Table 3. Hit List of Weight-Gaining Behaviors from Dr. Phil's book

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
Sorry T, in my books, money grubbing Dr. Phil is the bad choice. he has
now crowned himself king of the diet community when i would give the
title to Richard Simmons for genuibe caring that is not self serving. I
am very akti Phil becaus of how he embarasses subjects on national
television.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

Oh, yeah, Richard Simmons' is only in it for altruistic reasons. I still
have a bridge for sale. Look at http://www.richardsimmons.com/homepage.asp

You have to pay to join his "clubhouse". If that's not "self serving",
nothing is. Richard Simmons has taken up the cause of some of folks in 900
lb club only to abandon them if they refused to be exploited by him. I
haven't seen Dr. Phil do that, yet.

Dr. Phil's tv show is something else. Those people who appear on the
program know what they're getting themselves into. The book is something
totally different from the tv. The advice he offers is very sound and by
collecting it all in one book and explaining it in "hillbilly" terms, he may
just get across to folks who are turned off by Richard Simmons phony concern
and up-beat attitude.

But you've already made up your mind and that's ok. I just object to you're
spreading falsehoods about something when you know nothing about it. Read
the book, then you could discuss it rationally and intelligently.

Tonia

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wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
Sorry T, in my books, money grubbing Dr. Phil is the bad choice. he has
now crowned himself king of the diet community when i would give the
title to Richard Simmons for genuibe caring that is not self serving. I
am very akti Phil becaus of how he embarasses subjects on national
television.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

Oh, yeah, Richard Simmons' is only in it for altruistic reasons. I still
have a bridge for sale. Look at http://www.richardsimmons.com/homepage.asp

You have to pay to join his "clubhouse". If that's not "self serving",
nothing is. Richard Simmons has taken up the cause of some of folks in 900
lb club only to abandon them if they refused to be exploited by him. I
haven't seen Dr. Phil do that, yet.

Dr. Phil's tv show is something else. Those people who appear on the
program know what they're getting themselves into. The book is something
totally different from the tv. The advice he offers is very sound and by
collecting it all in one book and explaining it in "hillbilly" terms, he may
just get across to folks who are turned off by Richard Simmons phony concern
and up-beat attitude.

But you've already made up your mind and that's ok. I just object to you're
spreading falsehoods about something when you know nothing about it. Read
the book, then you could discuss it rationally and intelligently.

Tonia

I followed Dr. Phil's introduction of the diet, the seven rules etc
etc. on TV when he roared on with it big time.

I no longer buy or borrow diet books nor do I plan to write one. If I
did it might be pretty useful as through diet I have restored my
thyroid function, minimized very serious chemical sensitivity,
stabilized bi-polar disease and generally built myself a positive and
satisfying life that I didn't have before taking control of eating
habits.

I don't go for books on how to go from being in debt to becoming a
miilionaire any more either, although David Bach's is pretty
intriguing.


That said, I did not arrive here without help from ASD or reading
books, but once I was able to take off the training wheels I've
sometimes been able to cycle hands free for quite a stretch.

People are looking for answers in book after book instead of looking
within. Most of them know why they are overweight and what is required.
they are impatient and don't want to let go of certain foods and
certain ways.

I am sorry to learn that Richard Simmons also has feet of clay as I
always admired him.

Many people go on the premise that they might as well get highly paid
for diet advice because if they don't someone else will. I guess both
these guys fit the profile.

I hope all is well with you generally and in the diet department too.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:56:08 -0500, "Cox SMTP east"
wrote:

You know, that chart sort of reinforces the way my thinking was going
yesterday when I was totally down about my stall. I was telling my trainer
that I used to eat way more than I am now and didn't really gain weight.
Well, that wasn't true, now was it, or I wouldn't be in the great shape I am
today. Those little "treats" can add up. I sometimes wonder how I used to
eat the way I did...and with no exercise. That's something I definitely do
not want to revisit about my younger days.

Same here. Especially with the pop and ice cream. I'm surprised I'm
not a blimp!

I did quit drinking mountain dew last year. I do still drink some
rootbeer, but not nearly as much pop as I used to. Until I quit the
mountain dew, I never drank water, and now I average 4-6 glasses a
day. I'm working on improving that. I drank 4 glasses at work today. I
should be able to get at least 2-3 more at home.




