Cholesterol after 3 years of eating mostly meat and fat

Teena wrote:
Ignoramus18262 wrote:

I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.


You know, I think genetics play such a huge component in cholesterol. My
father, who ran at least 5 miles a day, had insanely high cholesterol, over
300 I think. The only person I ever knew who was in better shape than my
old man is my brother, who is a triathlete. He has gotten his cholesterol
down, but it's over 200 and pretty high. My willowy, slender aunt who has
NEVER been overweight is on one of those cholesterol reducing drugs, can't
remember which. And me, totally out of shape and overweight, I have high
cholesterol, too. So, genetics?

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health,


I don't either. My brother eats right, exercises all the time, does
triathlons like they are going out of style, has a body most men would kill
to have, and has high cholesterol. How can high cholesterol be unhealthy if
someone so healthy has it? Or does it just not matter if a healthy person
has it, but does if someone unhealthy has it? I don't know. Funny story --
my brother offered to teach me a routine at the gym (I had a new member's
guest passes). I told him we could go immediately, but he had left his
wallet at his apartment and wouldn't go with me until he got his id. He
said he wanted to be able to prove he was my brother (same last name)
because when he had shown a friend of his how to exercise and use the
equipment at her gym the staff had asked him to leave. The staff thought he
was some kind of rogue, freelance personal trainer poaching clients.


but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.


Jim Fixx. Look it up.


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And elevated bg is a MUCH higher risk for heart attacks than cholesterol!

What is an elevated bg? What does bg mean? Thanks.

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On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one.
The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good
for you at any rate,

Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is
this a form of mass mind control?

I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was
Trigs=47,
HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208.
My doctor didn't seem worried about that.

but if you have genes that make you likely to

live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw

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No conspiracy theories please,

No problem, cause I'm not going to offer you any. Instead, i'm just going
to tell you that there as been a lot of shoddy **** passed off as research
and most people are clueless. So, you see, there is no conspiracy - this
time.

at least not with cholesterol. Just
don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you
unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all
that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe
you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary.
You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is
plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets
are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming
from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody
has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of
those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest
in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already
suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If
you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not
scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw

Well, you wrote all that. Yet, I don't think you have much real knowledge of
any scientific research. Have you ever bothered to even read a research
paper?

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On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this one.
The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is good
for you at any rate,

Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head? Is
this a form of mass mind control?

I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was
Trigs=47,
HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208.
My doctor didn't seem worried about that.

but if you have genes that make you likely to

live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw

Right.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No conspiracy theories please,

No problem, cause I'm not going to offer you any. Instead, i'm just going
to tell you that there as been a lot of shoddy **** passed off as research
and most people are clueless. So, you see, there is no conspiracy - this
time.

at least not with cholesterol. Just

don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you
unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all
that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe
you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary.
You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is
plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets
are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming
from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody
has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of
those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest
in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already
suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If
you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not
scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw

Well, you wrote all that. Yet, I don't think you have much real knowledge of
any scientific research. Have you ever bothered to even read a research
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I'm a retired dentist and taught at a dental school. I've read a lot
of research papers. Again, you are wrong because you base your
conclusions on little or no information. dkw

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I'm a retired dentist and taught at a dental school.

You're a dentist? Do you mind if I solicit free dental advice?


Teena,

I'm not a dentist but have been in a similar situation (more than once). Ask
for valium and take it before you head in. You need a prescription, of
course, so you'd better hit the dentists office on Monday morning to get it
handled. It helped me a hell of a lot, and I hope it helps you too. It
totally relaxes you and makes you not nervous.

Mike

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On Sep 28, 6:40 am, Ignoramus18262 ignoramus18...@NOSPAM.
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread,
sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago
in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem
to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

I'll take the scientific evidence over anecdotal evidence on this
one.
The difference of course could be genetic. There is more to
cholesterol than just diet. I cannot believe eating fatty meat is
good
for you at any rate,

Why can you not believe it? Because it's been hammered into your head?
Is
this a form of mass mind control?

I've been on a similar diet and my last test, in Aug. of 2007, was
Trigs=47,
HDL=82, LDL=117,Total=208.
My doctor didn't seem worried about that.

but if you have genes that make you likely to

live to 100, then it might not matter. Most of us need to watch our
cholesterol intake though. dkw

Right.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No conspiracy theories please,

No problem, cause I'm not going to offer you any. Instead, i'm just
going
to tell you that there as been a lot of shoddy **** passed off as
research
and most people are clueless. So, you see, there is no conspiracy - this
time.

at least not with cholesterol. Just

don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you
unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all
that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe
you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary.
You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is
plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets
are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming
from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody
has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of
those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest
in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already
suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If
you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not
scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw

Well, you wrote all that. Yet, I don't think you have much real knowledge
of
any scientific research. Have you ever bothered to even read a research
paper?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm a retired dentist and taught at a dental school.

