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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"Ignoramus25707" wrote in message ... In article , JMA wrote: "Ignoramus8628" wrote in message ... In article , That T Woman wrote: This is one of your more stupid posts, Ig. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something positive to say about a 13 year old girl starving herself to stay stick thin. I wonder what her school work is like the days she only eats the piece of fruit. This is so not what we should want a 13 year old to be doing. "If she lives to old age"? What about the *quality* of her life now and in the immediate future? Well, I merely pointed out one aspect of her anorexic lifestyle that happens to be beneficial. Surely, one could find many other not so positive sides of anorexia, and you did a splendid job at that. Calling a post that brings up an interesting finding regarding cancer risk of anorexic women, stupid just because it does not pay lip service to dangers of anorexia (already well known), is not justifiable. i So if that was your 13 year old living on one piece of fruit a day in order to stay thin, it would be ok with you because it would reduce the possibility of cancer at a later age (if she lives long enough)? No, it would not be okay with me, and I did not say that her dieting was okay, it was your faulty inference. I find your pro-ana attitude extremely disturbing and I'm actually stunned that someone who claims to be such an intelligent adult can be so completely obtuse about this one subject. Anorexia has a high mortality rate, the highest rate of any psychiatric disorder and probably higher than some forms of breast cancer these days. Doubtless, it is a dangeour affliction, as I said before. Yet you feel the need to somehow point out "beneficial" aspects of it as if that's an actual benefit. Sorry if I'm just paying lip service to the truth. I'm not referring to your adult friends who maintain a calorie restricted WOE because they think it's going to help them live longer. I'm talking about teenagers who are terrified to eat because they think that their emaciated bodies are unattractively fat and who will literally starve themselves to death as a result. So much for increasing life expectancy, huh? Well, you are making unjustified inferences. i Unjustified only because I disagree with you. You tried to point out that there may actually be some type of benefit to having a serious, potentially fatal disorder based on one study. All I did was counter that with the fact that even IF being anorexic reduces your chance of getting breast cancer, the chance of death from the anorexia itself is relatively high thus negating any alleged benefit. I even went so far as to counter an argument you made in the past defending anorexia as an acceptable WOL since you haven't yet demonstrated that you understand the difference between anorexia nervosa the disease and the colloquial use of the term anorexia. You said that "one could find many other not so positive sides of anorexia" and yet we're not supposed to infer that you think there *IS* a positive side to having anorexia???? I didn't pull this one out of thin air either - these are your own words. I'm perfectly justified in believing that it's a disturbed way of thinking based on my personal experience with anorexics and knowledge about the disease. I'm not going to argue this one anymore since I made my point and all you want to do is complain about how unfair we're being toward you. jma another one for the vault |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"GaryG" wrote in message ... "OceanView" wrote in message ... Carol Frilegh wrote in : Young, skinny and obsessed with diets Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about weight snipped In spite of the anorexia debate, I can tell you that the disease is not restricted to girls. I went from 6'0 225 at 14 to 6'2" 160 at 17 and still saw myself as fat. I'd had a lifetime of extremes and I consider it all the same disease: low self-esteem. (Side note: John Lennon became anorexic after reading that he'd gotten a nickname as "the fat Beatle.") Are you saying you were anorexic during that period? The numbers don't seem to support that. Losing 65 lbs over the course of 3 years would require a daily deficit of around 210 calories per day - a very reasonable and healthy rate of weight loss. A 6'2" 160 lb 17 year old male has a Body Mass Index of 20.5 (in the Normal Range), and is in the 38th weight percentile based on US averages. So, you were on the low side of normal, but still well above the "Underweight" category. The CDC definition of "Underweight" for adolescents is " 5th percentile" for Body Mass Index. For a 17-year old male, that would require a BMI17.6 (137 lbs at your height). Based on this definition, at 160 lbs, you were still 23 lbs above "Underweight". Perhaps it's one of those "good news/bad news" scenarios...while it's true that you may have suffered from low self-esteem and had an obsession with food during that time, it seems unlikely that you were truly anorexic. In order for a person to be "truly" anorexic the BMI needs to be 18 AND they have to be overly concerned with weight, body appearance, or be extremely fearful of being fat or gaining weight. |
