Thinking about goal weight and maintenance

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:00:42 GMT, "Laura" wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:57:10 GMT, "Laura" wrote:


And I can't figure out how to get thier popup stopper to work, can't
find
it
anywhere in the settings. Or how to turn off the automatic start for
AIM.
sigh
I suppose I'm better off waiting until I have the patience to play some
more with
it (heaven knows if that will ever happen).

I can't remember exactly where they hide those features but they are both
under preferences. IIRC, the AIM feature is set on the tab that controls
where you start up. You can tell it to load the browser and/or mail when
you
open the program. AIM is set there too. One advantage of using Mozilla
based
products all of the AIM/Winamp junk is not there. Much cleaner product.

I think that is where the AIM is, I've turned it off a few times but
somehow it
keeps on coming back. Probably something to do with all the tweaking I've
been
doing. g I will keep a messaging system running, am currently using
Gaim. Very
similar to AIM - not as quirky and no garbage tickers/etc. running. I
only use it
to talk to the kids, but do like it as an easy and quick option to get in
touch.

There is also a setting in AIM to load it when you start windows. Under
Preferences, on the On/Off Tab uncheck the box that says "Start AIM when
windows starts". That might be setting that is overriding your change in
NS7.

Checked that last nite, the box is unchecked, AIM still loads when Netscape is
opened. I have a seperate popup blocker running now, so it sqashes the window in
it's tracks. g


In Mozilla/Thunderbird the setting for the Pop up stopper is under
Options/Preferences on the Web Features tab. Maybe you can poke around
all
of the preferences until you find it. They are there. I uninstalled NS 7
from this machine awhile back because it kept interfering with Mozilla.
BTW,
Netscape is no longer being developed. The browser going forward will be
the
Mozilla & Firebird/Thunderbird products.

Thanks for the tips, Laura! I'll look into Mozilla ... but I really do
love my
netscape mail. grin When did they stop developing Netcape? I swear I
downloaded 7.0 last thanksgiving ... and 7.1 was what was offered to me
this week
when I set up this computer. Is this a recent decision (as in within the
last
year)?


Mozilla is very similar to Netscape 7. http://www.mozilla.org/ They both are
written with the same Open source Gecko code. They also have another
application called Thunderbird (mail/news only) and Firebird (browser only).
They all look and behave the same. Truely from the same family of programs.
I think the decision to not support NS happened within the past year. Had a
lot to do with the fact that AOL bought Netscape. Long term the plan is to
have Thunderbird/Firebird be their primary products.

So are mozilla, thunderbird, firebird all owned by AOL now? I'm not an AOL fan
myself ... but if they work, I'm willing to give them a try. And which of the
three do you think is better?

Joyce

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:22:10 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:08:15 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:33:01 -0800, Fred wrote:

Join the "unwillingness to change club!"

Some of this upgrade stuff is driven by microsoft - how to make money
continually if you have nothing new (not necessarily improved) to
sell. The same with a lot of other software places now. I'm not sure
that I need the latest stuff in Paint Shop Pro but did upgrade. Now
there are tools that are completely beyond any digital stuff I will
ever and i mean EVER use.

LOL! That's the one program I upgraded recently, too. Not by my doing though,
daughter requested the new program - told me there was stuff there that she just
HAD to have. Uh huh, sure. I'm a pushover. g Came with a good deal though,
$30 rebate (I think) on the upgrade price. All I need for photo manipulation is
the crop button and resize capability... sometimes a red eye fix (which I am
finding rather difficult in version 8). I'm a simple person. g

You, too. Red Eye is entirely too complex. I should go over the
tutorials again, since they do show how to lighten dark areas and lots
of intricate fixes but much of it is very complex.

Yup. In one of the earlier versions, the red eye was simple ... select, click,
done. I just can't get the hang of it in 8. I can do the basic, but the eyes
keep coming out looking funky and fake. They've made it way too difficult. Now
I'll have to look into some other programs for ease of editing. My son likes
photo shop, I tried it long ago but for some reason *complex* is sitting in my
brain regarding that program also.

I do search out NEW and creative applications and particularly, like
utilities. I am willing to install and remove stuff like that.

