroke. This lady will come and stay here if I
want to take off for some reason. The homes/facilities in this area are
really not good. As a nurse, I know. Horror stories. When I worked the
med/surg floor at the local hospital they would come in with all kinds of
problems that we knew were caused by the environment.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Do you have any homes/facilities in your area that you could place your
mom for
just a few days? We have a few near me, my uncle used them
occassionally
for his
wife. He had no one that could come into his home to stay with her for
extended
periods, and she was unable to care for herself at all. His choice was
to
give up
his life totally (which he was more than willing to do) or seek out
alternatives
(at our prodding). After the first 3 day week-end away, he found that
she
was
very well cared for, contented ... and he was much more relaxed. After
that he
forced himself to do it twice a year - and was able to what he really
enjoyed and
missed ... old army type conventions.

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Oh the bliss envisioned by a mental picture of me, the tent, the space,
the
silence, the Lack of anyone, anywhere..... We are having some trouble
in
paradise here with my daughter that has me a bit freaked. I so want to
run
away from home. I gotta find some help with the home caregiving thing
so
I
can take off once in a while, or things are going to be not good here.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Okay. Be that way. Happy camper, huh - try snow camping (G)

Chaos - hope you get it under control.

Fred

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:11:03 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I don't want no blinkin gifts buddy.... Snarl. (how was that?)
you
do
know of course that if I get to Jan 1, under 164 I am a total happy
camper?
But It would be nice to have some space. But heck, things are a
little
chaotic here in humid land, I dunno what will transpire.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, this morning was not as good as hoped.

But you really have a great chance in about two weeks - we have
our
work "employee recognition breakfast" early the morning of WI. I
will
be dressed in jacket, tie, slacks, etc and will have breakfast and
then head to WI! Not a great situtation unless I can sit with 300
others eating breakfast and NOT eat breakfast!

But maybe it is time to just let you have it as I would really
hate
to
be the one to drive you to desparation. Besides, some others are
now
giving you a run for the money.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:45:52 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Ah haha. You better be prepared to weigh in shorts I am having a
very
good
week over here.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:54:18 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

What did you do with your NEW body while you were rollin
around
in
the
snow
with the OLD one? Or whats her name? would be the other smart
a
comment
to

Ah, the ol' "I did not wake up grumpy, I let her sleep!" (G)

Actually, the new body must be in pretty good shape - I
remember
doing
this trip last year and struggling a bit more. I was surprised
at
how
early it was when I stopped for my SECOND lunch (G) Leaving on
these
trips early - one tends to snack somewhere around 10am with the
first
lunch and then eat again around noon.


that one. I am on a major roll this week feeling SOOOO
renewed
after
living
through turkey day and ending up with my scale saying 159
again.
I
am
gonna
be hard to beat this week, unless you kept some of your
fabulous
recent
loss.........

I do hope I can disappoint you!!! I seem to be holding
reasonably
well (fingers crossed). Maybe thanksgiving and awful pies
helps!!!
(G)

But clearly this means that I cannot weighin in full regalia.
It
will
be your fault as I shiver in shorts. (g)

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)

Fred,

Unfortunately the papers went out with the recyclables that were collected
this morning. I think the article said the fire hydrant was placed there
after Sept 11. I am not sure if it would be on the net or not. I checked
the archives at the local paper and apparently this was not worthy enough of
being there. They did say it was a dangerous walk, but was also in there
that there are people that are trying to restore/reroute the trail so it
would be more easily accessible.

Debbie

"Fred" wrote in message
...
Oh, that stupid peak that started out with a mail box (I had mail up
there for ages, apparently, but never made it). And now has a full
extension ladder and a real and HEAVY fire hydrant? No one quite
knows how the hydrant got up there (unless your article says) since it
is cast iron and very weighty.

A friend has always said it is too steep and might lead to injuries
whereas other friends have challenged me to do it. Being stubborn, I
do what I want - and am saving my knees.

Wonder if the article is on the web?

A friend sent me photos of the junk collection up there (G)

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:16:36 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Hey Fred,

I was reading and article in the travel section of my newspaper yesterday
and was wondering if you have ever been to Mailbox Peak in Washington,
apparently it is in the mountains outside of the Seattle area. I thought
of
you when reading it.

Debbie


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday. Glorious in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my definition of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)

That was the exact article.

Debbie

"Fred" wrote in message
...
If anybody is interested, here's a link with a photo:

http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/st...52903036.shtml

I guess the ladder was not up there yet.

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:16:36 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Hey Fred,

I was reading and article in the travel section of my newspaper yesterday
and was wondering if you have ever been to Mailbox Peak in Washington,
apparently it is in the mountains outside of the Seattle area. I thought
of
you when reading it.

Debbie


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday. Glorious in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my definition of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred
wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)

brock, brock, sounds of chicken feathers rustling... Lee
Fred wrote in message
...




(more silence)


On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:37:50 GMT, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

just exactly what are you letting her have, and are you sure she wants
it???
Lee, losing total control
Fred wrote in message
.. .
Well, this morning was not as good as hoped.

