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Good fats bad fats
I see a lot about fat this and fat that. These fats are "good fats", these
fats are "bad fats". I'm having difficulty sorting this out in my head. Are there any decent (and hopefully not too long) primers on fats available on the Internet? I eat a lot of beef, for example, and I do like the fattier cuts. Is that good fat or bad fat? Also, I usually use butter instead of oil when I fry. Is that good fat or bad fat? Fish: tuna, salmon, halibut, that's good fat, right? Corn oil = bad? Arghhhh. |
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On Oct 1, 8:16 pm, "em" wrote:
I see a lot about fat this and fat that. These fats are "good fats", these fats are "bad fats". I'm having difficulty sorting this out in my head. Are there any decent (and hopefully not too long) primers on fats available on the Internet? I eat a lot of beef, for example, and I do like the fattier cuts. Is that good fat or bad fat? Also, I usually use butter instead of oil when I fry. Is that good fat or bad fat? Fish: tuna, salmon, halibut, that's good fat, right? Corn oil = bad? Arghhhh. Here are a couple of good, fairly simple web sites about this: http://www.healthcastle.com/goodfats-badfats.shtml http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html Basically, your beef & butter would be considered "bad fats" -- they're saturated fats. Corn oil is a polyunsaturated fat; that's in the "good fat" category. Fish is also a "good fat". I should point out that many folks in the low-carb community will tell you that there's no such thing as a bad fat (well, they might agree that trans fats are bad). I don't know that I'd agree with this, though I do eat saturated fats in moderation. (I have always preferred lean cuts of meat, but I do like cheese, eggs, & butter.) Chris 262/130s/130s |
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OK, I've read all three links (your two + Night Owl's). Let me see if I have
this straight so far: Good Fats (mono/poly) come from plants and fish. Bad Fats (saturated) come from meats, eggs and milk products. Terrible Fats (trans) come from labs and food processors. I don't know where fowl fits in. I don't know what this Omega stuff is all about, Omega 3 or whatever. Could somebody please clue me in? Being as I'm on low carb & am a real meat eater, one thing I can do is to use a vegetable oil when I cook rather than butter, and I can replace some of the meat in my diet with fish. I think I'm getting it :-) Thanks! Mike "Chris" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 1, 8:16 pm, "em" wrote: I see a lot about fat this and fat that. These fats are "good fats", these fats are "bad fats". I'm having difficulty sorting this out in my head. Are there any decent (and hopefully not too long) primers on fats available on the Internet? I eat a lot of beef, for example, and I do like the fattier cuts. Is that good fat or bad fat? Also, I usually use butter instead of oil when I fry. Is that good fat or bad fat? Fish: tuna, salmon, halibut, that's good fat, right? Corn oil = bad? Arghhhh. Here are a couple of good, fairly simple web sites about this: http://www.healthcastle.com/goodfats-badfats.shtml http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html Basically, your beef & butter would be considered "bad fats" -- they're saturated fats. Corn oil is a polyunsaturated fat; that's in the "good fat" category. Fish is also a "good fat". I should point out that many folks in the low-carb community will tell you that there's no such thing as a bad fat (well, they might agree that trans fats are bad). I don't know that I'd agree with this, though I do eat saturated fats in moderation. (I have always preferred lean cuts of meat, but I do like cheese, eggs, & butter.) Chris 262/130s/130s |
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"em" wrote:
I don't know where fowl fits in. All fats have mixtures of types of fatty acids. You can estimate the portion of saturated fat by how liquid the fat is at room temperature. Venison fat is like wax, very high percentage. Chicken smaltz is soft, medium low percentage. I don't know what this Omega stuff is all about, Omega 3 or whatever. Could somebody please clue me in? What matters is the fatty acid types. Fat is made by bonding a glycerol to 3 fatty acids, so it ends up that nearly all fat is a mixture of types. The omega number is how far down the chain the first double bond is found. Since fatty acids have variable lengths, enzymes start working on them from one end and keep working until the process is finished. So how long the first chain is determines if one specific enzyme will work on one specific fatty acid. The types go something like this - Saturated fats - The body can manufacture some types so saturated fats are not essential. The body and burn and store all of the common types. Mono-unsaturated fats - The body can only use them for fuel so they are not essential. The body can burn them for fuel so they are beneficial. The body can't store them so they are helpful for weight loss. What happens if you eat enough to have excess? I don't know if the body can convert them to other types or if they get somehow wasted. Poly-unsaturated fats - The body needs certain types to build cell membranes, nerve sheaths and so on so they are essential. The body can store a limited amount (very large amount compared to stored glycogen carbs, small amount compared to stored saturated fats). Trans-fats - Fool the body into using them. Being as I'm on low carb & am a real meat eater, one thing I can do is to use a vegetable oil when I cook rather than butter, and I can replace some of the meat in my diet with fish. I think I'm getting it :-) Being a low carber the types aren't the same. The issue is carbs *plus* saturated fat is a problem. For low fatters, since they have high carb they need to avoid saturated fat to avoid the problem. For low carbers, since they have low carb there is no need nor motivation to avoid saturated fat - It just doesn't matter for low carbers. So for a low carber the types are like this: Bad fats - trans-fats. Fats that only matter by calorie count - saturated fats, mono-unsaturated fats. Good fats - polyunsaturated fats depending on the omega number. There is no down-side to draining off the more solid animal fat that has a higher percentage of saturated fat and replacing it with the more liquid nut oil that has a lower percentage of saturated fat. But as a low carber there's no down side to keeping the animal fat in the first place. Caveats - Look long enough and you can find studies that say loss rate is better by replacing animal oil with vegitable oil, but the studies don' specify low carbing. It doesn't take much searching to decide that the oil in seafood is benficial enough that you will even want your tuna in its own oil but no one has canned it that way in decades. On a low carb plan if you work the numbers you end up being on a high fat plan so avoiding any type of fat is going to drive your calories down much lower than planned. |
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