So?

I've read a lot
of research papers. Again, you are wrong because you base your
conclusions on little or no information. dkw

When? 20 years ago?

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No conspiracy theories please, at least not with cholesterol. Just
don't try and defend a high cholesterol diet as being good for you
unless you have the SCIENTIFIC long-term studies to show how wrong all
that research is, and not using any of that Atkins mumbo-jumbo. Maybe
you'll be lucky though and escape being fat and/or having a coronary.
You could certainly be right that it might not hurt YOU, but there is
plenty of good hard evidence that statistically high-cholesterol diets
are related to athersclerosis. The misleading info would be coming
from big business like Dairy Association or Beef Council, etc. Nobody
has any vested interest in recommending that you reduce your intake of
those products either. Atkins might very well have a vested interest
in trying to tell you it is OK to eat something that he already
suspects you love to eat and convince you to buy his book though. If
you want a conspiracy, you should look harder at advertising, not
scientific research done at medical centers and universities. dkw


Have you looked into the 25 egg a day man case?

An elderly man in a retirement center ate 25 eggs per day, and had
normal cholesterol.

It usesd to be cited in most physiology books.

I don't have them at hand, but there have been long term studies which
showed that high cholesterol ingestion does not lead to high blood
cholesterol levels.

It isn't plumbing where cholesterol clogs arteries like pouring fat down
the drain can clog drains.

You are right that numerous people with vested interests try to tamper
with food and the truth. Doctors are some of the worst. For a long time,
they went along with the claims that TransFats were just fine as a
replacement for butter.

Doctors also insisted that ulcers were caused by stress and there was no
treatment other than eternally bland diets. Then the bacterial source of
the majority of ulcers was discovered - and led to a Nobel prize.

It wasn't until the development of sulpha drugs in the 1930's that you
had a better than 50% chance of actually getting help when you went into
a doctors office.

As a dentist retired, I can understand your "Cholesterol Clog"
mentality. But cholesterol is more complicated than grease in a drain.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:57:21 GMT, Tom G. wrote:

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:32:49 GMT, Tom G. wrote:

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and keeping
active?


I have gained about 10 lbs over three years. I am trying to keep
active, however, I have been very busy (not really an excuse, but
anyway), but I do walk about 30 minutes per day, which is not enough.

i

That's not too bad.


Thanks... It is nothing to brag about, but yes, it could have been
worse. I had a kid #2 and that really affected how much I could
exercise.

i

You know that diet isn't the biggest factor with cholesterol - its
genetics. You've probably read about the traditional diet of the
Masai warriors in Africa - essentially blood and milk, a very high
cholesterol diet. These guys have very low serum cholesterol levels -
pure genetics.

We know genetics can cause some people to be resistant to a
cholesterol-lowering diet - or to be more sensitive to a high-fat
diet. All you can do is hope to moderate it with diet. There are
people with familial hypercholesterolaemia - and they do need drugs on
top of a low fat diet to keep their levels down. They could pretty
much eliminate every scrap of cholesterol from their diet, and their
bodies would still make enough to keep their levels too high. Your
liver manufactures something like 1,000 mg of cholesterol a day (and
more in some people). An additional 200 to 500 mg can come from
diet.

Its the same thing with salt and blood pressure. Some people with high
blood pressure really respond to a low salt diet, and others....well,
they might as well enjoy their pretzels.

Mary G

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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:57:21 GMT, Tom G. wrote:

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:32:49 GMT, Tom G. wrote:

"Ignoramus18262" wrote in message
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I am low carbing and am eating mostly meat and vegs. No bread, sweets,
pop, rice, etc.

I had my cholesterol done again, after 2.5 years. My cholesterol is
about same as it was two years ago, at 197. (it was 187 2 years ago in
March 2005). Glucose is at 81, trigs at 67, HDL at 46 and LDL at
138. The doctor said that my cholesterol was fine.

I do not personally believe that cholesterol is a useful measure of
health, but in any case, eating a lot of fatty meat does not seem to
affect it that much.

I do, however, try to not eat too much milk fat.

i

That's good news Ig. Are you still maintaining your weight and
keeping
active?


I have gained about 10 lbs over three years. I am trying to keep
active, however, I have been very busy (not really an excuse, but
anyway), but I do walk about 30 minutes per day, which is not enough.

i

That's not too bad.


Thanks... It is nothing to brag about, but yes, it could have been
worse. I had a kid #2 and that really affected how much I could
exercise.

i

Congratulations on having a second child.

I know having a little one is time consuming. When we had our kid, both of
us put on weight. Although I had been slowly putting on a couple of lbs over
the years before the kid by eating more than I should and slowing down on
activity, my weight climbed faster when our child arrived. Life seemed to go
from actively participating in things, to passively watching my kid do her
own exploring and activities.