I like that the new Agent will make using two News Servers easier.
But it can be done now but you have to manually create a separate
directory structure which is not that hard - now that I know how. I
see that they are going to Personalities - frankly, Eudora's
Personalities totally lost me - never could get it to work. Just let
me install my separate accounts for email and I'm happy.

I don't use two news servers, so probably won't need the updated Agent .. unless
there are some other valuable perks offered with it. On your advice, I did set up
the BAT for multiple email accounts, I just forget to run it. I have my main
email on netscape, only because I have tons of folders set up to save emails and I
couldn't figure out how to do that on BAT. But my other emails are on BAT, I just
forget to run the program. When things calm down, maybe I'll get in there and try
to figure things out again.

Well, I seem to stick with CIS for this place and one or two others
and use AT&T for their support newsgroups. But even the current
Agent can do that. I do have 3 email id's (ignoring the supplementary
AT&T ones I've created for their webspace)

I only use CIS, don't really have any need for another one. I have 3 emails ids
that I use for various purposes. I don't need constant access to the other 2 (one
is business, gets very little in email other than at tax time when the accountant
needs to bust my ears - but being able to access all from one program is so much
nicer than having to reopen Netscape each time I want to check the accounts.

Joyce

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:24:34 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:27:45 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:54:12 -0800, Fred wrote:

A NEW computer, huh. Well, enjoy it (after you get it tweaked over
the next month so that if works like you want! (G))

So far the tweaking is going good, having a bit of problems with the 5.1 speaker
system on it ... my electrician brother is going to take a look at it. shudder
The speakers worked great on the old system, but I'm getting a popping noise on
the new one, when clicking on links, booting up, etc. Nothing major, more
annoying than anything else.

Type?

Ummmm, not sure if it is a type ... is made by Medion, sold by Aldi's (discount
food store in my area). My last computer and laptops were all medions, by fat the
best I have ever had in this house (compared to previous dells, gateways and
acers). This one is a P4, 2.6GHz, 160 gig hard drive, wireless network, ethernet
network, DVD and CD writers, stereo tv, fm tuner, digital vcr, 7USB, integrated
flash card reader and heaven knows what else. Probably more than I'll ever use,
and not much different than what I had ... but like you, I like me toys. g
And at $800, I couldn't pass it up. LOL

Wow, that is a lot in a rather low-priced package. A LOT. Enjoy and
I hope you get the speakers right - sounds like something inside may
be "bleeding" into the speaker card/circuit.

That was what sonny boy and I both thought, great system for the money. And the
speakers are the only problem I'm having. I played with it a bit again last
night, thinking maybe I had wires into the wrong connectors .. nope, all is ok.
Turned the volume all the way down on the sub, helped but still not great. Sonny
boy suggested replacing the speakers, but I don't think that's the problem since
they work just fine with the old system. Guess the next option is to call
support, providing my brother has no other ideas. But like I said, it's only
annoying - not really a problem.

Joyce

I was able to check out both sets of photos late last night - absolutely
wonderful! I did get a kick out of the photo you took of the backside of a woman
trying to squeeze through a small doorway into an old building. I couldn't help
but wonder if she was going to fit. LOL! Evidentally she did, as your photos
further prove. G

Thanks for sharing!

Joyce



On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:41:52 -0800, Fred wrote:

I am not impatient and stop saying that! (G)

They are still there - including the Spring trip, too.

I was checking another upload batch and they just stop. I must have
either run out of space or stopped for some reason. It was a mixed
set of a bunch of mountain hikes. I may try to redo that and post the
link

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:35:08 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Oh shush! You men are always in such a hurry ... impatient li'l buggers. grin
I'll try and visit the sites this evening, if I'm allowed on the computer more
than a few minutes at a time. (as you can see by my sporadic posting throughout
today, that seems to be how things work in this house .. mom sits down, somebody
*needs* something). If they're moved, I'll hope you repost the new links so I can
take a peek.

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:57:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hey, slowpoke, use it or lose it (G)

I will not move anything today. But I may try to reorganize these
various links as Laura suggested, linking them from one master home
page. I have been shrinking the quality and size of the images to get
them to fit the space limitations. I would like to put the canada
series up but that is one large trip!!! (G)

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:26:58 -0500, Joyce wrote:

Just goes to prove you aren't a sneaky sort of guy... or we're just an extremely
attentive group of people. grin I haven't had a chance to look through your
pictures yet, but did get the site bookmarked. Now don't go moving it on me!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:06:36 -0800, Fred wrote:

Sheesh, I thought I would sneak the link into this older thread.

