can't do atkins anymore :(

Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
Cholesterol goes up.

But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
energy---cholesterol goes down.

So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.

Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
nutriant.

You might wait until after your upcoming blood tests to begin Atkins.
This will let you know what your "before Atkins" cholesterol, blood
sugar and triglycerides are.

Assuming it will be at least 90 days before MORE blood tests, during
which time you will have been on Atkins, the second round of blood
scores ought to be much better---and your doc will be pleased. , THEN
tell him, "By the way, Doc....Ive been on Atkins for three months...."

LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

Cammie wrote:

Atkins was a success for me in losting 30 pounds in four months,

In the 2002 edition of DANDR it said it's okay to get cholesterol
measured at 3 months in, but in the 1972, 1993 and 1999 editions
it said 6 months in. I think the last edition got too aggresive.
I suggest retesting after being on-plan for the full 6 months.

my doctor
said I need to watch my cholesteral (even though it isn't that bad)

Step back and look at what this says again. What it *says* is
you aren't being pressured to take cholesterol drugs. Translation -
whatever your cholesterol used to be it is now good enough that
it doesn't need medication. Lass Chance's question comes in -
What were the numbers before you started.

and he
said I shouldn't do Atkins anymore because of the eggs and meat and higher
fat. I'm very upset about this.

In the famous words of Bugs Bunny "What a maroon". You are not
yet to the 6 month point (which he's supposed to know about, right?)
and you aren't subject to medications. So he wants to have
something to blather about. Time for a new doc. This one is
clearly clueless.

I've tried doing low carb, but don't lose weight without my body getting the
extra fat to make it satisfied and tricked into my not putting it on a
"diet".

Oh, so you followed the directions then. Isn't it amazing
how following the directions works even though it runs
against what is obvious?

Any ideas how I can stick to a Atkins or low carb eating regime and still be
successful in losing weight? ANy thoughts

You are already doing fine in everything but having a
"maroon" doctor.

Lass Chance_2 wrote:
Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
Cholesterol goes up.

But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
energy---cholesterol goes down.

So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.

Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
nutriant.

I beg to differ. A doctor who does not know the basics of nutrition is
a bad doctor. A doctor who practices knowing that he does not know even
the basics of nutrition is a dangerous greedy fool.

Nutrition is the absolute basic and fundamental foundation for good
health. Health does not come in a pill bottle or on a surgeons table.
It comes from nutritious food. Without good nutrition, it doesn't
matter how many doctors treat you, you will still be sick. With good
nutrition, you will only need a doctor for setting bone breaks and
sutures.

A doctor who does not know his nutrition inside and out should be
retired. It is up to the health care consumer to avoid these ignorant
jackasses and go to a naturopath or nutrition-based health-care
provider who knows what real good health is about.

TC

I told a personal trainer who is employed by my gym at work that I
was on Atkins, and she told me it was "dangerous." She recommended I
try a "modified South Beach" diet (what kind of modifications she meant
she didn't explain).

However, it was my doctor who told me I needed to "cut my carbs" when
I last saw him. I haven't told him yet that I've been LC-ing for the
past four months. I'd be curious what kind of reaction I would get,
considering the amount of weight I've dropped so far. I can't imagine
he wouldn't think this was positive, but then I read stuff like this...

Lass Chance_2 wrote:
Doctors spend very little time studying nutrition in medical school.
Most of them done know didley.

I havent seen my doc since before I started LCing....but when I do see
him next, I expect my 20 lb loss and lowered cholesterol, blood sugar
and triglycerides are gonna do my talking, for me. Nothing succeeds
like success....and your doctors' knee-jerk reaction to HIS IDEA of what
Atkins is about shouldnt stop you from doing what YOU KNOW works.

Did your cholesterol go UP or DOWN after you began to LC?

My first concern, too, when I heard about LCing was, "Will I have a
heart attack? Wont my cholesterol go thru the roof? ALL THAT MEAT, EGGS
and CHEESE!!!"

But what I didnt understand and what your doc doesnt, either is that
eating very few carbs forces our bodies to burn that extra fat we're
consuming....not lining our blood vessels with it.

Just say, "OK, Doc!" then go home and Atkins yer butt off. The next time
you see him, you will have lost weight and your blood scores will be
fine...and he'll think it's all due to his medical brilliance.

