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ASDLC moderated group?
Does anyone know what it would take to make a usenet newsgroup
moderated? The amount of spam is reaching the kind of level where I start missing legit posts. Someone should have the authority to remove all obvious "money maker" spamming posts. |
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"H.L" wrote:
Does anyone know what it would take to make a usenet newsgroup moderated? The amount of spam is reaching the kind of level where I start missing legit posts. Someone should have the authority to remove all obvious "money maker" spamming posts. Note well - There is zero possibility that ASDLC will ever be converted to moderated. No UseNet server ever retroactively moderates any group ever. It would be a new group with a new name like misc.health.diet.low-carb.moderated. Someone could post a pointer on a regular basis to let newbies know where to look. I'm on the moderation team for news.groups.proposals, on the newsgroups mentors mailing list, a backup moderator for news.admin.moderation and I've been through the process of getting a moderated group (soc.religion.asatru) created so I know much about the process and the requirements. A moderated parallel group has been discussed off-group by a short list of folks on and off for a couple of years at this point. There has not been enough interest to proceed. 1) Someone needs to write an RFD - Request For Discussion - and post it to news.announce.newgroups and news.groups.proposals. There's a template available for this and I help folks through it regularly for other groups. I view this as the easy part. 2) Several people need to volunteer to be moderators. This means either approve messages as they come in, set up filters to automate the process, or some combination. Anyone reasonably smart can learn quickly and anyone already tech savvy can pick it up almost on the spot. Folks with prior moderation experience (newsgroups, mailing lists, web fora) are preferred as most of the moderation work is judgement not technical. I'm already on a few teams so I'm maxxed out for this. Ideally folks distributed geographically works best - One team I'm on has members in NZ, UK and 2 US time zones. This is neither the easy part nor the hard part but off-group discussions so far have produced zero volunteers. 3) Then follow the discussion on NGP and take into account suggestions. Follow the sequence of steps as described in the documents on www.big8.org. I also view this as the easy part. 4) Select one of the available moderation packages and options. I already use two different moderation packages on 4 different servers and they are of widely varying quality. The trade off is mostly quick response with poor quality through hand moderation with good filtering. 5) The hard part - Someone donates a server with a static IP address and runs a freeware package on it. Or someone ponies up the cash flow for a commercial service that supplies the server and software with support - the cost runs about a dollar a day. If someone will step forward for this none of the other steps will be much of a problem. I already sponsor a group so I'm tapped out on that front. If anyone is willing to supply a server or pay the cash, say so and this can happen. If anyone with prior moderation experience but not already maxxed out on moderation dutires, say so and some of the prep work is handled. Benefits - The folks involved would get to decide if all cross-posts get ejected. Think how much better the noise level would be if all of the fat acceptance traffic never arrived in the group. Little would be lost to cross posts to the other diet support groups. And there's a non-obvious side effect of having a moderated group - The noise level on the non-moderated version improves. It would do nothing to slow down the spammers or the most obvious loons but fewer cross-posted nonsense threads would happen. |
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H.L wrote:
Does anyone know what it would take to make a usenet newsgroup moderated? The amount of spam is reaching the kind of level where I start missing legit posts. Someone should have the authority to remove all obvious "money maker" spamming posts. Nobody likes spammers, but moderated groups never seem to work. I read rec.nude, and you can imagine the nutcases, religious zealots and spammers that newsgroup attracts. We tried rec.nude.moderated, but nobody would read or post messages to the group. Moderated groups will die a natural death, and I am not sure what causes that to happen. Try using a kill filter and see if that helps. Becca |
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Becca wrote in message ... Nobody likes spammers, but moderated groups never seem to work. I read rec.nude, and you can imagine the nutcases, religious zealots and spammers that newsgroup attracts. We tried rec.nude.moderated, but nobody would read or post messages to the group. Moderated groups will die a natural death, and I am not sure what causes that to happen. Try using a kill filter and see if that helps. Becca I don't like moderated groups myself. I would sooner deal with spammers, since it's easy enough to skip them, or as you say, killfile them if they are huge returning nuisances. Cheri |
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I never see any spam on this group. Maybe you should learn to employ newsgroup filters? Susan I don't see much at all, except for all that crap from India in the past few days, which seems to be gone now. Cheri I saw stuff selling Herbalife products, someone promoting an all chocolate diet, a post called "sexy ex girlfriends" on top of all that Indian stuff and some more just for the last few days. I see all your points and I accept the difficulties that Doug's posts. I don't know how to killfile people when I read the groups with Netscape. To sum things up, I suppose that we will stay as we are, but spam is becoming a problem in the group. I maintain that it risks blocking real posts from being viewed. |
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Spam is not becoming a problem in the group, it's a problem between you and Netscape. Click around your settings and preferences til you find your filtering options. Susan It may well be a problem with a group. People without your knowledge of filtering may leave the group beacuse of all spam, potentially pushing them away from low carbohydrate diets. This is against the purpose of having the group. |
