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Rapid weight loss good as motivator, etc.
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live
with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG "Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed. I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people, but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it. (Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that some might argue.) In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss. Any comments? Yours, Caleb Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity. * Delbridge E, * Proietto J. University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH), Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia, . It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger, but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ (450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to help control the drive to eat. PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
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On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote:
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG "Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed. I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people, but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it. (Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that some might argue.) In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss. Any comments? Yours, Caleb Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity. * Delbridge E, * Proietto J. University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH), Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia, . It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger, but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ (450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to help control the drive to eat. PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Well Gary -- different strokes for different folks! This study found different results, I guess. I hope your approach works for you! Yours, |
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On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote:
Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG Gary -- one more point If people require an appetite suppressant to maintain their weight loss, I would not necessarily be against it. People with diabetes, with seizures, hypertension, etc., etc. (heck! I have dermatitis) require medication to reduce negative effects. I think an appetite suppressant may be very effective in saving lives. Whatever is required is required! No atheists in foxholes. etc. etc. I've never taken such an appetite suppressant after I lost weight and I don't expect to have to do so in the future. FenPhen didn't work for me at all, in the several months I tried it. But certainly you would not presume to come between patients and their doctors. If a physician who knows a patient well and who is following the literature closely feels that her/his patient needs such medication, who the heck are we to look over their shoulder? Yours truly, Caleb |
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On Feb 12, 2:20 pm, "Caleb" wrote:
Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed. I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people, but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it. (Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that some might argue.) In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss. Any comments? Yours, Caleb Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity. * Delbridge E, * Proietto J. University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH), Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia, . It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger, but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ (450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to help control the drive to eat. PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] The complete paper is found he http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/APJ...p/Proietto.pdf "Conclusion "The available evidence suggests that treatment with a VLED does not lead to worse long-term results than other dietary approaches. In fact, some studies suggest that individuals maintain more weight loss when the weight loss is achieved using a VLED compared to a low energy diet. VLED is most effective when combined with behavioural change, active follow-up and pharmacotherapy to suppress the drive to eat if required." Yours, Caleb |
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Your point is taken and certainly a Doctor should know what's best but after
dealing with the medical profession I know that is not always true...Certainly there is a place for meds as well as the many forms of surgical answers but I'm fairly sure that most of us do best with less in and more exercise...Certainly your mileage may vary... It's seems easier and easier to find studies backing up these concepts...In the late 70's I used a product called Slender Now...Meal replacement twice a day and one meal of whatever...It worked...In fact I lost probably 75 lbs...But as with many of these things it was not something I could live with...In less than a year I had gained it all back and then some...It took almost 25 years more for me to make the changes needed...Many issues are at work for each of us...The important thing in my mind is to enjoy the journey...GG "Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote: Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG Gary -- one more point If people require an appetite suppressant to maintain their weight loss, I would not necessarily be against it. People with diabetes, with seizures, hypertension, etc., etc. (heck! I have dermatitis) require medication to reduce negative effects. I think an appetite suppressant may be very effective in saving lives. Whatever is required is required! No atheists in foxholes. etc. etc. I've never taken such an appetite suppressant after I lost weight and I don't expect to have to do so in the future. FenPhen didn't work for me at all, in the several months I tried it. But certainly you would not presume to come between patients and their doctors. If a physician who knows a patient well and who is following the literature closely feels that her/his patient needs such medication, who the heck are we to look over their shoulder? Yours truly, Caleb |