Thanks. The digital camera is fun.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:01:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Fred,

Gorgeous pics, thanks for sharing.

Debbie

"Fred" wrote in message
news:crhbrv47vm8piv0bo8qlmm4j5itbhjvg4n@4ax. com...
Okay, it was a fast job.....

http://fjk6515.home.att.net/jpg_EagleCapMap.htm

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:07:31 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:00:43 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, on Veteran's Day, Tues, I did do a hike and there was very
little snow, at least, none making the hike slippery like the one on
Sunday. The one I did on Tues, was the mountain that was the basis
for that odd series "Twin Peaks." It is very close to Seattle and
is
more the foothills - about 3,400 feet of UP hiking but the last rain
washed away all the icy snow that gets packed on the trail. Later
in
the year, I call it a vertical ICE RINK and sometimes use instep
crampons to prevent a bad fall. Depending on location, there is
from
a few inches to about a foot or a bit more. But more is expected
this
weekend so mountain hiking will be coming to an end until
cross-country skiing takes over. I will occasionally do snowshoeing
when the conditions for skiing are bad but prefer the x-country
skiing
some of it very backcountry.

The ICE RINK sounds dangerous, good thing you switch to skiing for
awhile.
I've never gone skiing or ice shoeing, but it sounds like fun and a
good
workout.

It can be which is why I use special equipment. I prefer it when it
is just dirt but when cabin fever sets in, I do it when the ski
conditions are poor and I want good exercise. I am less agressive
cross-country skiing than I use to be but still really enjoy the
backcountry.

I think I would prefer the ground being just dirt as well, but like you
say,
cabin fever could drive you nuts and getting outside does feel great,
even
if it does mean strapping on the crampons (I had to ask DH what these
were)
and going for a hike on the vertical ice rink!

I don't get more than a few hundred feet above sea level here, so no need
for all the safety equipment if out walking.


I will see what I can upload. I made a music, accompanied slide
show
of a bunch of different hikes but it is too large to upload to my
webpage.

I have been taking the digital camera on most hikes when I think
that
I may capture different friends or slightly different lighting or
color (Fall) but sometimes want to go a bit lighter in weight and
leave it home if it is a repeat hike. Maybe I should try posting my
Oregon backpack....

I'd love to see them and sure everyone else would too.

I will have to work on them and annotate them and then see what kind
of space I have on AT&T

Sounds good. We're hoping to get a web page together at some point (soon
as
we find time), and once that's done I'll try to get some pictures of our
area on there for everyone to see. I've got a few great pictures taken
years ago from the top of the Caren Range, looking out over the strait
toward Vancouver Island, then others looking across from the opposite
side
of the same mountain range, showing the inlets, Skookumchuk Rapids, etc.
The view from way up there is really something.



On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:38:12 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
There are NO revealing pics, at least, not on any website. (G)

Ah, you're hiding them away!


Those pictures are in the old shorts but carefully posed (G)

Besides, I really did not have much problems with those shorts -
they
were comfortable. And revealing problems were only when sitting
in
some positions.

Yeah, I can imagine... Anyway enough of that imagining... I
suppose
with
the winter weather moving in you don't get up into the mountains
much
this
time of the year. There is probably a fair amount of snow too. Do
you
take
pictures during every hike? I would really like to see more of
them
as
the
views from up in the mountains are beautiful. I probably will
never
get
to
do any hiking, at least not to the extent you do, so thoroughly
enjoy
your
pictures and imagining myself way up there on some mountain looking
down
on
everything below! What a rush that must be! On top of the world!!



On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:33:00 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

You'll have to post some more of your pictures soon again Fred,
the
last
ones were great! Just make sure that they are the ones of you
in
your
*new*
less revealing shorts! Or if you're brave you could post
pictures
of
you
in
the old more revealing ones and give us all a thrill!