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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:56:08 -0500, "Cox SMTP east"
wrote:

You know, that chart sort of reinforces the way my thinking was going
yesterday when I was totally down about my stall. I was telling my trainer
that I used to eat way more than I am now and didn't really gain weight.
Well, that wasn't true, now was it, or I wouldn't be in the great shape I am
today. Those little "treats" can add up. I sometimes wonder how I used to
eat the way I did...and with no exercise. That's something I definitely do
not want to revisit about my younger days.

Same here. Especially with the pop and ice cream. I'm surprised I'm
not a blimp!

I did quit drinking mountain dew last year. I do still drink some
rootbeer, but not nearly as much pop as I used to. Until I quit the
mountain dew, I never drank water, and now I average 4-6 glasses a
day. I'm working on improving that. I drank 4 glasses at work today. I
should be able to get at least 2-3 more at home.


Sounding off again about rules, exclusions etc. They make you self
conscious and fixated on what you will or won't eat all day long so
it's just the reverse of the food obsession coin only it's the "not the
food" side.

What has worked well for me is to shop for a whole bunch of suitable
food at a time except produce which doesn't last long. Prior to a meal
I can be somewhat governed by cravings which means having what I want.

instead of eating what I might have planned, even though I've lost my
desire on Wednesday for the menu I planned Monday, my choices will be
good. So will my meal because I've developed skill for rapid
prepartion of very good recipes that don't need to be on paper.

Every night I just pull some packaged animal protein from the freezer
to the fridge, often two or three things giving me some choice. The
next day I grab what's handy and start cooking. I always have some
green and yellow veggies on hand and a salad mix as well as some fruit
and homemade yogurt and salad dressing so however I use them it's going
to ensure nutritional balance. Because I can't use bread, flour, pasta
and other refined carbohydrayes and I am not crazy about baked goods
with almond flour, this assortment will fall within certain calorie
limits automatically. AndI don't stint with oil and butter in cooking.
Remember I am not slathering it on bread!

My biggest daily splurge is 1/2 cup homemade yogurt from 2% milk with a
spoon of peanut butter in it, some crushed pecans and a shot of honey.
This goopy sundae is delicious and very nutritious.

Please note the words above "what has worked well for me" I

It's a YMMV world and I fully expect responses about all the reasons
that does not work for you.

My point is :Find something that works for you" and put it in practice.
Not something Dr. Phil lifted from somewhere else without giving credit
and that he probably doesn't do himself because he could not possbly
have the time.

Strict rules were made to be broken. If I had to do that old behavior
mod stuff like putting my fork down between every bite. I'd throw it on
the floor and eat with my fingers!

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message


Sounding off again about rules, exclusions etc. They make you self
conscious and fixated on what you will or won't eat all day long so
it's just the reverse of the food obsession coin only it's the "not
the
food" side.
snip

No Carol. They may make YOU self conscious and fixated but they don't make
everyone that way. Some people can give something up and after awhile not
even think about it again.

My point is :Find something that works for you" and put it in
practice.
Not something Dr. Phil lifted from somewhere else without giving
credit
and that he probably doesn't do himself because he could not possbly
have the time.

And what if what he's written works for some people? Why are you so set on
limiting what others may find works for them?

Strict rules were made to be broken. If I had to do that old behavior
mod stuff like putting my fork down between every bite. I'd throw it
on
the floor and eat with my fingers!

Again it's all about you. Well now that you've found what works for you and
what doesn't, why not allow others do the same? Instead of trying to squelch
alternative ideas why not look on them as ways that others might benefit.

As far as I could tell that list had absolutely nothing to do with limiting
anything. It was meant as an eye opener. So much of our food consumption has
become habit. (Our is meant in a universal sense not specific to you or
anyone else.) And much of it is unhealthy habits. This chart just shows what
could happen when you eat what you thought didn't really matter.
--
Jeri
265/189/120
Atkins since 11/5/01
"Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

In article , Jeri
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message


Sounding off again about rules, exclusions etc. They make you self
conscious and fixated on what you will or won't eat all day long so
it's just the reverse of the food obsession coin only it's the "not
the
food" side.
snip

No Carol. They may make YOU self conscious and fixated but they don't make
everyone that way. Some people can give something up and after awhile not
even think about it again.

