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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"SnugBear" wrote in message .4... Ignoramus21819 wrote: Anyway, I will read up on milk and hormones. Is there perhaps more expensive milk that is made from cows not fed hormones? Such as "organic" milk? Oh we have *special dairies* that sell *special milk* from *special cows* - all at a very *special price* here in Maine. hmph -- And one of your *special dairies* actually a milk processor that gets milk only from hormone free dairies is getting sued by Monsanto, the maker of the bovine growth hormone for advertising that their farmers certify that they don't use the hormones. Milk that is certified as organic comes from cows that are not given the growth hormone and does come at a premium. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
OK. There are these little things called "calories" and when you put
foodsy-woodsy in your mouthy-poo it contains some of these calories. They won't hurt you if you don't get sicky-wicky. Maybe ask Dr. Seus for more info. "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Pizza Girl" wrote in message s.com... Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low fat products etc. High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too. "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Ignoramus21819" wrote in message ... This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of them have no clue as to what they are talking about. One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is "high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet) Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all. i In article , Diarmid Logan wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said. Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep children slim. Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5 Live. He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a "rethink". He added that children should be weighed regularly in school. The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK. In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost double the figure in 1989. The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes, heart disease and some forms of cancer. Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates, worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat as much. "I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why it works," he said. "The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for losing weight." Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early heart attack. But some British doctors are already putting obese children on Atkins-style diets. Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is good for children. "The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't lie down. "I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein - is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to get weight off." But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council, warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health effects of being on the diet. "We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising children to follow diets like Atkins." |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Please tell me that you've had your ovaries removed.
-- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Pizza Girl" wrote in message s.com... OK. There are these little things called "calories" and when you put foodsy-woodsy in your mouthy-poo it contains some of these calories. They won't hurt you if you don't get sicky-wicky. Maybe ask Dr. Seus for more info. "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Pizza Girl" wrote in message s.com... Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low fat products etc. High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too. "JC Der Koenig" wrote in message m... It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense. -- Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little. Becky P. "Ignoramus21819" wrote in message ... This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of them have no clue as to what they are talking about. One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is "high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet) Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all. i In article , Diarmid Logan wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said. Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep children slim. Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5 Live. He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a "rethink". He added that children should be weighed regularly in school. The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK. In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost double the figure in 1989. The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes, heart disease and some forms of cancer. Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates, worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat as much. "I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why it works," he said. "The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for losing weight." Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early heart attack. But some British doctors are already putting obese children on Atkins-style diets. Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is good for children. "The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't lie down. "I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein - is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to get weight off." But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council, warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health effects of being on the diet. "We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising children to follow diets like Atkins." |
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I stopped drinking milk about 5 years ago. Prior to that, I would drink 2-3
gallons a week by myself. Within a couple of months of stopping, my face cleared up considerably and I wasn't nearly as bloated. I used to have terrible cystic acne due to my pcos. Not drinking that stuff helped me clear it up. I avoid it now, except when it is occassionally an ingrediant in something I am eating (i.e. low calorie dessert bars, etc.). I never knew that about the growth hormones! I do know that I did grow up pretty tall and big boned in a short family. I wonder if excess milk consumption during childhood contributed to that. I am a bit over 5'9, my sister and mom are 5'5 and my dad is 5'10. I am the tallest female on both sides of my family and I have a ton of cousins. No one knows where I got the height from. "That T Woman" wrote in message In cow's milk you have all kinds of hormones that are given to the cows and pass through in the milk. I was reading on another fitness related newsgroup and the guys were discussing how you can get really huge (hooge I think is how they put it) by drinking a gallon of whole milk a day not just from the calories but also from the growth hormones. Soy milk doesn't have those things in it. I can't drink cow milk or most other dairy products because they cause too much phlegm production in my sinuses. I don't know what component in cow milk causes that but it's a severe reaction in me that I go out of my way to avoid. Tonia |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
In sci.life-extension Mark D. wrote or quoted:
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message news:HuMvG3.7Jq@bath When a diet is described as "high in fat", it usually means the *percentage* of fat in the diet is high. It's the same with high protein diets. Atkins is a low carb diet - so it is high in fats and proteins - at least as far as the percentages go. Problem is, Tim, that Atkins is then criticised for being a 'dangerously' high-fat or 'worryingly' high-protein diet -- even though the *absolute amounts of these food-types consumed* may actually be *lower* for an appetite-suppressed Atkins dieter than for the sugar-crazed carb-junkie sitting next to them. My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up for the lack of carbohydrates. You're a *bright guy*, Tim -- so *why* do you keep selling out to the Dark Side on this matter? What issues do you have with this? Seriously. There *has to be a reason* why you stop making sense whenever this stuff crops up... The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| People should be encouraged to eat more fruit and vegetables - not to replace them with animal fat. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ Remove lock to reply. |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Well, Atkins stresses vegetable (especially) and fruit intake in his books