Thanks Lee, but AIM doesn't work like that ... it isn't a default for anything.
There is a box that asks if you want it to start up automatically. I have that
unchecked, still tries to start on it's own. I'll figure it out someday. g

Joyce


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:45:13 GMT, "Miss Violette" wrote:

Joyce,
to turn off the auto on aim uncheck the box that says you want aim as your
default, Lee
Joyce wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:39:57 -0800, Fred
wrote:



I know what you mean about the unwillingness to change. I keep trying
different mail/news readers but always come back to OE6. I did change my
browser to Mozilla and now Firebird only because IE6 refuses to work
most of
the time on this laptop. Can't get pages to load.

I use Netscape 7.x (which follows mozilla). I really like the Tabbed
browsing - now there was a GREAT UPGRADE. But I hate the search
function - I cannot find the links I want to edit them.

Yeah, great update except they changed where they hide the data files ...
such as
mail, preferences, address lists, etc. I found this out the hard way,
when making
the change over to the new computer Tuesday (yup, I have me a new toy
again). I
won't even venture to guess how many times I have pulled these files from
one
computer and transferred them to another ... never once had a problem,
always has
been successful in not losing a single email. Not this time! I finally
forced
things to do what I thought I wanted, on first inspection it looked great.
When I
went in to answer emails I found that only addresses and stuff from June
and
earlier survived the transfer. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all! I
finally
ended up doing a quick hookup on the old puter yesterday (network
connection,
monitor, mouse and keyboard) - forwarded a few emails and printed out
address
book. It's working good enough now, but sure was frustrating at the time.

And I can't figure out how to get thier popup stopper to work, can't find
it
anywhere in the settings. Or how to turn off the automatic start for AIM.
sigh
I suppose I'm better off waiting until I have the patience to play some
more with
it (heaven knows if that will ever happen).

Joyce





I do read threads in the order posted generally but would not mind
being able to read them otherwise - sometimes I just want to quickly
see the new stuff.

I don't spend a lot of time in the newsgroups these days so reading the
recent threads is the only way that I can keep up.

I also would like to be able to search INSIDE threads and not just by
subject/author. And I do that by actually, going inside the data-file
using some older Dos tools, like Buerg's List program and an older
search program (again, showing my age and my tool choices!)

IIRC, the FIND option in Agent will also search the messages but I think
that they have to be downloaded first. Otherwise it only searches the
author
and subject. OE is the same way. I guess they are searching the cache
and
not the newsserver. I have a subscription to Teranews and will download
a
block of messages if I am searching for something in the body of one of
the
messages. I like agent for background searching and downloading mp3
files
when I have time to search. When I was not working last year I spent a
lot
of time searching the mp3 newsgroups. Now that I am working again, my
time
online is limited. I still have about 12 newsgroups and a bunch of yahoo
groups to keep up with so I don't use agent that much these days.

So what does Agent 2 have to offer besides and UPGRADE PRICE! (G) I
do have Agent's newsgroup activated but only go there when I have a
question - like how to move an email (accidently generated by hitting
the wrong "reply" button) to a newgroup - can't be done other than by
cutting-pasting but unless you can find the thread, it is out of
place)

Take a look he http://www.forteinc.com/agent/roadmap.php. One of the
enhancements will be supporting multiple Pop3 and news servers. That
will
certainly attract people.

The multi-newsgroups - yup. But it works now, as I wrote to Joyce -
only manually. I have TheBat which does multiple pop3.

I think my email reader, TheBat, is also close or has offered
upgrades....

I did create another identify yesterday and added another webpage for
pics.

Which reminds my - I have to record it and its password for posterity.

Keeping up with passwords drives me nuts, too. Got a good tool for
that? (G)

Do a google search on "Password manager". There are a bunch out there. I
don't use them. I have an e-mail message that I use to keep track of my
IDs
and passwords. I use a select number of passwords so if I forget one it
does
not take me long to go through the likely candidates. Not the most
secure
but it works for me.

That would work. The problem is sometimes I create them for a site on
the fly and don't remember them. I have no idea who to get into Yahoo
groups - I just get the email from the lists I'm already on!!! (G)

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:30:29 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Yes I saw that Angelfire was back again. It was also good to hear
that
the
problem was not with AT&T or Covad directly. Website hacking is
become a
real problem out there.