LassChance

5-16-05 202/182/162

In article ,
"Cammie" wrote:

Atkins was a success for me in losting 30 pounds in four months, my doctor
said I need to watch my cholesteral (even though it isn't that bad) and he
said I shouldn't do Atkins anymore because of the eggs and meat and higher
fat. I'm very upset about this.

I've tried doing low carb, but don't lose weight without my body getting the
extra fat to make it satisfied and tricked into my not putting it on a
"diet".

Any ideas how I can stick to a Atkins or low carb eating regime and still be
successful in losing weight? ANy thoughts





Your doctor is criminally uninformed about where cholesterol comes from
and the effects of fat on the human body.

Read this and then make a copy for your doctor:

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cho...ol_myth_1.html

BTW, YOU are in charge of your body, and the last thing you should do is
blindly follow a doctor spouting 30 year old information. Losing the
weight has a far more positive effect on your health than ANYTHING else.

--
Wayne Crannell
Sherman, TX
248/141 10/27/01

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, FOB wrote:

Your doctor is relying on outdated and incorrect information. Most people
here report improved cholesterol numbers after a few months of low carb
eating. Keep on doing Atkins and have him do the blood tests in six months,
then you can teach him a lesson about the positive effects of low carbing.


One thing to keep in mind here, though, is that the time it takes for the
readings to change can vary. And, of course, some people don't see
significant improvements. Despite sticking rigorously to a low carb diet,
and losing a non-trivial amount of weight, my LDL stayed highish (160s)
for quite a long time (interestingly, that was the same as my readings
when I'd been following a strict low-fat diet, so it obviously wasn't
caused by the increased fat in my diet). My primary doctor, taking into
account my HDL in the 80s and tris in the 40-50s range and my very low
HS-CRP, said that was fine. But others who looked at my numbers tended to
focus on the LDL. My LDL is now down to 119, but that's taken almost 3
years.

For women particularly (I'm guessing from your screen name), the studies
suggest that it's not the absolute numbers, but rather the ratios that
matter. So, you and your doctor shouldn't focus on the total number or
even the LDL number, but rather look at the whole picture. In order to do
this, you need to know your numbers for LDL, HDL (higher is better for
HDL), and triglycerides.

If your doctor wants you to jettison a way of eating that has been working
for you solely on the basis of moderately elevated cholestorol readings,
then maybe it's time to consider whether you need another doctor.

Martha



"Cammie" wrote in message
...
Atkins was a success for me in losting 30 pounds in four months, my doctor
said I need to watch my cholesteral (even though it isn't that bad) and he
said I shouldn't do Atkins anymore because of the eggs and meat and higher
fat. I'm very upset about this.

I've tried doing low carb, but don't lose weight without my body getting the
extra fat to make it satisfied and tricked into my not putting it on a
"diet".

Any ideas how I can stick to a Atkins or low carb eating regime and still be
successful in losing weight? ANy thoughts

wrote:
:: I told a personal trainer who is employed by my gym at work that I
:: was on Atkins, and she told me it was "dangerous." She recommended I
:: try a "modified South Beach" diet (what kind of modifications she
:: meant she didn't explain).

-Sigh-

::
:: However, it was my doctor who told me I needed to "cut my carbs"
:: when I last saw him. I haven't told him yet that I've been LC-ing
:: for the past four months. I'd be curious what kind of reaction I
:: would get, considering the amount of weight I've dropped so far. I
:: can't imagine he wouldn't think this was positive, but then I read
:: stuff like this...

Why didn't you tell your doctor that you're LCing? Maybe I'm just
misinterpreting your statement.

Roger Zoul wrote:
wrote:
:: I told a personal trainer who is employed by my gym at work that I
:: was on Atkins, and she told me it was "dangerous." She recommended I
:: try a "modified South Beach" diet (what kind of modifications she
:: meant she didn't explain).

-Sigh-

::
:: However, it was my doctor who told me I needed to "cut my carbs"
:: when I last saw him. I haven't told him yet that I've been LC-ing
:: for the past four months. I'd be curious what kind of reaction I
:: would get, considering the amount of weight I've dropped so far. I
:: can't imagine he wouldn't think this was positive, but then I read
:: stuff like this...

Why didn't you tell your doctor that you're LCing? Maybe I'm just
misinterpreting your statement.

No, I haven't told him yet. I probably should. Then again, I'm 31,
otherwise healthy, so I just rationalized putting it off.

TC--you're preaching to the choir, here. I agree doctors SHOULD know
everything about nutrition. But, they dont. I agree that nutrition IS
the basis for health----but, regardless of that....they dont.