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On Feb 13, 10:03 am, "Gary G" wrote:
Your point is taken and certainly a Doctor should know what's best but after dealing with the medical profession I know that is not always true...Certainly there is a place for meds as well as the many forms of surgical answers but I'm fairly sure that most of us do best with less in and more exercise...Certainly your mileage may vary... It's seems easier and easier to find studies backing up these concepts...In the late 70's I used a product called Slender Now...Meal replacement twice a day and one meal of whatever...It worked...In fact I lost probably 75 lbs...But as with many of these things it was not something I could live with...In less than a year I had gained it all back and then some...It took almost 25 years more for me to make the changes needed...Many issues are at work for each of us...The important thing in my mind is to enjoy the journey...GG"Caleb" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 12, 3:34 pm, "Gary G" wrote: Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG Gary -- one more point If people require an appetite suppressant to maintain their weight loss, I would not necessarily be against it. People with diabetes, with seizures, hypertension, etc., etc. (heck! I have dermatitis) require medication to reduce negative effects. I think an appetite suppressant may be very effective in saving lives. Whatever is required is required! No atheists in foxholes. etc. etc. I've never taken such an appetite suppressant after I lost weight and I don't expect to have to do so in the future. FenPhen didn't work for me at all, in the several months I tried it. But certainly you would not presume to come between patients and their doctors. If a physician who knows a patient well and who is following the literature closely feels that her/his patient needs such medication, who the heck are we to look over their shoulder? Yours truly, Caleb Gary G -- AMEN BROTHER!!! AGAIN AMEN!!! Even though I am not religious, you move me to such praise!!! I sure/absolutely/fully/100 percent/etc. agree with what you say! Too bad there's so much gnashing of teeth. Yours, Caleb |
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Yours is the amazing science of "comon sense" the amazing thing is, it's one
of the few that no one sells, and I've found.. it;s the most effective! Will~ "Gary G" wrote in message ... Seems to me that a diet as they describe it is not something you can live with...Anecdotally for me every significant weight loss and there have been many in my 55 years was followed by a bigger gain than the time before...Why?...Well because very goofy diet I tried was not something I could live with...I now feel it's not what you eat but how much and how much exercise I do daily...3 meal replacements some starchy vegetables and a spoon of vegetable oil is not my idea of eating...I enjoy food and have now learned to eat portions which sustain me...I have no science to back up what I'm saying but for me it works...And if their only answer to failure is to take a pill I find this not an acceptable answer...GG "Caleb" wrote in message oups.com... Interesting abstract I came across in PubMed. I'm not saying that a rapid weight loss is desirable for most people, but the following research shows that a good case can be made for it. (Also that it clearly is not the uniformly terrible situation that some might argue.) In addition, the following article notes one of the preventive treatments for gallstones -- a teaspoon of vegetable oil The article also agrees with some of the points I made regarding the motivational aspects of a more rapid weight loss. Any comments? Yours, Caleb Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2006;15 Suppl:49-54. Links State of the science: VLED (Very Low Energy Diet) for obesity. * Delbridge E, * Proietto J. University of Melbourne, Department of Medicine(AH/NH), Repatriation Hospital, Heidelberg, Victoria 3081, Australia, . It is often stated, "the faster you lose weight, the faster it is regained ". A review of existing literature does not support such a statement--indeed if anything the reverse is true. The origins of this erroneous view are the misconceptions that weight regain is a simple matter of bad dietary and social habits and that it takes time to change these, that physiological adaptations to rapid weight loss are different to those of gradual weight loss and that weight regain is simply due to a return to old habits. Indeed there are many advantages to rapid weight loss achieved with the use of a modern very low energy diet, including the fact that rapid weight loss is a motivating factor, that the mild ketosis that occurs not only suppresses hunger, but also slows protein loss and that adherence is easier with a structured dietary regime. VLEDs are dietary preparations that provide all nutritional requirements together with between 1845 and 3280 KJ (450 and 800 Kcal) per day. An individual takes this meal replacement three times daily as a substitute for breakfast, lunch and dinner. In addition, a bowl of non-starchy vegetables once daily provides some fibre and helps to satisfy the social aspect of eating. A teaspoon of oil on the vegetables contracts the gall bladder to minimise the risk of gall stone formation. Since weight loss, at whatever rate, results in physiological adaptations leading to weight regain, careful attention must be paid to the period after the VLED regime is completed. Lifestyle modification, diet and exercise are instituted optimally with behaviour modification. If, despite the subject's best efforts, weight regain occurs, an appetite suppressant is advisable to help control the drive to eat. PMID: 16928661 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
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