Have you tried Agent 2.0 yet? I'm looking for a newsreader that
allows me
to
filter out cross posts. The trolls are getting more and more active.
I
don't
like agent because of the way it displays threads. I like having the
newest
threads at the top of the screen not the bottom. Something unnateral
about
working up the screen to read the threads. Or do you just read the
oldest
first?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Since all the servers number differently, I figured I would stay
with
the cis news-servers. I have enough trouble moving between the
desktop and laptop and keeping things straight between them -
moving
the right data files and indexes but not things like Window size,
fonts, and placements. I use Agent and think I have it down - as
long
as I remember to move stuff back when I'm done.

And in case you did not read it, Angelfire is now working again.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:12:04 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:

Mayhem? That's how I went from posting as LJ to Laura. g My
cable
company
was sold and the new company does not provide news server. I used
LJ
as
my
identity in some of the male oriented techy groups that I was
hanging
out
in.

For text newsgroups I don't see much difference between the
worldnet
"i"
news server when I am using dial up vs when I am on broadband. The
real
difference comes into play when you are dealing with the binary
newsgroups.
Download speeds are capped at roughly 2x dial up speed hence the
similar
speeds.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Actually, that is the ftp program that I registered in order to
upload
to AT&T. I did find this newsgroup on the AT&T server, too but
had
already used cis and stick with it - that way my threads are not
lost
in the mayhem between servers.

CIS has a proprietary upload program and there is NO access to
upload
using faster services, like dsl. At least, the last time I
inquired
that was the case - it was very slow and I was limited to how
many
pics I could upload at each session.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:08:12 GMT, "Laura"

wrote:

What restrictions are your referring to? You can upload to your
AT&T
accounts while on dsl. Not sure if you know about that. You do
need
a
ftp
program that supports ssl like ws_ftp Pro. You can also use the
worldnet
newsgroups to post here or did you already figure that out? (I
see
you
are
using your cis account to post)

As for cascading set of links, check out the
worldnet.help.pwp.*
newsgroups.
Some really talented people in those groups can help you figure
it
out.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Yes, I just have not figured out a cascading set of links and
I've
loaded both the main and one or two others with a long series
of
"slides" altho, I have really had to reduce the image size
(quality)
to even fit them on. And while I have a cis account, I can
only
upload via modem due to their restrictions - forget it!

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:45:59 GMT, "Laura"

wrote:

Don't forget that you could have 1 main "home" page but use
the
other
5
accounts to store your pictures, etc. Just point your html
page
to
the
images on the other accounts. That allows you to combine the
6
accounts
for
a total of 60 mb of storage space.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, creating and uploading files to a home page can be a
lifetime
occupation. I have, I think, FIVE home pages on AT&T.
Each
has
to
be
associated with a separate "account" for family members or
alter-egos.
But getting the stuff organized and then uploading takes
time.
Sneaking one new photo is not bad on is not hard. I'm
still
trying
to
organize my April trip down to the Anasazi territory.

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:15:57 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

I gotta see about a home page. This needs to be my new
project,
right?

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Time for a new photo?

I can't remember - someone posted it for you somewhere?

I keep trying to take a good photo but ehh............
Oh,
you
probably have a huge home page with your new broadband
service.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:38:15 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:

Yo Fred, I lost another 15 or so pounds after that
photo,
so
that
is
really
good news.

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Oh, before, a little bit nuts, now, a more healthy
ECCENTRIC
(G)

The photo you posted showed you are a-okay! Don't
sweat
it
except
when earning activity points (G)

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:29:50 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:


"~ Wysong ~" wrote in message
...


** I now weigh 164 lbs and I can tell you that
it's
NOT
THIN.
Thin
for
a
women of around 5'6" is 125 lbs or so. That's
the
size
most
men
want.

Well. I am not 5'6". Which is why weight watchers
allowed
me
a
goal
of
164.
My bones show. The veins in my arms show. I am
thin
enough
for
me.
My
size 10 clothes are nicely loose. Thanks for the
reality
check.
Most
men
are influenced by the media, as are most women.
You
reminded
me
how
proud I
am to be eccentric.

Lesanne
(365)247/160/164

"Joyce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:00:42 GMT, "Laura" wrote:


"Joyce" wrote in message
.. .