Western medicine isnt based upon promoting health---it's based upon
curing sickness, once health fails. In real life and to you and me, "An
ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure", but western medicine is
not based upon that principle.

Eastern medicne, on the other hand is ALL about maintaining health and
preventing disease, thru nutrition, balance, herbs to improve the immune
system so that nobody gets sick, in the first place. Illness is seen as
an indicator of an imbalance and gently treated to restore natural
balance.

Western medicine sees illness as an ememy that must be beaten to the
ground with force---bombarded with chemicals and destroyed, forced out.

If you limit your search for a western doc to only those who have deep
knowledge of nutrition, you'll be looking for a LONG time.

100% of doctors know the names and dosage of the current top 10
chemicals to treat cancer. Maybe one of 100 knows that broccoli sprouts
eaten daily will prevent most forms of cancer and brave is the lone doc
who will actualy suggest it t his patients.

That's the way it is.

I worked for a Rheumatologist inN Y a long time back who treated many
patients with severe psoriasis, which can kill you if 60-70% of the body
is affected. From his father, a concentration camp survivor, he learned
that Jews in concentration camps who came in with psoriasis got "cured"
in the camps. Dr.S . figured it must be related to what they ate---or
more likely, what they DID NOT eat, namely red meat.

So, he put 12 of his most severely affected patients in the hospital for
three weeks and the only protein they received was white turkey meat. In
three weeks, all were vastly improved and continued to avoid red meat
after their hosputal stay and got even better.

Delighted with the results of his 'turkey cure" for psoriasis, Dr.S
wrote his findings and published them.,....to the general scorn and
amusement of the medical community.

"For God's sake, Harry", said his colleague, a fellow rheumatologist,
"Cant you just treat 'em with corticosteroids, like everybody else?"

Sad story---true story.

LassChance


can't do atkins anymore

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Mon, Aug 8, 2005, 1:47pm (EDT-3)
From:
Lass Chance_2 wrote:
Cammie---about 'eggs and meat and cheese raising cholesterol". Say you
eat two fried eggs, two slices of bacon, two slices of toast and some
hashbrowns. The carbs in the hashbrowns and bread are much easier and
quicker to burn than the bacon and eggs. So, your body burns the carbs
and stores the fat---including lining your blood vessels with it.
Cholesterol goes up.
But when you dont eat the toast or potatoes....your body HAS to use the
fat and protein as today's fuel---it has nothing TO 'store". It, along
with some of your already stored fat gets burned for today's
energy---cholesterol goes down.
So....in reality, it isnt the eggs, cheese and meat that makes
cholesterol go up.....it's the presence of the carbs you ate along with
it. The carbs got burned...and the fat got stored.
Not knowing this doesnt make your doctor a bad doctor. As I said,
nutrition isnt stressed in medical school beyond teaching them the old
food pyramid, LOL, and the diseases that come from lack of this or that
nutriant.
I beg to differ. A doctor who does not know the basics of nutrition is a
bad doctor. A doctor who practices knowing that he does not know even
the basics of nutrition is a dangerous greedy fool.
Nutrition is the absolute basic and fundamental foundation for good
health. Health does not come in a pill bottle or on a surgeons table. It
comes from nutritious food. Without good nutrition, it doesn't matter
how many doctors treat you, you will still be sick. With good nutrition,
you will only need a doctor for setting bone breaks and sutures.
A doctor who does not know his nutrition inside and out should be
retired. It is up to the health care consumer to avoid these ignorant
jackasses and go to a naturopath or nutrition-based health-care provider
who knows what real good health is about.
TC



5-16-05 202/182/162

I know on atkins my cholestrol goes down, I would give it another 3-4 months
and get tested again, then see if it up or down, you may be able to change
his mind. And even then, doctors are not always right.
You will know if your body is better and you are healthier.


Fiona

"Cammie" wrote in message
...
Atkins was a success for me in losting 30 pounds in four months, my doctor
said I need to watch my cholesteral (even though it isn't that bad) and he
said I shouldn't do Atkins anymore because of the eggs and meat and higher
fat. I'm very upset about this.

I've tried doing low carb, but don't lose weight without my body getting
the extra fat to make it satisfied and tricked into my not putting it on a
"diet".

Any ideas how I can stick to a Atkins or low carb eating regime and still
be successful in losing weight? ANy thoughts