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Old June 8th, 2009, 01:47 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

On Jun 5, 6:21 am, Billy wrote:
[snip]
thin, is mostly a matter of genetics.


Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull.


What's misanthrope doing interacting socially?


Sharing the love.


And what state of grace, allows you to cast
invectives in such a gratuitous manner?


Being honest.



Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics
impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition
will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight.


Harder, perhaps. By what perventage/ratio?
Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? Instead of loosing 5
kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4
kilos. But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh?




Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment.


Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the
Twinkie display.



If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories
than the population needs, you have a good chance of
being obese,


Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in
implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of
calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons
eye.



time for us to accept that we are good as we are.


Mediocrity is fine by you?

[snip]
What about average do you find disturbing?


Those that settle for it.



I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic
Curmudgeon would be the person that they would
choose to be cornered by at a party.


True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes
them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones




Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact
your joints.


Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for
those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low
stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage.


So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is
wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you.


True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional


Being in water allows the flexing of muscles
without support.


Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for?



Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may
be a good way to begin.


If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise
for you now, shall I?




Before anyone listens to us, they should ask
their doctor what they think.


Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on
the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods
sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused
and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no
pun intended) most of what GP says on this subject can be ignored.




Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking,
biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat.


Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise
needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. Like breathing,
these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions
to be 'acheived'.


Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life.


Precisly. That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves
in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden
donut or 24.



Getting on the floor and reaching for your toes isn't
an everyday experience for most people, or even you.


It is, actually. And a lot more besides.



It's not everyday that I meet Misanthropic Curmudgeon who is
orthographically challenged (5, can you find them?).


Only 5? I did well that day.
  #2  
Old June 8th, 2009, 02:14 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Omelet[_2_]
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

In article
,
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
wrote:

What's misanthrope doing interacting socially?


Sharing the love.


Thanks for the daily laugh. ;-D
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.


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Old June 8th, 2009, 02:37 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Billy
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

In article
,
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
wrote:

On Jun 5, 6:21 am, Billy wrote:
[snip]
thin, is mostly a matter of genetics.


Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull.


What's misanthrope doing interacting socially?


Sharing the love.

I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love,
neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah.

And what state of grace, allows you to cast
invectives in such a gratuitous manner?


Being honest.

Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not
characterizing others or their motives.


Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics
impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition
will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight.


Harder, perhaps. By what perventage/ratio?
Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? Instead of loosing 5
kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4
kilos. But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh?

Oh, I forgot to mention that ad hominem attacks ALWAYS signal a weak, or
non-existent, argument. Argument that is in the formal sense, where you
connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be
absent from your bag of tricks.



Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment.


Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the
Twinkie display.



If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories
than the population needs, you have a good chance of
being obese,


Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in
implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of
calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons
eye.

Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A
deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha. Right, and
thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling
them selves these days, and Post Cereals spent $11.26 billion in 2004 on
advertising. It works because most people are too busy keeping their
bills paid, the dishes and the clothes washed, the house picked up,
preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through,
much less keep up with the development of a police state around them.

See: Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3LSyck0YTE

or if you're still literate try reading

Food Politics: How the Food Industry Influences Nutrition, and Health,
Revised and Expanded Edition (California Studies in Food and Culture)
by Marion Nestle
http://www.amazon.com/Food-Politics-...lifornia/dp/05
20254031/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244222934&sr=1-2

time for us to accept that we are good as we are.


Mediocrity is fine by you?

[snip]
What about average do you find disturbing?


Those that settle for it.

Everybody should be above average, Gracie?
Human beings aren't widgets, to be compared one to another.
We have a diversity of skills and capabilities, which keeps our
Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that
you don't see the problem.



I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic
Curmudgeon would be the person that they would
choose to be cornered by at a party.


True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes
them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones

True, I can feel the nausea myself. I think I've already wasted too much
time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness. It must be
lonely for you with those brown colored glasses on.




Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact
your joints.


Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for
those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low
stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage.


So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is
wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you.


True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional


Being in water allows the flexing of muscles
without support.


Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for?



Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may
be a good way to begin.


If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise
for you now, shall I?




Before anyone listens to us, they should ask
their doctor what they think.


Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on
the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods
sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused
and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no
pun intended) most of what GP says on this subject can be ignored.




Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking,
biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat.


Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise
needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. Like breathing,
these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions
to be 'acheived'.


Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life.


Precisly. That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves
in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden
donut or 24.



Getting on the floor and reaching for your toes isn't
an everyday experience for most people, or even you.


It is, actually. And a lot more besides.



It's not everyday that I meet Misanthropic Curmudgeon who is
orthographically challenged (5, can you find them?).


Only 5? I did well that day.

--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4


http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2...ra_hass_on_the

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Old June 8th, 2009, 10:47 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

On Jun 8, 1:37*pm, Billy wrote:
[snip]
thin, is mostly a matter of genetics.


Complete mythology - propagated by the lazy and the dull.


What's misanthrope doing interacting socially?


Sharing the love.


I'd be surprised if you even had a nodding relationship with love,
neurotic need to feel important, but love? Nah.


Ask yo' momma.



And what state of grace, allows you to cast
invectives in such a gratuitous manner?


Being honest.


Honesty would be constraining yourself to the facts, and not
characterizing others or their motives.


