Hershey in low carb market

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:36:51 -0700, Dawn Taylor
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"I looked at her blankly, then sighed. And then I reminded her that
it was junk food." I can easily imagine my response if my husband
spoke to me that way. The phrase "condescending horse's ass" springs
immediately to mind.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I wasn't condescending and my girlfriend
reminds me why she loves me after I give her these uplifting,
encouraging pep-talks. We are a team on this low-carb thing. She
doesn't have the same attitude as you.

Ah. So she's fine with the sighing and the lectures ...

Well, to each their own. We don't play the smart man/silly woman game
here at Casa de la Dawn, but if she's happy in that role that's
totally her business.

To me, your writing makes you appear to be dominating. So, it's more
likely the "dominating woman, obsequious man" type of game.

But I'll bet you anything those "uplifting, encouraging pep-talks"
will bite you on the ass one day.

Dawn


I don't know -- I like a good pep talk every once and a while. Like
today, when I weigh 216.0 even though I've weighed 213 or lower last
week.

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On 6 Apr 2004 20:42:09 GMT, Ignoramus14239
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rIn article , Dawn Taylor wrote:
On 6 Apr 2004 18:56:45 GMT, Ignoramus14239

The guy said the truth to his girlfriend, and somehow it makes him the
bad guy.

He's a bad guy because he acted like a puritanical, superior asshat.

More verbal abuse and no substance on your part.

"I looked at her blankly, then sighed. And then I reminded her that it
was junk food."

There's your substance. And you have an interesting definition of
"verbal abuse." Considering that my statement was neither.

I don't really expect you to get that, Ig, since most of your shtick
in this newsgroup has had exactly the same tone.

You see Dawn, a part of being successful at personal relationships is
not to take helpful suggestions so combatively as you are.

Actually, part of being good at personal relationships -- hell, being
good at life in general -- is not taking condescension and insult from
other people. It's called having a mind of one's own. And a spine.

And considering that you toady for the newsgroup bully and you
regularly lecture other people in blunt, rude ways on their choices
.... I don't really think you're in an ideal position of advise on
interpersonal relations to begin with.

Life is about more than pleasing the mouth.

Life isn't about denying oneself pleasure, either. Well, yours might
be. But then you do come off as something of a dried-up stick who
likes to "tsk tsk" people who enjoy themselves.

There is plenty of ways to enjoy foods without eating fraudulent
frankenfoods.

And there are plenty more ways to enjoy life without being an
unyielding, puritanical, my-way-or-no-way stick.

Re-read what you wrote about hos his girlfriend has a
right to "live a little". Which obviously implies that without those
frankenfoods, she is not living.

Well, it wasn;t my intention to imply that at all, and I don;t think
most people -- people without serious issues regarding the "purity" of
their diet -- would read it that way.

I meant exactly what I said. Get off the girl's ass and let her enjoy
herself a bit without eye-rolling, heavy sighs, lectures and
condescension.

His dieting girlfriend, apparently, bought some fraudulent junk food

Oh, jeez. "Fraudulent junk food." Talk about hyperbole.

Are you suggesting that those hershey junk food items were not
fraudulent junk food?

I'm suggesting that you engage in hyperbole. No, not suggesting --
stating outright.

"Fraudulent junk food" is on par with "Frankenfood" as a hyperbolic
catchphrase that's you use far too frequently to describe foods that
you personally disapprove of. There's a whiff of fire and brimstone in
the way you equate certain types of food with personal weakness and --
dare I say it? sin. It's creepy and superior and, well .... creepy
covers it nicely.

and was excited that she found a more or less "free" food.

She was excited that Hershey makes sugar-free chocolates. The OP never
said anything about her thinking it was a "free food."

Re-read the OP.

Re-read it yourself. He never indicated that she believed that it was
a "free food."

He
correctly noted to her that she was mistaken.

No, he treated her as if she were an ignorant child.

She was an ignorant child wrt eating fraudulent frankenfoods.

Ahhh. So it's not a matter of my being incorrect, it's a matter of you
thinking it's perfectly okay for him to speak to his girlfriend that
way.

Gotcha.

"Success at personal relationships" indeed.

Dawn

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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

Roger Zoul wrote:


Purist = real food only
LC Purist = real LC food only
LF Purist = real LF food only
Veggie Purist = real Veggies only
JF Purist = real junk food only


"real" is entirely subjective, which mostly renders categories like this
useless.

My definitions:

real food = food produced on farms

fake food = food produced in laboratories or factories

processed food = food that started at a farm, but went to a laboratory
or factory before it got to me

junk food = food that has very few nutrients for the calorie cost

frankenfood = fake or processed foods that are marketed as replacements
for "real foods"

BTW, chocolate and coffee are real foods, both are made from beans. One
could even make an argument for them being vegetables if one tried hard
enough.

Some might argue that chocolate and coffee undergo a lot of processing
before it gets to the edible stage. In the case of decaf some coffee's are
decaffinated using chemicals. I don't have a problem with either but unless
you are talking things like brocolli (sow, grow and eat) it can involve
processing before it gets to your plate. Even in the case of brocolli you
might end up with GMO brocolli that is fertilised with chemicals and sprayed
with inumerable pesticides. In the case of a fruit it might have chemical
ripening agents. Or chemicals that delay ripening or prolong storage.

personally I think the body can handle a lot of this stuff in small amounts
but defining pure is not as simple at first glance.