But you really have a great chance in about two weeks - we have our
work "employee recognition breakfast" early the morning of WI. I will
be dressed in jacket, tie, slacks, etc and will have breakfast and
then head to WI! Not a great situtation unless I can sit with 300
others eating breakfast and NOT eat breakfast!

But maybe it is time to just let you have it as I would really hate to
be the one to drive you to desparation. Besides, some others are now
giving you a run for the money.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:45:52 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Ah haha. You better be prepared to weigh in shorts I am having a very
good
week over here.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:54:18 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

What did you do with your NEW body while you were rollin around in
the
snow
with the OLD one? Or whats her name? would be the other smart a
comment
to

Ah, the ol' "I did not wake up grumpy, I let her sleep!" (G)

Actually, the new body must be in pretty good shape - I remember
doing
this trip last year and struggling a bit more. I was surprised at
how
early it was when I stopped for my SECOND lunch (G) Leaving on
these
trips early - one tends to snack somewhere around 10am with the
first
lunch and then eat again around noon.


that one. I am on a major roll this week feeling SOOOO renewed
after
living
through turkey day and ending up with my scale saying 159 again. I
am
gonna
be hard to beat this week, unless you kept some of your fabulous
recent
loss.........

I do hope I can disappoint you!!! I seem to be holding reasonably
well (fingers crossed). Maybe thanksgiving and awful pies helps!!!
(G)

But clearly this means that I cannot weighin in full regalia. It
will
be your fault as I shiver in shorts. (g)

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday. Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my definition of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)

thanks Debbie. We have not found one here that would be okay for her, but I
have gotten some numbers for some people who will come here for the day.

"Deb in Northern California" wrote in message
...
I am not sure if you have this in your area or not, but when my dad was
not
doing well and mom needed a break, they had an adult day care place that
was
ran by the city I think. They would pick him up in the van and take him
for
the day and then return him that afternoon. He was normally gone from
about
9-3, but that was a nice break for mom to be able to go grocery shopping
and
get her hair done and spend some time without having to constantly watch
dad. I think they had activities, and exercise and lunch served, I know
dad
could never comment on how he liked it or not, but he seemed happy when he
returned and it was good for him to interact with others besides mom.

Debbie

"Lesanne" wrote in message
news
oh hoo boy. She would really pitch a fit. She pitches a fit when I am
out
of her sight for an afternoon. I do have a line on a lady who helps a
friend of mine who had a stroke. This lady will come and stay here if I
want to take off for some reason. The homes/facilities in this area are
really not good. As a nurse, I know. Horror stories. When I worked
the
med/surg floor at the local hospital they would come in with all kinds
of
problems that we knew were caused by the environment.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Do you have any homes/facilities in your area that you could place
your
mom for
just a few days? We have a few near me, my uncle used them
occassionally
for his
wife. He had no one that could come into his home to stay with her
for
extended
periods, and she was unable to care for herself at all. His choice
was
to
give up
his life totally (which he was more than willing to do) or seek out
alternatives
(at our prodding). After the first 3 day week-end away, he found that
she
was
very well cared for, contented ... and he was much more relaxed.
After
that he
forced himself to do it twice a year - and was able to what he really
enjoyed and
missed ... old army type conventions.

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Oh the bliss envisioned by a mental picture of me, the tent, the
space,
the
silence, the Lack of anyone, anywhere..... We are having some
trouble
in
paradise here with my daughter that has me a bit freaked. I so want
to
run
away from home. I gotta find some help with the home caregiving
thing
so
I
can take off once in a while, or things are going to be not good
here.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Okay. Be that way. Happy camper, huh - try snow camping (G)

Chaos - hope you get it under control.

Fred

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:11:03 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I don't want no blinkin gifts buddy.... Snarl. (how was that?)
you
do
know of course that if I get to Jan 1, under 164 I am a total
happy
camper?
But It would be nice to have some space. But heck, things are a
little
chaotic here in humid land, I dunno what will transpire.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, this morning was not as good as hoped.

But you really have a great chance in about two weeks - we have
our
work "employee recognition breakfast" early the morning of WI.
I
will
be dressed in jacket, tie, slacks, etc and will have breakfast
and
then head to WI! Not a great situtation unless I can sit with
300
others eating breakfast and NOT eat breakfast!

But maybe it is time to just let you have it as I would really
hate
to
be the one to drive you to desparation. Besides, some others
are
now
giving you a run for the money.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:45:52 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Ah haha. You better be prepared to weigh in shorts I am having
a
very
good
week over here.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:54:18 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

What did you do with your NEW body while you were rollin
around
in
the
snow
with the OLD one? Or whats her name? would be the other
smart
a
comment
to

Ah, the ol' "I did not wake up grumpy, I let her sleep!" (G)

Actually, the new body must be in pretty good shape - I
remember
doing
this trip last year and struggling a bit more. I was
surprised
at
how
early it was when I stopped for my SECOND lunch (G) Leaving
on
these
trips early - one tends to snack somewhere around 10am with
the
first
lunch and then eat again around noon.


that one. I am on a major roll this week feeling SOOOO
renewed
after
living
through turkey day and ending up with my scale saying 159
again.
I
am
gonna
be hard to beat this week, unless you kept some of your
fabulous
recent
loss.........