My point is :Find something that works for you" and put it in
practice.
Not something Dr. Phil lifted from somewhere else without giving
credit
and that he probably doesn't do himself because he could not possbly
have the time.

And what if what he's written works for some people? Why are you so set on
limiting what others may find works for them?

Strict rules were made to be broken. If I had to do that old behavior
mod stuff like putting my fork down between every bite. I'd throw it
on
the floor and eat with my fingers!

Again it's all about you. Well now that you've found what works for you and
what doesn't, why not allow others do the same? Instead of trying to squelch
alternative ideas why not look on them as ways that others might benefit.

As far as I could tell that list had absolutely nothing to do with limiting
anything. It was meant as an eye opener. So much of our food consumption has
become habit. (Our is meant in a universal sense not specific to you or
anyone else.) And much of it is unhealthy habits. This chart just shows what
could happen when you eat what you thought didn't really matter.

I don't think saying YMMV and this works for me and may not for others
is squelching. People are always curious about how maintenance members
here cope. What I post about how I manage sure is all about me cause I
know all about me but i don't know all about you. Maybe Dr, Phil does.

Restrictive rules are hard to follow for a lifetime.. Most can apply
some very concentrated focus and dedication at the start and for a
certain period of time, but it is important to develop an automatic
pilot eventually.

Every year when I get on here in January, the story is the same and so
are selected responses. I'm manic, bitchy, self involved, give smart
ass answers etc. etc. Well, you have worse 'trolls" on board with
lesser success.

You will no longer be victimized by my "unwelcome" diet and maintenance
theories and tone of expression until I have maintained for ten years
if I am still alive. Keep on making dieting complicated.

"What was I thinking"?

Barnes and Noble has my blessing to break all records on the sale of
diet books in 2004.

--
Diva
********
Completing 4 years of maintenance

"Jeri" wrote in message
...
"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message


Sounding off again about rules, exclusions etc. They make you self
conscious and fixated on what you will or won't eat all day long so
it's just the reverse of the food obsession coin only it's the "not
the
food" side.
snip

No Carol. They may make YOU self conscious and fixated but they don't make
everyone that way. Some people can give something up and after awhile not
even think about it again.

My point is :Find something that works for you" and put it in
practice.
Not something Dr. Phil lifted from somewhere else without giving
credit
and that he probably doesn't do himself because he could not possbly
have the time.

And what if what he's written works for some people? Why are you so set on
limiting what others may find works for them?

Strict rules were made to be broken. If I had to do that old behavior
mod stuff like putting my fork down between every bite. I'd throw it
on
the floor and eat with my fingers!

Again it's all about you. Well now that you've found what works for you
and
what doesn't, why not allow others do the same? Instead of trying to
squelch
alternative ideas why not look on them as ways that others might benefit.

As far as I could tell that list had absolutely nothing to do with
limiting
anything. It was meant as an eye opener. So much of our food consumption
has
become habit. (Our is meant in a universal sense not specific to you or
anyone else.) And much of it is unhealthy habits. This chart just shows
what
could happen when you eat what you thought didn't really matter.
--
Jeri
265/189/120
Atkins since 11/5/01
"Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

Jeri, she has her mind made up that anything Dr. Phil says is wrong and is
not going to bother to find out what he's actually saying. I don't think
she actually *read* the chart. She has some strange idea that what he's
telling folks to do is not common sense (which is *not* common among the
population) and is some weird strategy that is overly restrictive and
requires eating at a overly low calorie level. There ARE *no* strict rules
inDr. Phil's plan.

I'm done trying to tell her that she's totally wrong about what Dr. Phil's
book says. For the beginnng dieters who want to know want to do and not
spend months trying to figure out a strategy, I say check the book out of
the library if you can and read it. The rest of us who have been here a
while really won't learn anything new in it but it's nice to see someone
putting forth sensible reasonable WOE advice. He doesn't use that term but
makes a point that you do have to make it a permanently way of eating and
not a diet. What might be useful to those of us (yeah, I'm one of them) who
keep falling off the track, is his section on getting to the root causes of
why we find it more comfortable to be overweight and even obese than buckle
down and deal with it.

