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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:47 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Harold Groot
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Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

I've decided that starting a diet in January is probably poor timing.
The holidays often leaves those with lots friends/family exhausted,
and those without lots of friends/family often feel lonely or
depressed. A lot of people also put on 5 or so pounds late in the year
- so they may be depressed about that as well.

So instead of waiting for New Years Resolutions and such, I'm starting
now. I'd like to hit the New Year with the diet already well under
way, and hopefully feeling good about having LOST some weight when
many times before I've GAINED weight at this time of year.

I've actually been ramping up to this for the past few weeks. I
haven't started lowcarb yet, but I'm aiming for it to begin soon. I
will PROBABLY start Atkins the day after Thanksgiving, though I'm
going to take a look at some of the other lowcarb plans before making
the final jump. But right now I'm in a prep phase.

Part one is nutritional supplements. Atkins (DANDR) mentions that many
people start out with nutritional deficits deep enough that it takes a
couple of weeks of supplementation before they get back to where they
should be. OK, I started taking the supplements several weeks ago. By
the time I actually begin the formal lowcarb diet I should not have
ANY nutritional deficits to hold me back - and I'll also be accustomed
to taking all those pills, so that won't be "One of the changes you
make when you start the lowcarb diet".

Part two is clearing the shelves. I really, really hate to throw out
food. So I've been clearing out the open containers of things with
carbs at a rate designed to be pretty much rid of them by the time I
start lowcarb. Those things that are UNOPENED, meanwhile, can get
donated to the local foodbanks. So instead of feeling bad about
throwing them out and just wasting them, I can feel good about having
them feed others who are hungry around the holidays.

Part three is exercise. Again, it's already underway. Sure, I'm
starting small and working my way up (today was walking for 30
minutes). It's not Earth-shattering, but it's a heck of a lot better
than nothing. And again, with the exercise already started it won't
be "One of the changes you make when you start the lowcarb diet."

Part four is mental prep. I've mentioned recently that I can generally
keep lowcarbing for a few months, but then go back to carbs. I'm
trying to get mentally ready. If it was martial arts it would be
"Building up my chi". There are always low spots when I do this, I
plan to be able to push through them better this time.

Part five has been lowering calories on the highcarb diet. It hasn't
been anything drastic, just some cutting down on portions and snacks.
So far I've lost 3 pounds in 3 weeks. Normally when I've started
Atkins it's been compared to my unrestricted "Maintain my extra
weight" way of eating. Perhaps if it directly follows a few weeks of
"Slowly lose weight the lowcal way" it will be more appealing.

Part six (now) is looking for a bit of Group Support. Maybe some will
want to lose weight with me. Maybe some will have successfully lost
weight and be on maintenance, but will still give support. Maybe
having made a public declaration that I'm starting, I'll feel less
willing to back out. This group hasn't been very active of late, but
it's certainly worth a try.

As I said, the current plan is to start lowcarb the day after
Thanksgiving. I want to be able to eat all the traditional family
dishes of that holiday. I hope to be able to keep portions under
control, but I don't want to feel deprived by saying that I can't have
any of this dish or that dish. Maybe I'll have lost another pound by
Thursday and feel I can afford to put that one pound back on. And any
"Take home the leftovers" will be limited to turkey.

I'm putting a lot more effort this time into making the transition
easy. I'll have a good excuse to turn down holiday cookies and
chocolates and pies and such, doing so when my motivation should be at
its highest. And January should be "Keep Up The Good Work" month
rather than "Let's make a whole mess of changes" month.

Anyone care to join me?





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Old November 19th, 2012, 07:02 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cheri[_4_]
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Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

"Harold Groot" wrote in message
...
I've decided that starting a diet in January is probably poor timing.
The holidays often leaves those with lots friends/family exhausted,
and those without lots of friends/family often feel lonely or
depressed. A lot of people also put on 5 or so pounds late in the year
- so they may be depressed about that as well.

So instead of waiting for New Years Resolutions and such, I'm starting
now. I'd like to hit the New Year with the diet already well under
way, and hopefully feeling good about having LOST some weight when
many times before I've GAINED weight at this time of year.

I've actually been ramping up to this for the past few weeks. I
haven't started lowcarb yet, but I'm aiming for it to begin soon. I
will PROBABLY start Atkins the day after Thanksgiving, though I'm
going to take a look at some of the other lowcarb plans before making
the final jump. But right now I'm in a prep phase.