I'm not a purist - both splenda and aspartame are part of my diet, even
though they are "fake foods".

I eat some processed foods too, pepperoni, salami, bacon, sugar-free
jello, protein powder.

What makes bacon processed or sausage for that matter. My father made and
smoked his own sausages (cottage had a small smoke house). the sausage was
processed in the sense that we ground the meat ourselves (by hand) added
spices, put it in the intestines and smoked it. Not too disimilar a process
to cooking.


I make Lynne's fudge once in a while, so I eat junk food sometimes too.

I ate a few Subway wraps last week, which appeared to be frankenfood.

But 99% of my diet is real food. Whether measured by mass, volume, or
calories... almost everything I eat is real food. And I think that is
the real issue, both in terms of weight loss and health.

Aspartame is "fake food" and sugar-free chocolate is "junk food" even
though I eat them; and even if indulging in crap is an occassional
choice, that doesn't make it not crap.

Is stevia "fake food" or is it different because its "natural"? So
chocolate above is real but sf chocolate is junk food? What makes one junk
and the other real? is it solely the sweetener used? What if it is
sweetened with stevia, glycerine?


No one is going to gain 20 lbs or die of cancer cause they eat a
sugar-free chocolate once a month.

But people whose grocery carts get filled with "low carb" junk food
every week are unlikely to either lose weight or be very healthy.

Apparently, the notion that a salad is better food than a candy bar is
controversial amongst some posters and is considered being
"judgemental". Seems like common sense to me.

Actually It seems the opposite. People who occasionally eat a bar or
something are just not walking the one true path.

I haven't really noticed the "purists" that insist that the only healthy
diet is 100% real food, so I'm unsure why rants against said "purists"
occur periodically. shrug

That's because standing up for choice is not popular. Purity is so much
more noble.

I never see anyone post that they eat 90% junk. Obviously from your post
you eat 90% real food as do most (myself included).

Sid...

Sid...

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:18:56 GMT, Bob in CT
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:36:51 -0700, Dawn Taylor
wrote:

Well, to each their own. We don't play the smart man/silly woman game
here at Casa de la Dawn, but if she's happy in that role that's
totally her business.

To me, your writing makes you appear to be dominating. So, it's more
likely the "dominating woman, obsequious man" type of game.

"I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express
sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." --
Rebecca West

But I'll bet you anything those "uplifting, encouraging pep-talks"
will bite you on the ass one day.


I don't know -- I like a good pep talk every once and a while. Like
today, when I weigh 216.0 even though I've weighed 213 or lower last
week.

Note the quotes I put around "uplifting, encouraging pep-talks." Real
pep talks are great. Genuine encouragement is fabulous. But the kind
of "encouragment" that many people give their partners -- the kind
where one person sighs (and/or rolls their eyes) and tells the other
one something patently obvious like they're too stupid to understand
it on their own -- is neither uplifting or truly helpful. If the
person being lectured has a brain in their head, they eventually
become resentful. Hence my statement.

Dawn

Crafting Mom wrote:

I'm not a true food purist. I still drink coffee (coffee comes from the
seed of a coffee berry, not a bean, by the way

Ah, so coffee is a fruit, not a vegetable. I believe chocolate is a
vegetable though.

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 at 17:21 GMT, Dawn Taylor spoke:

Ah. So she's fine with the sighing and the lectures ...

No one lectured anyone. Not sure where you are getting that. I suspect
my original message has been filtered through your view of the world.

Well, to each their own. We don't play the smart man/silly woman
game here at Casa de la Dawn, but if she's happy in that role that's
totally her business.

We don't play any roles like that either, thank goodness.

But I'll bet you anything those "uplifting, encouraging pep-talks"
will bite you on the ass one day.

Not sure where all this man-hating antagonism is coming from, but
whatever.

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 at 21:33 GMT, Dawn Taylor spoke:
On 6 Apr 2004 20:42:09 GMT, Ignoramus14239
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rIn article , Dawn Taylor wrote:

"I looked at her blankly, then sighed. And then I reminded her that it
was junk food."

What part of "reminded her" means a lecturing with a condescending
horses's ass attitude?

You're wierd. Sorry, but you are quite delusional.

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:05:13 GMT, The King of Pots and Pans
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But I'll bet you anything those "uplifting, encouraging pep-talks"
will bite you on the ass one day.

Not sure where all this man-hating antagonism is coming from, but
whatever.

Not sure where you got "man-hating antagonism" out of that, but
whatever.

Dawn

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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 at 21:33 GMT, Dawn Taylor spoke:
On 6 Apr 2004 20:42:09 GMT, Ignoramus14239
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rIn article , Dawn Taylor wrote:

"I looked at her blankly, then sighed. And then I reminded her that it
was junk food."

What part of "reminded her" means a lecturing with a condescending
horses's ass attitude?

You're wierd. Sorry, but you are quite delusional.

Re-read what you wrote and picture it in your mind. Your girlfriend
comes in and happily announces that she discovered a new product,
tasted it and thought it was good and you "looked at her blankly, then
sighed. And then .. reminded her that it was junk food."

As I said ... condescending. Maybe that's not how it actually played
in real life, but that's what you offered up here.

Dawn