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Article: Young, skinny ã and obsessed with diets
In article , OceanView
wrote: Carol Frilegh wrote in : In article , Steve wrote: Carol Frilegh wrote: Young, skinny ã and obsessed with diets Weight concerns can as early as 14 Fashion, parents take the blameGirls, and some boys too, unduly concerned about weight snip A decade ago this article would have inspired outrage, but that was before obese toddlers and teen agers with type II diabetes. Steve Once there was a little girl named Alice who fell down the rabbit hole and confronted with a door she couldn't get through nibbled one side of a mushroom and got too tall, then ate from the other side and became too small. Moral of the story: be moderate and realistic or eat zucchini instead of mushrooms! You forgot: Watch where you step! Especially in Paris. It's loaded with dog ****. -- Diva ***** The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"Ignoramus25707" wrote in message ... of course reducing risk of breast cancer is a real benefit, unless you think that breast cancer is a good thing. Surely, for those who have not heard it enough times, I must say, that there are also bad consequences from "anorexia"!!! It is also a scientifically interesting finding, that I wanted to share. You said that "one could find many other not so positive sides of anorexia" and yet we're not supposed to infer that you think there *IS* a positive side to having anorexia???? Do you want to get breast cancer? If not, surely you will appreciate lowering its chances, all other things being equal. i Crack kills. You need to put down the pipe now. |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
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The simple, horrible truth about anorexia is, if they do not stop the behavior, they will die. It will kill them. And, if they do stop, they still risk suffering from osteoporosis in old age. Anorexia is growing is some parts of the population. It's growing in younger girls and in young gay males. It's a dreadful addiction that is spurned on by our modern media. Martha Not to mention the stress created by our double standards like low-rider pants and fast-food on every corner. I had that growing up. My mom would say "finish your plate" and then in the next sentence, "why do you eat so much, the boys will never like you if you're too fat." No wonder I developed an eating disorder..... Martha |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
JMA wrote:
"Ignoramus25707" wrote: Do you want to get breast cancer? If not, surely you will appreciate lowering its chances, all other things being equal. Crack kills. You need to put down the pipe now. hee! it's true, ig. give it up. you have no argument here. |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" wrote in message .. . JMA wrote: "Ignoramus25707" wrote: Do you want to get breast cancer? If not, surely you will appreciate lowering its chances, all other things being equal. Crack kills. You need to put down the pipe now. hee! it's true, ig. give it up. you have no argument here. Isn't it fascinating how, in his desire to make every thread about him, he will never stop, even when it makes him look like a complete ninny? : ) Martha |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
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MH wrote: (snipped) The simple, horrible truth about anorexia is, if they do not stop the behavior, they will die. It will kill them. And, if they do stop, they still risk suffering from osteoporosis in old age. Anorexia is growing is some parts of the population. It's growing in younger girls and in young gay males. It's a dreadful addiction that is spurned on by our modern media. Martha Not to mention the stress created by our double standards like low-rider pants and fast-food on every corner. I had that growing up. My mom would say "finish your plate" I used to stop at the part that says "Ainsley, pure bone china" :-) -- Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
"JMA" wrote in message
[...] In order for a person to be "truly" anorexic the BMI needs to be 18 AND they have to be overly concerned with weight, body appearance, or be extremely fearful of being fat or gaining weight. Is this true? I'm not trying to correct you, I'm just curious. If someone exhibited anorexic behavior - only ate, I don't know, an apple and a cracker a day and worked out like a demon - but weighed 200 pounds (They would, of course, probably not stay 200 for long, I realize)... are they not an anorexic because their BMI is too high? megan |
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Article: Young, skinny < and obsessed with diets
On 6/6/2004 12:38 AM, Ignoramus8628 wrote:
Calling a post that brings up an interesting finding regarding cancer risk of anorexic women, stupid just because it does not pay lip service to dangers of anorexia (already well known), is not justifiable. Of course it's justifiable! Besides, your post really *is* scraping the bottom of the barrel and isn't even consistent with your previous posts regarding individuals with low BMIs. -- jmk in NC |
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