Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity

Dave Head writes:

Well, if you buy peanuts in too-big a bag, then the likelihood of overeating
goes way up.

No, it remains exactly the same. _You_ control what you eat, not the
bag. Thin people get tired of eating peanuts or get full long before
the bag is empty; fat people eat until there's nothing left.

We've already heard some people here admit that they can
_usually_ but not _always_ handle a ration of 20 almonds from a 3 lb bag, and
not be able to do the same thing with pecans.

They can avoid buying pecans, then.

At least while traveling,
wouldn't it be nice to buy almonds in an appropriate size for a snack, so that
there are about 20 almonds in it? Sure it would.

If you like to pay ten times more per pound for almonds, I suppose.

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:55:21 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

We can all make it work, by working harder at it ourselves. The point is, that
America would be better off it it didn't require this extra effort to make the
right thing happen.

That's "America's" choice. And even if the alleged "extra effort"
were not required, fat people would still be fat.

Oh, well, now there you go, enjoying usenet again - its fun to say stuff in a
newsgroup that if someone were standing in front of you, you might find
yourself swallowing a few teeth.

I suppose it's cathartic to make veiled threats of physical violence,
too.

Naw, that was no threat... it was just making her/it aware that a mouth like
that could get them in trouble (but not from me... I'd just walk away...). I
actually know of a female who was like that, who is dead now, shot, and I
always have to wonder if the guy that did it just got tired of her mouth.

Kinda like PETA choosing blue-haired old
ladies to splash blood on their furs, while ignoring people like Snoop Dog, or
the Hells Angels, either of which might just bust a cap in their ass...

Perhaps PETA doesn't want to send anyone to jail.

Jail? Who's talking about jail now? PETA just doesn't want to get shot, so it
picks on blue-hair old ladies wearing fur.

DPH

Dave Head writes:

I buy a satisfying drink in diet form so I don't have to worry about the 250
calories that others buying the "real" Coke or Pepsi have to worry about.

So you can damage your liver with aspartame instead of gaining a few
extra calories with sugar.

And I find appropriate-sized bags of nuts and either a right-sized or too-big
soft drink in diet form. One of the reasons I like to do it that way is that I
don't then have to keep a stock of this sort of food around the house where I
might be tempted to eat (too much) of it.

Another option is to simply not snack while driving. Even if you are
driving across the country, you can stop the car and eat in a
restaurant if you are really that hungry.

Nuts and even legumes (which peanuts are) are not junk food.

It doesn't matter what kind of food you eat; all that matters for
weight control is total calories. You can get fat on fruits and
vegetables, too, if you eat too many of them.

Try to "thermos" a carbonated soft drink and see if it isn't "flat" at the end
of the day.

Try a drink that doesn't contain carbonation to begin with.

Well, at least they're honest about it. But reseal it, go into work, come out,
and try to drink the rest of it and it's about the same temperature as the
water in a clogged, sun-baked rain gutter. Hot, that is.

Then drink something else. Drink water if you are thirsty.

But why should the corporations be creating these problems for us, instead of
helping us solve them?

Because we only buy things from them if they "create these problems."
Health food doesn't sell nearly as well as junk food.

You think the electricity to convert 'em from blue water to blue ice overnight
is free?

It's much cheaper than buying ice.

Oh, God, I don't want yet another law... sure would like to see the
corporations do the right thing, tho, and not try to sell people inherently
unhealthy portions of their foods and drinks.

So what do you expect to accomplish by complaining about it?

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:10:22 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

I buy a satisfying drink in diet form so I don't have to worry about the 250
calories that others buying the "real" Coke or Pepsi have to worry about.

So you can damage your liver with aspartame instead of gaining a few
extra calories with sugar.

Oh, there's always something wrong with whatever sweetner is being used at the
moment. Big noise about saccharine many years ago... the industry switched
away from it... then a study done a few years ago said the original panic was
wrong. About the only artificial anything that doesn't currently cause cancer
is just the stuff that hasn't been tested yet.

And I find appropriate-sized bags of nuts and either a right-sized or too-big
soft drink in diet form. One of the reasons I like to do it that way is that I
don't then have to keep a stock of this sort of food around the house where I
might be tempted to eat (too much) of it.

Another option is to simply not snack while driving. Even if you are
driving across the country, you can stop the car and eat in a
restaurant if you are really that hungry.

Sit-down restaurants tend to lower your average speed when driving across
country. By just eating at what I found at the gas stations, I was able to
make it from Orlando, Florida to Indianapolis in 12 hrs and 54 minutes - early
90's I believe it was - and that is really a _good_ thing for the aspect of not
getting tired like a 15 - 16 hour trip would if I stopped to eat several times.

Nuts and even legumes (which peanuts are) are not junk food.

It doesn't matter what kind of food you eat; all that matters for
weight control is total calories. You can get fat on fruits and
vegetables, too, if you eat too many of them.

Yep. Still, there's people that get all bothered and think there's something
special about "fat calories". Nope, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie.

Try to "thermos" a carbonated soft drink and see if it isn't "flat" at the end
of the day.

Try a drink that doesn't contain carbonation to begin with.

Naw - I _like_ carbonated drinks.

Well, at least they're honest about it. But reseal it, go into work, come out,
and try to drink the rest of it and it's about the same temperature as the
water in a clogged, sun-baked rain gutter. Hot, that is.

Then drink something else. Drink water if you are thirsty.

Naw, I think I'll drink something that tastes good... like Diet Coke!

But why should the corporations be creating these problems for us, instead of
helping us solve them?