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Doug Freyburger writes:
"H.L" wrote: Does anyone know what it would take to make a usenet newsgroup moderated? The amount of spam is reaching the kind of level where I start missing legit posts. Someone should have the authority to remove all obvious "money maker" spamming posts. This group has less spam than most of the other groups I'm subscribed to, and easily better than the other alt groups. Which isn't to say the level of spam isn't annoying. Worse than the spam, though, in my opinion, is the cross-posted trolling. Note well - There is zero possibility that ASDLC will ever be converted to moderated. No UseNet server ever retroactively moderates any group ever. It would be a new group with a new name like misc.health.diet.low-carb.moderated. Someone could post a pointer on a regular basis to let newbies know where to look. I've participated in one newsgroup (comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi) that was self-moderated. I don't remember the particulars exactly, but when I posted my first message to the group, it sent me an email with instructions for verifying myself, and when I followed those instructions, my post went through. After that, it recognized me and accepted my messages automatically. That seemed to be a nice compromise between zero and full moderation. Interestingly, it appears that newsgroup converted to moderation after already existing. That was in 1996, though, so maybe that couldn't happen today. After I move in April, *if* I have a static IP address, which I don't know about yet, and *if* there's enough interest, I'll be glad to host the necessary software to moderate a low-carb group. -- Aaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz |
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:25:56 +0100, "H.L" wrote:
Spam is not becoming a problem in the group, it's a problem between you and Netscape. Click around your settings and preferences til you find your filtering options. Susan It may well be a problem with a group. People without your knowledge of filtering may leave the group beacuse of all spam, potentially pushing them away from low carbohydrate diets. This is against the purpose of having the group. If they have that little knowledge of Usenet, a moderated group isn't going to help them. -- BlueBrooke 254/225/135 |
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Aaron Baugher wrote:
Doug Freyburger writes: "H.L" wrote: Does anyone know what it would take to make a usenet newsgroup moderated? The amount of spam is reaching the kind of level where I start missing legit posts. Someone should have the authority to remove all obvious "money maker" spamming posts. Fortunately spam and troll are low carb. This group has less spam than most of the other groups I'm subscribed to, and easily better than the other alt groups. *Which isn't to say the level of spam isn't annoying. *Worse than the spam, though, in my opinion, is the cross-posted trolling. One very simple rule for moderation software is to automatically reject any cross-posted message. There are groups were the occasional cross-posted message is good, but it's very rare on ASDLC for any cross-post except ASDLC+ASD to be anything but a troll message or responses by folks who don't notice the cross-posting groups. Note well - There is zero possibility that ASDLC will ever be converted to moderated. *No UseNet server ever retroactively moderates any group ever. *It would be a new group with a new name like misc.health.diet.low-carb.moderated. *Someone could post a pointer on a regular basis to let newbies know where to look. I've participated in one newsgroup (comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi) that was self-moderated. *I don't remember the particulars exactly, but when I posted my first message to the group, it sent me an email with instructions for verifying myself, and when I followed those instructions, my post went through. *After that, it recognized me and accepted my messages automatically. * Here's the problem I encountered with that in the diccussion of the moderated group I worked on - This will ensure that noone with an invalid e-mail address can ever post to the group. There are a lot of folks who believe that posting with a valid e-mail address invites spam. It's not true when actually measuring spam received by an actively posting account like mine and an account that's never posted to UseNet, but user posting habits are based on beliefs so hard data like that is immaterial. I ended up not willing to drop all posters with invalid addresses. That seemed to be a nice compromise between zero and full moderation. *Interestingly, it appears that newsgroup converted to moderation after already existing. *That was in 1996, though, so maybe that couldn't happen today. Right. I think that was the second newsgroup ever to be retroactively moderated. The mess that resulted was enough that several of the largest NSP/ISPs siad they'd never try it a third time. After I move in April, *if* I have a static IP address, which I don't know about yet, and *if* there's enough interest, I'll be glad to host the necessary software to moderate a low-carb group. Feel free to e-mail me about the topic. My address is valid. |
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:41:22 -0500, BlueBrooke .@. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:25:56 +0100, "H.L" wrote: Spam is not becoming a problem in the group, it's a problem between you and Netscape. Click around your settings and preferences til you find your filtering options. Susan It may well be a problem with a group. People without your knowledge of filtering may leave the group beacuse of all spam, potentially pushing them away from low carbohydrate diets. This is against the purpose of having the group. If they have that little knowledge of Usenet, a moderated group isn't going to help them. Totally disagree. I have a hard time avoiding spam in this group, and I'm well versed with my particular news reader. Also, with filtering, it's easy to filter out too much stuff. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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