(at least in his "age-defying" book - the only one I've read). He even ranks fruit and vegetables according to the ratio of antioxidants to carbohydrates. I think the "animal fat" part is misquoting his ideas somewhat (at least the parts I've read). He stresses omega-3 rich foods, fish, good oils, etc quite a lot. A fair amount is devoted to improving the HDL to LDL ratio. He likes eggs more than the medical establishment has traditionally thought healthy. I think the idea that the Atkins diet is a kind of rabid steak-eating fetish is rather inaccurate. The basic ideas of restricting (especially refined) carbohydrates and getting a healthy intake of good fats and sufficient protein seem pretty well known. In combination with sufficient intake of vegetables (primarily) and fruits, this sounds like a fairly good eating plan (ignoring the possibly significant issue of total calorie intake). Ryan |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Tim Tyler wrote:
My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up for the lack of carbohydrates. My experience has been to keep the protein and fat relatively the same, but lower the carbohydrates. I eat less protein than your average non-dieter, lots of green vegetables, adequate fat. It's high-protein as a matter of percentage of overall diet, but not by actual amounts. It's simply a matter of leaving out the high starch and high-sugar foods. The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| People should be encouraged to eat more fruit and vegetables - not to replace them with animal fat. I don't actually follow Atkins, but I've read the book several times. One of the most common ignorant assumptions spread by those who have clearly not read the book is that Atkins doesn't allow vegetables, and that you can't touch an apple again. Not true. Atkins teaches how to regulate healthy amounts of these carbohydrate sources in ongoing weight loss. Atkins is not an all meat diet. Carbohydrates are replaced with healthy green vegetables, and lower glycemic fruits can eventually be added back (blueberries, strawberries, etc). CM |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
"Mark D." wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message ... "Diarmid Logan" wrote in message om... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm 'Put fat children on Atkins diet' I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and get more excercise. Jeff's rules of food: 1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement leaves the table). 2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table. 3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in designated areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table). 4) No food in front of the TV/computer. 5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per day, combined. 6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food includes chips, cookies, cake) 7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks away, you walk, not ride. 8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together. Jeff Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...(*) Actually, these work, if you do them. Do you have a better idea? J M. (*) Where some people even have *spell-checkers*... |
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'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not
fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up for the lack of carbohydrates. Well, that is that funny thing about low-carb diet - there is no lack of carbohydrates. Carbohydrates generally have opposite effect to satiety - they make you more hungry, at least in longer term. Add too that hunger-control effects of ketosis - and you have low-calorie diet. Sometimes, when temporarily out of it, I believe I can even feel the moment when ketosis kicks in again - I start feeling little bit hungry (low blood sugar), then I feel little bit strange for a minute or two and suddenly hunger is away and I feel a boost of energy (body starts to converting fat to glucose and ketones). Of course, could be just my imagination Believe, after 4 months on LC, I have actually to watch my protein intake not be too LOW (I aim to 1g/kg). The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| People should be encouraged to eat more fruit and vegetables - not to replace them with animal fat. Yes, and there is another strange effect of low-carb diet - once you cut out high-carb stuff, you will likely eat much more vegetables - it is like high-carb affects your eating habits in two bad directions - you eat too much and you do not have room for veggies, as high-carb stuff takes their place. Mirek |
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Tim Tyler wrote:
Mark D. wrote: When a diet is described as "high in fat", it usually means the *percentage* of fat in the diet is high. It's the same with high protein diets. Right. Atkins is a low carb diet - so it is high in fats and proteins - at least as far as the percentages go. Wrong. You seriously need to actually read the book so you know what foods are supposed to be eaten. And you need to do that before you blather on further misrepresenting what the Atkins process is. Problem is, Tim, that Atkins is then criticised for being a 'dangerously' high-fat or 'worryingly' high-protein diet -- even though the *absolute amounts of these food-types consumed* may actually be *lower* for an appetite-suppressed Atkins dieter than for the sugar-crazed carb-junkie sitting next to them. It depends on how you define "high fat". If you define "high fat" in terms of high caloric intake, Atkins forbids over eating once the initial carb cravings of the first week are gone. So Atkins is not high fat in that sense because it's forbidden to eat enough to acheive that. If you define "high fat" in terms of percentage of the calories that are actually eaten, once you've read all 4 editions of the book to see what foods are mandated, you will understand that Atkins is indeed high fat by that definition. But words like dangerously and worryingly are scaremongering falsehoods when you get to the actual facts. My impression is that Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates - but not fat or protein. So people eat more fat and protein to make up for the lack of carbohydrates. You seriously need to read the book before you blather on in further misrepresentation of what Atkins actually is. Atkins controls carbs and that isn't the same as restricting them. Atkins also controls fat and protein by forbidding over eating. You're a *bright guy*, Tim -- so *why* do you keep selling out to the Dark Side on this matter? What issues do you have with this? Seriously. There *has to be a reason* why you stop making sense whenever this stuff crops up... The Atkins diet appears to be a bad one :-| Unless you're honest. Tim you really need to stop misrepresenting what Atkins actually is. Before you post further on a topic you are ignorant about, you need to read at least one edition of the book. Doctor Atkins (New) Diet Revolution 1972, 1993, 199 or 2002. They are at every public library. People should be encouraged to eat more fruit and vegetables Oh, you mean Atkins then. Right. The plan that has mandatory veggies from day one to the point where the vast majority of At-kids eat far more veggies after starting than they did in their entire lives before starting. Gotcha. Tim, get some honesty man. Read the book and stop the misrepresentations. A lie is when someone tells a falsehood that they know is false. A mistake is when someone tells a falsehood that they beleive to be true. Read the book, Tim, and stop the mistakes. Because now you have been told so from here on out if you continue to misrepresent what Atkins actualyl is, you'll be lying. |
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