Because we only buy things from them if they "create these problems."
Health food doesn't sell nearly as well as junk food.

Nuts sell pretty darn well, and they are not junk food. Try and find a
convenience store that doesn't sell nuts. The only thing that might keep them
out of the category of health food is the high fat content, but still, the
"trail mix" touted as healthy is full of nuts and peanuts, usually.

You think the electricity to convert 'em from blue water to blue ice overnight
is free?

It's much cheaper than buying ice.

True.

Oh, God, I don't want yet another law... sure would like to see the
corporations do the right thing, tho, and not try to sell people inherently
unhealthy portions of their foods and drinks.

So what do you expect to accomplish by complaining about it?

Well, a more positive response overall would have been a good indication that
there was support for a decent letter writing campaign, maybe. Doesn't look
like that is feasible, tho.

Dave Head

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:02:12 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Dave Head writes:

That was no threat, that was just making you aware that you're predisposition
of being an extremely unpleasant person just might lead you to a bad end if you
do it to people who are physically present.

Except that it won't. Most people aren't physically violent, and even
those with an affection for violence will refrain when they know that
the consequences are usually jail terms.

Indeed, even the threat of violence can lead to prison.

Yeah, but... they've gotta catch 'em first. Some violent prick from outside
his neighborhood just might never be identified, "witnesses" may have all been
looking the other way out of fear of retribution from the other gang members or
the perpetrator himself, etc.

Go down into the inner city and talk to some gang member or some mean-ass
pimp like that and see what happens.

Go to Wall Street and talk to some fat stockbroker and see what
happens.

You're trying to make threats of violence and it's not working.

No, I'm not.

This
is USENET. You can't hit people on USENET, as much as you might like
to fantasize about it.

That's one of the problems with violence: it only works for people
within arm's reach, and almost nobody is ever within arm's reach
(except for spouses and children, I suppose).

That's what I was pointing out to the rather unpleasant person.

Or maybe you'll talk to someone who is a gang member or mean-assed pimp, not in
the inner city, but is from there, and whom you just meet in the mall by
chance. They'll probably react like they normally would to such an insult and
you'll have to cough up a few of your teeth if you ever want to see 'em again.

Those who react like that are not on the street for very long.

On the contrary, you surely must have heard of revolving door justice. These
people that do this sort of thing are usually out of jail before the cop gets
all the paperwork done.

In the
real world, you cannot go around punching strangers with impunity, no
matter how "mean-ass" you might think yourself to be.

I am not mean, but those who are actually do that sort of thing, and get away
with it repeatedly and often. That's how we know they're mean, and yeah,
they're out of jail a _lot_.

And most of the fat people in the world are not pimps or gang members,
so your example is completely irrelevant.

I didn't say they were. The situation is that this extremely unpleasant usenet
poster that I have killfiled might shoot off her/its mouth to the right (wrong)
person and cause an attack from the sort of person that would be inclined to do
that. That sort of person may or may not be fat...

DPH

Mxsmanic wrote:

The Queen of Cans and Jars writes:

By the way, threatening to punch a woman is in extremely poor taste.

Only if it's a woman?

I don't care much when men hit each other, and I don't care much when
women hit each other. I do care when men hit women. It doesn't have to
make sense; it's just how I feel.

Mxsmanic wrote:

The Queen of Cans and Jars writes:

Then why are you bitching so much about something you freely admit
(finally!) is completely within your own control?

Because he can't be expected to do anything about it, whereas taking
personal responsibility also means taking action.

He takes no responsibility for anything he says or does. The guy's a
****head, plain and simple.

Dave Head wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:45:12 GMT, (The Queen of Cans and
Jars) wrote:

Dave Head wrote:

No, you haven't been listening.

We've been listening, but we think you're full of ****. Why is it so
difficult for you to grasp that?

So, I take it you think the corporations are blameless, and that people
_should_ have to struggle to find the healthier choice when they inconveniently
remove it from the shelves in 2 out of 3 stores...


Totally blameless. The only one to blame is the person who overeats.

Life is a struggle, get used to it. People like you are sickening to
me, in that you want the government to babysit you, you don't want to
lift a finger for yourself. Make things from scratch, that way you know
what's in your food.

Martha

Altho I admit I didnt read every post in this thread, is he complaining
about only convenience stores? Am wondering where he shops as even my
7-11 or AMPM has smaller sizes of everything these days. (or maybe you
just dont want to see them?)
And in the bigger grocery stores they carry every size imaginable
nowadays. They even have those 100 calorie snack packs or small
packages of nuts by the checkout counters, I dont see where people
think they dont offer these items. Me thinks one is blinded by the
large mega sizes. Heh self control, ya know you see what you want to
see.
For example, cola comes in 1/2 cans now too, but is a slow seller - you
know why? Because people are into buying the big SAVING size and feel
gypped when they downsize and pay about the same for a smaller size.
Its alot like how we've twisted the mindset of eating out at a
restaurant - if they dont give you humoungous portion sizes we feel
like we arent 'getting our moneys worth'. Same with buying big bags of
snacks, oooh I can buy the one small one for $xx but for only .50 more
I can get the mega size! So you DO have the choice, but people think
they are being 'thrifty' somehow by buying the bigger size even if they
throw half of it out later. Go figure.


joanne

Dave Head writes:

Overall, my calorie intake has been less than my calorie burn for quite some
time. I've just laid on about 30 lbs of muscle by converting existing fat into
it in the weight room, and the muscle is heavier, so I am too.

Fat cannot be converted into muscle.

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