Part one is nutritional supplements. Atkins (DANDR) mentions that many
people start out with nutritional deficits deep enough that it takes a
couple of weeks of supplementation before they get back to where they
should be. OK, I started taking the supplements several weeks ago. By
the time I actually begin the formal lowcarb diet I should not have
ANY nutritional deficits to hold me back - and I'll also be accustomed
to taking all those pills, so that won't be "One of the changes you
make when you start the lowcarb diet".

Part two is clearing the shelves. I really, really hate to throw out
food. So I've been clearing out the open containers of things with
carbs at a rate designed to be pretty much rid of them by the time I
start lowcarb. Those things that are UNOPENED, meanwhile, can get
donated to the local foodbanks. So instead of feeling bad about
throwing them out and just wasting them, I can feel good about having
them feed others who are hungry around the holidays.

Part three is exercise. Again, it's already underway. Sure, I'm
starting small and working my way up (today was walking for 30
minutes). It's not Earth-shattering, but it's a heck of a lot better
than nothing. And again, with the exercise already started it won't
be "One of the changes you make when you start the lowcarb diet."

Part four is mental prep. I've mentioned recently that I can generally
keep lowcarbing for a few months, but then go back to carbs. I'm
trying to get mentally ready. If it was martial arts it would be
"Building up my chi". There are always low spots when I do this, I
plan to be able to push through them better this time.

Part five has been lowering calories on the highcarb diet. It hasn't
been anything drastic, just some cutting down on portions and snacks.
So far I've lost 3 pounds in 3 weeks. Normally when I've started
Atkins it's been compared to my unrestricted "Maintain my extra
weight" way of eating. Perhaps if it directly follows a few weeks of
"Slowly lose weight the lowcal way" it will be more appealing.

Part six (now) is looking for a bit of Group Support. Maybe some will
want to lose weight with me. Maybe some will have successfully lost
weight and be on maintenance, but will still give support. Maybe
having made a public declaration that I'm starting, I'll feel less
willing to back out. This group hasn't been very active of late, but
it's certainly worth a try.

As I said, the current plan is to start lowcarb the day after
Thanksgiving. I want to be able to eat all the traditional family
dishes of that holiday. I hope to be able to keep portions under
control, but I don't want to feel deprived by saying that I can't have
any of this dish or that dish. Maybe I'll have lost another pound by
Thursday and feel I can afford to put that one pound back on. And any
"Take home the leftovers" will be limited to turkey.

I'm putting a lot more effort this time into making the transition
easy. I'll have a good excuse to turn down holiday cookies and
chocolates and pies and such, doing so when my motivation should be at
its highest. And January should be "Keep Up The Good Work" month
rather than "Let's make a whole mess of changes" month.

Anyone care to join me?


Sure. I'll join you. The holidays are sometimes tough to get through without
gaining, so starting Friday is a good idea.

Cheri

  #3  
Old November 19th, 2012, 05:24 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
FOB
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Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

I would suggest that you not consider "going on a diet" but rather changing
the way you eat permanently. You have to do it forever though not perhaps
as strict as at first. There are certain things I just don't eat, I think
of them as poison to me. Sugar in all its forms, flour-which encompasses a
whole lot of things, potatoes, rice. You have to connect them in your mind
with "not food".