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:57:10 GMT, "Laura"
wrote:


And I can't figure out how to get thier popup stopper to work, can't
find
it
anywhere in the settings. Or how to turn off the automatic start
for
AIM.
sigh
I suppose I'm better off waiting until I have the patience to play
some
more with
it (heaven knows if that will ever happen).

I can't remember exactly where they hide those features but they are
both
under preferences. IIRC, the AIM feature is set on the tab that
controls
where you start up. You can tell it to load the browser and/or mail
when
you
open the program. AIM is set there too. One advantage of using Mozilla
based
products all of the AIM/Winamp junk is not there. Much cleaner
product.

I think that is where the AIM is, I've turned it off a few times but
somehow it
keeps on coming back. Probably something to do with all the tweaking
I've
been
doing. g I will keep a messaging system running, am currently using
Gaim. Very
similar to AIM - not as quirky and no garbage tickers/etc. running. I
only use it
to talk to the kids, but do like it as an easy and quick option to get
in
touch.

There is also a setting in AIM to load it when you start windows. Under
Preferences, on the On/Off Tab uncheck the box that says "Start AIM when
windows starts". That might be setting that is overriding your change in
NS7.

Checked that last nite, the box is unchecked, AIM still loads when
Netscape is
opened. I have a seperate popup blocker running now, so it sqashes the
window in
it's tracks. g

Did you also check the AIM settings?

In Mozilla/Thunderbird the setting for the Pop up stopper is under
Options/Preferences on the Web Features tab. Maybe you can poke around
all
of the preferences until you find it. They are there. I uninstalled NS
7
from this machine awhile back because it kept interfering with
Mozilla.
BTW,
Netscape is no longer being developed. The browser going forward will
be
the
Mozilla & Firebird/Thunderbird products.

Thanks for the tips, Laura! I'll look into Mozilla ... but I really do
love my
netscape mail. grin When did they stop developing Netcape? I swear
I
downloaded 7.0 last thanksgiving ... and 7.1 was what was offered to me
this week
when I set up this computer. Is this a recent decision (as in within
the
last
year)?


Mozilla is very similar to Netscape 7. http://www.mozilla.org/ They both
are
written with the same Open source Gecko code. They also have another
application called Thunderbird (mail/news only) and Firebird (browser
only).
They all look and behave the same. Truely from the same family of
programs.
I think the decision to not support NS happened within the past year. Had
a
lot to do with the fact that AOL bought Netscape. Long term the plan is
to
have Thunderbird/Firebird be their primary products.

So are mozilla, thunderbird, firebird all owned by AOL now? I'm not an
AOL fan
myself ... but if they work, I'm willing to give them a try. And which of
the
three do you think is better?

Only Netscape is owned by AOL and I think they are letting it die a slow
death. Mozilla is a combined browser/mail/news in one program similar to the
way Netscape is. Thunderbird and Firebird have the components separated into
2 programs (browser vs mail/news). I find the browsers very similar since
they are both gecko based. Also similar to NS7. I haven't really used their
mail or news programs yet. Still stuck with OE. One reason for trying the
Thunderbird/Firebird pair is this seems to be the direction the Mozilla org
is going with their product. Still experimental and under development.

What's nice about the red-correction is you can make it blue-eye,
brown, black, green or other even when that is NOT your intent! (G)

I've also wound up with what I will call cataract eye. Yup - not
simple. Thumbsplus use to have a simple red-eye correction. I'm not
sure about their recent offerings.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:48:14 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:22:10 -0800, Fred wrote:



On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:08:15 -0600, Joyce wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:33:01 -0800, Fred wrote:

Join the "unwillingness to change club!"

Some of this upgrade stuff is driven by microsoft - how to make money
continually if you have nothing new (not necessarily improved) to
sell. The same with a lot of other software places now. I'm not sure
that I need the latest stuff in Paint Shop Pro but did upgrade. Now
there are tools that are completely beyond any digital stuff I will
ever and i mean EVER use.