I do hope I can disappoint you!!! I seem to be holding
reasonably
well (fingers crossed). Maybe thanksgiving and awful pies
helps!!!
(G)

But clearly this means that I cannot weighin in full regalia.
It
will
be your fault as I shiver in shorts. (g)

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my
definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)

I forgot, my mom went to a place like that about 3 days a week for a
year or so. I think that she did enjoy it.

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:43:05 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

I am not sure if you have this in your area or not, but when my dad was not
doing well and mom needed a break, they had an adult day care place that was
ran by the city I think. They would pick him up in the van and take him for
the day and then return him that afternoon. He was normally gone from about
9-3, but that was a nice break for mom to be able to go grocery shopping and
get her hair done and spend some time without having to constantly watch
dad. I think they had activities, and exercise and lunch served, I know dad
could never comment on how he liked it or not, but he seemed happy when he
returned and it was good for him to interact with others besides mom.

Debbie

"Lesanne" wrote in message
news
oh hoo boy. She would really pitch a fit. She pitches a fit when I am
out
of her sight for an afternoon. I do have a line on a lady who helps a
friend of mine who had a stroke. This lady will come and stay here if I
want to take off for some reason. The homes/facilities in this area are
really not good. As a nurse, I know. Horror stories. When I worked the
med/surg floor at the local hospital they would come in with all kinds of
problems that we knew were caused by the environment.

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
Do you have any homes/facilities in your area that you could place your
mom for
just a few days? We have a few near me, my uncle used them
occassionally
for his
wife. He had no one that could come into his home to stay with her for
extended
periods, and she was unable to care for herself at all. His choice was
to
give up
his life totally (which he was more than willing to do) or seek out
alternatives
(at our prodding). After the first 3 day week-end away, he found that
she
was
very well cared for, contented ... and he was much more relaxed. After
that he
forced himself to do it twice a year - and was able to what he really
enjoyed and
missed ... old army type conventions.

Joyce

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:17:50 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Oh the bliss envisioned by a mental picture of me, the tent, the space,
the
silence, the Lack of anyone, anywhere..... We are having some trouble
in
paradise here with my daughter that has me a bit freaked. I so want to
run
away from home. I gotta find some help with the home caregiving thing
so
I
can take off once in a while, or things are going to be not good here.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Okay. Be that way. Happy camper, huh - try snow camping (G)

Chaos - hope you get it under control.

Fred

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:11:03 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

I don't want no blinkin gifts buddy.... Snarl. (how was that?)
you
do
know of course that if I get to Jan 1, under 164 I am a total happy
camper?
But It would be nice to have some space. But heck, things are a
little
chaotic here in humid land, I dunno what will transpire.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, this morning was not as good as hoped.

But you really have a great chance in about two weeks - we have
our
work "employee recognition breakfast" early the morning of WI. I
will
be dressed in jacket, tie, slacks, etc and will have breakfast and
then head to WI! Not a great situtation unless I can sit with 300
others eating breakfast and NOT eat breakfast!

But maybe it is time to just let you have it as I would really
hate
to
be the one to drive you to desparation. Besides, some others are
now
giving you a run for the money.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:45:52 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Ah haha. You better be prepared to weigh in shorts I am having a
very
good
week over here.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:54:18 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

What did you do with your NEW body while you were rollin
around
in
the
snow
with the OLD one? Or whats her name? would be the other smart
a
comment
to

Ah, the ol' "I did not wake up grumpy, I let her sleep!" (G)

Actually, the new body must be in pretty good shape - I
remember
doing
this trip last year and struggling a bit more. I was surprised
at
how
early it was when I stopped for my SECOND lunch (G) Leaving on
these
trips early - one tends to snack somewhere around 10am with the
first
lunch and then eat again around noon.


that one. I am on a major roll this week feeling SOOOO
renewed
after
living
through turkey day and ending up with my scale saying 159
again.
I
am
gonna
be hard to beat this week, unless you kept some of your
fabulous
recent
loss.........

I do hope I can disappoint you!!! I seem to be holding
reasonably
well (fingers crossed). Maybe thanksgiving and awful pies
helps!!!
(G)

But clearly this means that I cannot weighin in full regalia.
It
will
be your fault as I shiver in shorts. (g)

La

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, ahem, within reason. (G)

Dragged the OLD body out on a snowshoe trip yesterday.
Glorious
in
the mountains but the snow was definitely not my definition
of
skiable.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:58:06 +1300, Erin Marsh

wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:34:57 -0800, Fred

wrote:

Okay, that is it!!!! (G)

Aw, c'mon Fred. Admit it, you're loving the attention ;-)