I told ya so!

revek burbled across the ether:
TavliGal burbled across the ether:
Is this what you mean by peer reviews?
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/citat...itation-kb.htm

From my perusal, the first citation is an article discussing how one
researcher has given the theory an overview and it *seems* to be based
in scientific principles, and the parts that are should be implemented,
but that a lot is vague and there should be trials. No data.

The second citation is the good Doctor himself proposing within an
article to use "Lewis typing which might help identify subpopulations of
individuals genetically prone to insulin resistance, autoimmunity, and
heart disease." This article is designed to created discussion amongst
others in the field (get them interested enough to do their own trials
kind of thing). No data.

Third and fourth citations are mere explanations of what the book/theory
entails. They read like book ads. No data.

None of the above citations are actual clinical studies. There is no
data to chew. Without data, the hypothesis can't go anywhere-- neither
proven true or false. Peer review is (supposedly) about checking the
clinical data, and re-running the trials yourself to see if you can get
the same results. If the results can be repeatedly predicted, then you
have something worth persuing, scientifically speaking. While it is
good that discussion is perhaps being generated, until we get data, that
is all it is- discussion.

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2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
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the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper
armour and shouting 'All gods are *******s'. - Rincewind Expaining
Twoflower, Terry Pratchett, The Color Of Magic

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:05:50 -0600, "revek"
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1. His theories haven't been backed up by any *peer reviewed* research.
All research published is done so by him, so all raw data remains in his
hands alone. Kind of suspicious, if you ask me. I mean that is one of
the reasons for peer review, right? To cut down on the hanky panky with
the data?

When did atkins get any peer reviewed, double blind studies done?

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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revek wrote:
TavliGal burbled across the ether:
revek wrote:
TavliGal burbled across the ether:
revek wrote:

Type O is universally the most common, not just in North America.

Of course I realize that, but the rest of the world hasn't caught up with
our eating habits, and it shows. We're the fattest on the planet
supersizing everything.

Monica


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Sleepyman burbled across the ether:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:05:50 -0600, "revek"
wrote:



1. His theories haven't been backed up by any *peer reviewed*
research. All research published is done so by him, so all raw data
remains in his hands alone. Kind of suspicious, if you ask me. I
mean that is one of the reasons for peer review, right? To cut down
on the hanky panky with the data?

When did atkins get any peer reviewed, double blind studies done?


Actually, the relevant studies have been done all along, they've just
been buried in the literature and not talked about. Thirty year old
studies suggesting carbohydrate/insulin in the role of fat storage don't
play well against the lowfat meme. Atkins didn't pull this stuff out of
his ass, you know. He got the idea from the studies in the literature
of the time. I could go on about how he tried to get funding from the
usual sources but couldn't because of lowfat bias, and then when he
funded the studies himself got yelled at for bias. Can't win for
losing. But since you're a troll you don't really care about the truth.

www.lowcarbresearch.org/results.asp

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revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was
ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the
matter was that the disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of
a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists'
houses and smashing their windows. - Terry Pratchet, The Color Of Magic

"revek" wrote ...
I just got off the phone with my sister.... you know, the one that
refused to even try lowcarb. The one that kept offering me special k
for breakfast and apologized for only having full fat sour cream when I
went up for new year's... gee it's been over a year now.

Her doctor put her on a lowcarb diet! everybody dance a jig. She
called me so I could specifically say the thread title. I kept going on
about 'not saying I told ya so' but she said 'after the fifth time it is
TOO an I told ya so'. We both laughed about it.

That's great news! I'm sure she'll appreciate your support and experience a
great deal.

Glad you can joke about it rather than her resenting it.

cheers
Rachel
(New Zealand)

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:09:19 -0600, "revek"
wrote:

Sleepyman burbled across the ether:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 02:05:50 -0600, "revek"
wrote:



1. His theories haven't been backed up by any *peer reviewed*
research. All research published is done so by him, so all raw data
remains in his hands alone. Kind of suspicious, if you ask me. I
mean that is one of the reasons for peer review, right? To cut down
on the hanky panky with the data?

When did atkins get any peer reviewed, double blind studies done?


Actually, the relevant studies have been done all along, they've just
been buried in the literature and not talked about. Thirty year old
studies suggesting carbohydrate/insulin in the role of fat storage don't
play well against the lowfat meme. Atkins didn't pull this stuff out of
his ass, you know. He got the idea from the studies in the literature
of the time. I could go on about how he tried to get funding from the
usual sources but couldn't because of lowfat bias, and then when he
funded the studies himself got yelled at for bias. Can't win for
losing. But since you're a troll you don't really care about the truth.

www.lowcarbresearch.org/results.asp

The truth? you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. I saw
your boy on a panel discussion with real honest to goodness scientists
with advanced degrees, about two years ago. They asked him why there
had been no studies done on his diet. He said with a straight face,
that he didn't have the money. He was just about laughed off the
stage. With all the heat he has taken, why would these "studies" stay
buried? Why were they never brought up when he was asked by his (ahem)
peers? Face it. he was a hack non board certified cardiologist, who
couldn't cut it, then tried to jump on the "natural medicine" route,
and then went on to supplement scamming. If thinking your boy was
nothing but a charlatan, makes me a troll, then call me a troll.
Doesn't bother me the least. At least I know the truth and haven't
swallowed "buried in literature" bull****.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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Sleepyman burbled across the ether:
At least I know the truth and haven't
swallowed "buried in literature" bull****.

At least I don't have to cross over to a newsgroup where I'm not wanted
to get attention. Sad for you.

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2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
"Barry also was quick to point out that the Titanium uses torque screws
as opposed to Phillips screws. We're not sure why this matters even a
little bit, but Barry sure seemed to think it was interesting. That's
why Mac geeks scare us." -ZDNet review of the Powerbook G4 Titanium

Only trouble is, her doctor has fallen for the Eat Right For Your Body
Type nonsense

Find a new doctor. That diet isn't based on any science at all.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:53:04 -0600, "revek"
wrote:

Sleepyman burbled across the ether:
At least I know the truth and haven't
swallowed "buried in literature" bull****.

At least I don't have to cross over to a newsgroup where I'm not wanted
to get attention. Sad for you.

Firstly I haven't crossposted anything, and if you were bright enough,
you would know that by checking the headers instead of making stupid
unsubstantiated claims, just like your boy did, before his own diet
probably killed him.
Instead of having a legitimate reply to my post you have to try to
resort to insults.
Who is the sad one here? Look in the mirror. I may not be wanted by
pod people such as yourself, but I sure am needed.

Your Pal,

Sleepy

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Sleepyman coded for transmition to space:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:53:04 -0600, "revek"

wrote:

Sleepyman burbled across the ether:
At least I know the truth and haven't
swallowed "buried in literature" bull****.

At least I don't have to cross over to a newsgroup where I'm not
wanted to get attention. Sad for you.

Firstly I haven't crossposted anything, and if you were bright
enough,
you would know that by checking the headers instead of making stupid
unsubstantiated claims,

Don't read for comprehension much, do you? I said cross over. Not
crosspost. But then English isn't your first language. Village idiot
is.


just like your boy did, before his own diet
probably killed him.

Unsubstantiated claim.

Instead of having a legitimate reply to my post you have to try to
resort to insults.

Your post isn't legitimate. It's an attack. Not worth the effort to
educate you, twit.
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