Harold Groot wrote:
| I've decided that starting a diet in January is probably poor timing.
| The holidays often leaves those with lots friends/family exhausted,
| and those without lots of friends/family often feel lonely or
| depressed. A lot of people also put on 5 or so pounds late in the year
| - so they may be depressed about that as well.
|
| So instead of waiting for New Years Resolutions and such, I'm starting
| now. I'd like to hit the New Year with the diet already well under
| way, and hopefully feeling good about having LOST some weight when
| many times before I've GAINED weight at this time of year.
|
| I've actually been ramping up to this for the past few weeks. I
| haven't started lowcarb yet, but I'm aiming for it to begin soon. I
| will PROBABLY start Atkins the day after Thanksgiving, though I'm
| going to take a look at some of the other lowcarb plans before making
| the final jump. But right now I'm in a prep phase.
|
| Part one is nutritional supplements. Atkins (DANDR) mentions that many
| people start out with nutritional deficits deep enough that it takes a
| couple of weeks of supplementation before they get back to where they
| should be. OK, I started taking the supplements several weeks ago. By
| the time I actually begin the formal lowcarb diet I should not have
| ANY nutritional deficits to hold me back - and I'll also be accustomed
| to taking all those pills, so that won't be "One of the changes you
| make when you start the lowcarb diet".
|
| Part two is clearing the shelves. I really, really hate to throw out
| food. So I've been clearing out the open containers of things with
| carbs at a rate designed to be pretty much rid of them by the time I
| start lowcarb. Those things that are UNOPENED, meanwhile, can get
| donated to the local foodbanks. So instead of feeling bad about
| throwing them out and just wasting them, I can feel good about having
| them feed others who are hungry around the holidays.
|
| Part three is exercise. Again, it's already underway. Sure, I'm
| starting small and working my way up (today was walking for 30
| minutes). It's not Earth-shattering, but it's a heck of a lot better
| than nothing. And again, with the exercise already started it won't
| be "One of the changes you make when you start the lowcarb diet."
|
| Part four is mental prep. I've mentioned recently that I can generally
| keep lowcarbing for a few months, but then go back to carbs. I'm
| trying to get mentally ready. If it was martial arts it would be
| "Building up my chi". There are always low spots when I do this, I
| plan to be able to push through them better this time.
|
| Part five has been lowering calories on the highcarb diet. It hasn't
| been anything drastic, just some cutting down on portions and snacks.
| So far I've lost 3 pounds in 3 weeks. Normally when I've started
| Atkins it's been compared to my unrestricted "Maintain my extra
| weight" way of eating. Perhaps if it directly follows a few weeks of
| "Slowly lose weight the lowcal way" it will be more appealing.
|
| Part six (now) is looking for a bit of Group Support. Maybe some will
| want to lose weight with me. Maybe some will have successfully lost
| weight and be on maintenance, but will still give support. Maybe
| having made a public declaration that I'm starting, I'll feel less
| willing to back out. This group hasn't been very active of late, but
| it's certainly worth a try.
|
| As I said, the current plan is to start lowcarb the day after
| Thanksgiving. I want to be able to eat all the traditional family
| dishes of that holiday. I hope to be able to keep portions under
| control, but I don't want to feel deprived by saying that I can't have
| any of this dish or that dish. Maybe I'll have lost another pound by
| Thursday and feel I can afford to put that one pound back on. And any
| "Take home the leftovers" will be limited to turkey.
|
| I'm putting a lot more effort this time into making the transition
| easy. I'll have a good excuse to turn down holiday cookies and
| chocolates and pies and such, doing so when my motivation should be at
| its highest. And January should be "Keep Up The Good Work" month
| rather than "Let's make a whole mess of changes" month.
|
| Anyone care to join me?

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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:58 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cheri[_4_]
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Posts: 67
Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

"FOB" wrote in message
...
I would suggest that you not consider "going on a diet" but rather changing
the way you eat permanently. You have to do it forever though not perhaps
as strict as at first. There are certain things I just don't eat, I think
of them as poison to me. Sugar in all its forms, flour-which encompasses
a
whole lot of things, potatoes, rice. You have to connect them in your
mind
with "not food".


He has to start somewhere before he can connect all of that in his mind.

Cheri

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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:35 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

FOB (removethis) wrote:

I would suggest that you not consider "going on a diet" but rather changing
the way you eat permanently. You have to do it forever though not perhaps
as strict as at first. There are certain things I just don't eat, I think
of them as poison to me. Sugar in all its forms, flour-which encompasses a
whole lot of things, potatoes, rice. You have to connect them in your mind
with "not food".


With a diet where you're rarely hungry there has to be a price
somewhere. This is it with low carbing. There's food which we can eat
in sufficient quantites that we are rarely hungry. And there's unfood
that if we eat it bad things happen.

When thinking in terms of a diet people often think about it lasting
until the loss phase is over and then the hunger ends.

With low carbing we have a bit of hunger at the beginning and then it's
a process to find foods that make us more hungry not less and then don't
eat them. It's mentally different. The mental work is the majority in
so many projects.