LOL! That's the one program I upgraded recently, too. Not by my doing though,
daughter requested the new program - told me there was stuff there that she just
HAD to have. Uh huh, sure. I'm a pushover. g Came with a good deal though,
$30 rebate (I think) on the upgrade price. All I need for photo manipulation is
the crop button and resize capability... sometimes a red eye fix (which I am
finding rather difficult in version 8). I'm a simple person. g

You, too. Red Eye is entirely too complex. I should go over the
tutorials again, since they do show how to lighten dark areas and lots
of intricate fixes but much of it is very complex.

Yup. In one of the earlier versions, the red eye was simple ... select, click,
done. I just can't get the hang of it in 8. I can do the basic, but the eyes
keep coming out looking funky and fake. They've made it way too difficult. Now
I'll have to look into some other programs for ease of editing. My son likes
photo shop, I tried it long ago but for some reason *complex* is sitting in my
brain regarding that program also.

I do search out NEW and creative applications and particularly, like
utilities. I am willing to install and remove stuff like that.

I like that the new Agent will make using two News Servers easier.
But it can be done now but you have to manually create a separate
directory structure which is not that hard - now that I know how. I
see that they are going to Personalities - frankly, Eudora's
Personalities totally lost me - never could get it to work. Just let
me install my separate accounts for email and I'm happy.

I don't use two news servers, so probably won't need the updated Agent .. unless
there are some other valuable perks offered with it. On your advice, I did set up
the BAT for multiple email accounts, I just forget to run it. I have my main
email on netscape, only because I have tons of folders set up to save emails and I
couldn't figure out how to do that on BAT. But my other emails are on BAT, I just
forget to run the program. When things calm down, maybe I'll get in there and try
to figure things out again.

Well, I seem to stick with CIS for this place and one or two others
and use AT&T for their support newsgroups. But even the current
Agent can do that. I do have 3 email id's (ignoring the supplementary
AT&T ones I've created for their webspace)

I only use CIS, don't really have any need for another one. I have 3 emails ids
that I use for various purposes. I don't need constant access to the other 2 (one
is business, gets very little in email other than at tax time when the accountant
needs to bust my ears - but being able to access all from one program is so much
nicer than having to reopen Netscape each time I want to check the accounts.

Joyce

Beautiful photos as always, Fred. Thank you very much.

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"Fred" wrote in message
...
Okay, it was a fast job.....

http://fjk6515.home.att.net/jpg_EagleCapMap.htm

Oh, you caught that one, huh! They actually warned about that tunnel
- what is not obvious is that in the middle of it a rock protrudes
upward and you have to squirm around it while crawling through the
tunnel. I just happened to be 'behind' that large woman and did
wonder if she would make it. Having lost weight, I was sympathetic to
her situation and I really try to not be judgmental.



On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:57:23 -0600, Joyce wrote:

I was able to check out both sets of photos late last night - absolutely
wonderful! I did get a kick out of the photo you took of the backside of a woman
trying to squeeze through a small doorway into an old building. I couldn't help
but wonder if she was going to fit. LOL! Evidentally she did, as your photos
further prove. G

Thanks for sharing!

Joyce



On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:41:52 -0800, Fred wrote:

I am not impatient and stop saying that! (G)

They are still there - including the Spring trip, too.

I was checking another upload batch and they just stop. I must have
either run out of space or stopped for some reason. It was a mixed
set of a bunch of mountain hikes. I may try to redo that and post the
link

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:35:08 -0600, Joyce wrote:

Oh shush! You men are always in such a hurry ... impatient li'l buggers. grin
I'll try and visit the sites this evening, if I'm allowed on the computer more
than a few minutes at a time. (as you can see by my sporadic posting throughout
today, that seems to be how things work in this house .. mom sits down, somebody
*needs* something). If they're moved, I'll hope you repost the new links so I can
take a peek.

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:57:05 -0800, Fred wrote:

Hey, slowpoke, use it or lose it (G)

I will not move anything today. But I may try to reorganize these
various links as Laura suggested, linking them from one master home
page. I have been shrinking the quality and size of the images to get
them to fit the space limitations. I would like to put the canada
series up but that is one large trip!!! (G)

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:26:58 -0500, Joyce wrote:

Just goes to prove you aren't a sneaky sort of guy... or we're just an extremely
attentive group of people. grin I haven't had a chance to look through your
pictures yet, but did get the site bookmarked. Now don't go moving it on me!

