Whete lowcarb and lowfat diets intersect

On 20 Apr 2004 15:02:12 GMT, Ignoramus4424
posted:

Obviously, low carb diets and low fat diets are sort of opposites of
one another. But not complete opposites. Specifically, both diets
forbid most junk foods (which are typically combinations of fat and
carbs) and pastry as such, and place some emphasis on less processed
foods. I wonder if just giving up junk food and other foods mentioned
above is what accounts for much of their success. Just curious.

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I suspect this might be quite true.
The optimal diet is somewhere in the middle. The fats and carbs
contained in the vareid wholefood diet should give you all you need.

Moosh wrote:

I suspect this might be quite true.
The optimal diet is somewhere in the middle. The fats and carbs

For those who have read the Atkins website or book, that is the ultimate
goal of the later phases of the process. Too many people think that the
induction (2 week) phase of Atkins *is* the entire diet. But Atkins is a
process: not a diet/menu. The later stages, and pre-maintenance phases,
include quite a lot of things in a varied wholefood diet.

CM
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Crafting Mom wrote:
Moosh wrote:

The optimal diet is somewhere in the middle. The fats and carbs

Losing the metabolic loophole that converting carb to fat is
inefficient, and the metabolic loophole that burning fat increases
BMR, AND the problem that going towards the middle increases
appetite. Yeah, sure, and I have a bridge for sale. I take
payment plans, too. Just plain moderation works for some. Good
for them. But it doesn't work for all that many.

For those who have read the Atkins website or book, that is the
ultimate goal of the later phases of the process.

I've also tried to get Moosh to actually read any book about low
carbing. No luck so far. Don't hold your breath.

Too many people think that the
induction (2 week) phase of Atkins *is* the entire diet. But Atkins is a
process: not a diet/menu. The later stages, and pre-maintenance phases,
include quite a lot of things in a varied wholefood diet.

Nasty hard work, that reading the book stuff. Nastier harder
work, that following the directions stuff. Funny thing about the
universe. It gives back to you what you put out to it. It
rewards exactly that sort of hard work ;^)

It is SO easy to take the simple minded approach and tell people
to "eat less and exercise more" like it was the only option. Sure,
the brute force method works. But it does ignore following the
directions. Atkins is the skill approach where "eat less and
exercise more" is the brute force unskill approach. Both work,
but there's this difference in the level of effort it takes to
acheive the same amount of loss. Atkins is FAR from obvious.