One of the mental hurdles is how Atkins is designed. It starts out far
more restrictive than necessary or that's beneficial in the long run.
Then it starts a fully customized process to find your own body's levels
of what needs to be restricted and what does not. There is the
temptation to think that since it starts restrictive, restrictive must
give better results. What restrictive does is make ot more likely to
fall off. If it were true that more restrictive gave better results
every plan out there would tell you to be more restrictive.

It's not - One bite can't hurt.

It's not - One bite won't hurt.

It's - One bite will hurt.

The puzzle is "One bite of what?" and the answer is different for each
person. That's why Atkins is a process not a menu.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 03:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

On Nov 19, 2:35*pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
FOB (removethis) wrote:

I would suggest that you not consider "going on a diet" but rather changing
the way you eat permanently. *You have to do it forever though not perhaps
as strict as at first. *There are certain things I just don't eat, I think
of them as poison to me. *Sugar in all its forms, flour-which encompasses a
whole lot of things, potatoes, rice. *You have to connect them in your mind
with "not food".


With a diet where you're rarely hungry there has to be a price
somewhere. *This is it with low carbing. *There's food which we can eat
in sufficient quantites that we are rarely hungry. *And there's unfood
that if we eat it bad things happen.

When thinking in terms of a diet people often think about it lasting
until the loss phase is over and then the hunger ends.

With low carbing we have a bit of hunger at the beginning and then it's
a process to find foods that make us more hungry not less and then don't
eat them. *It's mentally different. *The mental work is the majority in
so many projects.

One of the mental hurdles is how Atkins is designed. *It starts out far
more restrictive than necessary or that's beneficial in the long run.
Then it starts a fully customized process to find your own body's levels
of what needs to be restricted and what does not. *There is the
temptation to think that since it starts restrictive, restrictive must
give better results. *What restrictive does is make ot more likely to
fall off. *If it were true that more restrictive gave better results
every plan out there would tell you to be more restrictive.

It's not - One bite can't hurt.

It's not - One bite won't hurt.

It's - One bite will hurt.

The puzzle is "One bite of what?" and the answer is different for each
person. *That's why Atkins is a process not a menu.


I generally agree, except for the one bite will always hurt.
There are a lot of us who do have some bites of
a wide variety of foods occasionally and without
falling of LC. Yes, for some people, they may have
some instant reaction that results in cravings. But it's not
true for me. When traveling, for example, I often
will sample all kinds of local cuisine, without restricting
it to LC.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 12:36 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Default Anyone care to join me? Starting now, not after New Year's

wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

One of the mental hurdles is how Atkins is designed. *It starts out far
more restrictive than necessary or that's beneficial in the long run.
Then it starts a fully customized process to find your own body's levels
of what needs to be restricted and what does not. *There is the
temptation to think that since it starts restrictive, restrictive must
give better results. *What restrictive does is make ot more likely to
fall off. *If it were true that more restrictive gave better results
every plan out there would tell you to be more restrictive.


It's not - One bite can't hurt.


It's not - One bite won't hurt.


It's - One bite will hurt.


The puzzle is "One bite of what?" and the answer is different for each
person. *That's why Atkins is a process not a menu.


I generally agree, except for the one bite will always hurt.


The always part is about 1) when in the process and 2) who it's for.

There are a lot of us who do have some bites of
a wide variety of foods occasionally and without
falling of LC. Yes, for some people, they may have
some instant reaction that results in cravings. But it's not
true for me. When traveling, for example, I often
will sample all kinds of local cuisine, without restricting
it to LC.


Later on you are an example of what the process teaches. Some have
specific foods that do trigger binges some don't - That's the point of
climbing the carb ladder. Some have specific glycemic load above which
binges happen some don't - That's one of the many points of moving up in
carb quotas to eat more carbs for better long term results. But there's
no way to know that at the beginning and if you never learn you don't
know what benefits you're skipping.

Thing is when you start you can't know your end point. It's like
someone who has never tried the Atkins elimination process saying they
have no problem eating wheat. Someone who's eaten wheat all their life
has no idea how their body reacts going without wheat, thus early on one
bite of wheat hurts. Someone who's eaten high carb all their life has
not idea how their body reacts going low carb, thus early on one bite of
high glycemic load food hurts.

You're not near your starting point any more. You have gone through
that learning process. You know, now, that one bite of almost any
arbitrary food does not hurt you, now, knowing what you know now. But
day one you had no data of how your history and body would turn out.
 




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