Joyce


On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 07:06:36 -0800, Fred wrote:

Sheesh, I thought I would sneak the link into this older thread.

Thanks. The digital camera is fun.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:01:03 -0800, "Deb in Northern California"
wrote:

Fred,

Gorgeous pics, thanks for sharing.

Debbie

"Fred" wrote in message
news:crhbrv47vm8piv0bo8qlmm4j5itbhjvg4n@4ax .com...
Okay, it was a fast job.....

http://fjk6515.home.att.net/jpg_EagleCapMap.htm

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:07:31 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:00:43 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
Well, on Veteran's Day, Tues, I did do a hike and there was very
little snow, at least, none making the hike slippery like the one on
Sunday. The one I did on Tues, was the mountain that was the basis
for that odd series "Twin Peaks." It is very close to Seattle and
is
more the foothills - about 3,400 feet of UP hiking but the last rain
washed away all the icy snow that gets packed on the trail. Later
in
the year, I call it a vertical ICE RINK and sometimes use instep
crampons to prevent a bad fall. Depending on location, there is
from
a few inches to about a foot or a bit more. But more is expected
this
weekend so mountain hiking will be coming to an end until
cross-country skiing takes over. I will occasionally do snowshoeing
when the conditions for skiing are bad but prefer the x-country
skiing
some of it very backcountry.

The ICE RINK sounds dangerous, good thing you switch to skiing for
awhile.
I've never gone skiing or ice shoeing, but it sounds like fun and a
good
workout.

It can be which is why I use special equipment. I prefer it when it
is just dirt but when cabin fever sets in, I do it when the ski
conditions are poor and I want good exercise. I am less agressive
cross-country skiing than I use to be but still really enjoy the
backcountry.

I think I would prefer the ground being just dirt as well, but like you
say,
cabin fever could drive you nuts and getting outside does feel great,
even
if it does mean strapping on the crampons (I had to ask DH what these
were)
and going for a hike on the vertical ice rink!

I don't get more than a few hundred feet above sea level here, so no need
for all the safety equipment if out walking.


I will see what I can upload. I made a music, accompanied slide
show
of a bunch of different hikes but it is too large to upload to my
webpage.

I have been taking the digital camera on most hikes when I think
that
I may capture different friends or slightly different lighting or
color (Fall) but sometimes want to go a bit lighter in weight and
leave it home if it is a repeat hike. Maybe I should try posting my
Oregon backpack....

I'd love to see them and sure everyone else would too.

I will have to work on them and annotate them and then see what kind
of space I have on AT&T

Sounds good. We're hoping to get a web page together at some point (soon
as
we find time), and once that's done I'll try to get some pictures of our
area on there for everyone to see. I've got a few great pictures taken
years ago from the top of the Caren Range, looking out over the strait
toward Vancouver Island, then others looking across from the opposite
side
of the same mountain range, showing the inlets, Skookumchuk Rapids, etc.
The view from way up there is really something.



On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:38:12 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
There are NO revealing pics, at least, not on any website. (G)

Ah, you're hiding them away!


Those pictures are in the old shorts but carefully posed (G)

Besides, I really did not have much problems with those shorts -
they
were comfortable. And revealing problems were only when sitting
in
some positions.

Yeah, I can imagine... Anyway enough of that imagining... I
suppose
with
the winter weather moving in you don't get up into the mountains
much
this
time of the year. There is probably a fair amount of snow too. Do
you
take
pictures during every hike? I would really like to see more of
them
as
the
views from up in the mountains are beautiful. I probably will
never
get
to
do any hiking, at least not to the extent you do, so thoroughly
enjoy
your
pictures and imagining myself way up there on some mountain looking
down
on
everything below! What a rush that must be! On top of the world!!



On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:33:00 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

You'll have to post some more of your pictures soon again Fred,
the
last
ones were great! Just make sure that they are the ones of you
in
your
*new*
less revealing shorts! Or if you're brave you could post
pictures
of
you
in
the old more revealing ones and give us all a thrill!

Thanks. You are welcome. I've been editing the Anasazi and providing
title/caption info. Also reordering them a bit. But I'm not sure
folks will want to go through them again.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:04:20 -0600, "Kristin"
wrote:

Beautiful photos as always, Fred. Thank you very much.