Tonia

Thank you for posting that, Tonia. I have begun to notice how small choices
can contibute to a big out come. I can remember feeling that a regular size
sandwich, potatoe cakes, a large soda, and mozzerella sticks weren't enough
food! I'm glad I have come to see how wrong that was.

Amazingly, I feel many times better eating far less food. I will never eat
that much again. I love portion control.
--
mlle

I will only add, may God bless you.

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wrote:


I'm done trying to tell her that she's totally wrong about what Dr. Phil's
book says. For the beginnng dieters who want to know want to do and not
spend months trying to figure out a strategy, I say check the book out of
the library if you can and read it. The rest of us who have been here a
while really won't learn anything new in it but it's nice to see someone
putting forth sensible reasonable WOE advice. He doesn't use that term but
makes a point that you do have to make it a permanently way of eating and
not a diet. What might be useful to those of us (yeah, I'm one of them) who
keep falling off the track, is his section on getting to the root causes of
why we find it more comfortable to be overweight and even obese than buckle
down and deal with it.

Tonia
Ok. may I please clarify why I appear to have a bias against Dr. Phil
that has caused me to cast a crtitical eye on his book?

When he helped Oprah with the beef trial in Texas and she repaid him by
giving him a regular day on her show, I was very intrigued with his
homespun homilies and direct answers and they were sponatneous and had
common sense. When he first stated the Seven Rules I was impressed and
posted them right here. then someone told me someone else originated
them.

When he launched his own show I began tothink Oprah created a monster
in the sense that riding on her coattails and his entertainment value
he began to acquire his own little media empire and he got really cocky
and nasty with some of his guests, often reducing them to tears and
certainly embarrassing them. BTW: nothing new to ASD since 1996. This
is not even "Tough Love. because it is not done in private and it
doesn't matter that the guests expect to be riidiculed on national TV.

Dr. Phil, Montel, Jesse Sally et al don't practice my favorite form of
therapy even though I was direct and outspoken to you on my personal
diet philosophy. However I have earned both my stripes and my gripes in
personal weight loss.

Assuming you are correct that even if Dr. Phil borrowed some basis for
his ideas, he is giving good advice and it is helping--well good.
Whatever it takes.

But having seen that since Atkins died his diet has more products, more
advertising and is even bigger business than ever--remembering how Jean
Nidech got muscled out of the company she started, Weight
Watchers..Watching the sunny Summerizing of Suzanne, the Pouting and
Shouting of Susan Powter I am skeptivcal of the entire diet industry.
It reminds me of

"Elmer Gantry" a medicine because it is just that--an hawkers' industry.

The people who we could turn to for help do not get sufficient
grounding in nutrition in medical school. The argricultural lobby has
the government under their thumb having to promote and endorse the Food
Pyramid. The drug and chemical companies and large food processors are
running and ruining America.

So you may wonder since i am so against the huge and largeness of the
diet field, what am I for? I already told you and you didn't like it or
me because of it.

Well that's OK. You will find your own way and if Dr. Phil is holding
the flashlight so you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, more
power to you.

Maybe if I needed Dr. Phil, I would turn to him too but I am strongly
of the opinion that he has a big appetite for big bucks and has seized
on a time when obesity has overtaken America to capitalize on it.

I just have bad vibes about him and time will tell.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:14:32 -0500, Carol Frilegh
wrote:


What has worked well for me is to shop for a whole bunch of suitable
food at a time except produce which doesn't last long. Prior to a meal
I can be somewhat governed by cravings which means having what I want.



Excellent points. I am hoping to get a new freezer next week so I can
start stocking up on some variety as well as make some larger batches
of things and freeze them for smaller servings. I currently have a 6.0
cubic foot refrigerator with a tiny freezer in the top. So, I tend to
buy most of my food on a daily basis (I work in a grocery store). So,
I do have a problem of purchasing food on a whim. It would be much
nicer to have 6-10 different dinner choices, all healthy, so that I
could pick something that feels good that day without making a bad
choice.


I should be able to get a decent size chest freezer. I have a space
for it, and I'm hoping to get it Thursday or Friday. Then I can go to
Costco and buy some fish fillets and chicken breasts. I can freeze
them in seperate servings for later usage. It's alot cheaper, pretty
convenient, and would make healthy eating a lot easier.


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