What is more factual that observations of dull-eyed slump-gutted face-
stuffers, well, stuffing their faces and wailing about how their
genetics stop them from being supermodels?



Apparently, up to 1994, there was little consideration of genetics
impacting obesity. That is no longer the case. Genetic predisposition
will make it harder for some people to gain or lose weight.


Harder, perhaps. *By what perventage/ratio?
Not impossible or even difficult, though eh? *Instead of loosing 5
kilos such a 'geneticially challenged' person might only loose 4
kilos. *But that is all the excuse the butter-balls need, eh?


Oh, I forgot to mention that ad hominem attacks ALWAYS signal a weak, or
non-existent, argument. Argument that is in the formal sense, where you
connect a number of assertions to support a position. It appears to be
absent from your bag of tricks.


I'll remember that when I re-read the bit you wrote about me not
knowing love in your opening paragraph in this post.




Body mass is a result of nature and nurture, genetics and environment..


Part of that 'environment' is being able to pull oneself away from the
Twinkie display.


*oink* *oink*



If you live in a country that produces 50% more calories
than the population needs, you have a good chance of
being obese,


Your value sytem, and the poor esteem you hold fellow man in in
implying that mankind cant control themselve when a surfeit of
calories abounds, brings a tear to an old misanthropic curmudgeons
eye.


Lack of modesty will never be counted as one of your faults. A
deterministic man in charge of his own destiny. Bwahahaha.


I see you judge others by your own (lack of) values.


Right, and
thats why those fools at Krafts, and whatever Phillip Morris is calling
them selves these days, and Post Cereals spent $11.26 billion in 2004 on
advertising. It works because most people are too busy keeping their
bills paid, the dishes and the clothes washed, the house picked up,
preparing dinner, to keep up with the latest nutrient break through,
much less keep up with the development of a police state around them.


Too busy to watch what they stuff down their throats?

Your stats and arguments only support one thing, and its not what you
want it to be.
Firstly, your mistalen belif that BMR calculations and knowledge of
macro-nutrient profiles are somehow new breakthroughs. Secondly, that
most people share your slack motivation levels. And thirdly you imply
we are all passive drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing
strategies.




Mediocrity is fine by you?

[snip]
What about average do you find disturbing?


Those that settle for it.


Everybody should be above average, Gracie?
Human beings aren't widgets, to be compared one to another.
We have a diversity of skills and capabilities, which keeps our
Darwinistic options open for us as a species. The problem may be that
you don't see the problem.


And you condone the lack of the above, as you imply we are all passive
drones subject to the whims of corporate marketing strategies.



I'm sure that not everyone would find that a Misanthropic
Curmudgeon would be the person that they would
choose to be cornered by at a party.


True: some people dont like honesty and forthrightness, as it pushes
them from thier nice safe little self-deluding comfort zones


True, I can feel the nausea myself.


Indeed, many people dont like it when mirrors are help up in front of
them.



I think I've already wasted too much
time here reading your delusional honesty and forthrightness.


Fine: sod off out of MFW and back to the fat-acceptors with such a low
value of humanity as you do; assumig they are all passive drones




Swimming is great exercise and it doesn't impact
your joints.


Swimming is idle recreation (but midly cardiovasuclarly taxing for
those with poor oxygen uptake abilities) and it is a myth that is 'low
stress on joints' - ask anybody with connective tissue damage.


So, you've gone from being a curmudgeon to being a head case. What is
wrong with idle recreation? It relieves stress that can kill you.


True: but to suggets that it is phtical activity is self-delusional


Being in water allows the flexing of muscles
without support.


Ahhh, what do you think muscles are for?


Dog paddling, or just floating on your back may
be a good way to begin.


If that is your frame of reference, I'll order up the 600kg bed hoise
for you now, shall I?


Before anyone listens to us, they should ask
their doctor what they think.


Given that most GP's are fat-accepters, fat-condoners, and/or stuck on
the 'eat- a truck load of pasta and you'll loose weight, but for gods
sake dont eat more than three eggs a week', and are illness focused
and not health focused (there is a onstrous difference, I say with no
pun intended) most of what *GP says on this subject can be ignored.


I note you ignore the above.



Otherwise, try to exercise 2 1/2 hr a week. Walking,
biking, gardening, or just doing stretches on a mat.


Anybody who considers walking or stretching as specific excercise
needs to re-evaluate their definition of normal. *Like breathing,
these thinsg should be normal parts of everyones day, not exceptions
to be 'acheived'.


Walking continuously for 30 - 60 min. is not part of everyone's life.


Precisly. *That is why they are geletonous blobs who pour themselves
in and out of tehir car just to go to the local shop for a sugar-laden
donut or 24.


And that.




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Old June 8th, 2009, 09:58 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
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How about we get back to subject at hand?

Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken,
jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. At the
end of the day, people need to learn to take the blame and stop with
the exscuses. No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is
forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and
repeat it again the next day and day after and so on.
Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a
heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least
somewhat soaking in sweat I'd agree....walking or stretching, useless
and pointless (IF only 2 1/2hrs a week). If you prefer stretching and
walking aka lazy peoples exercise. Than at least stretch in the
morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day.
Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go.

People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to
lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through
diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever
goals they set for themselves.
  #6  
Old June 9th, 2009, 02:16 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Billy
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

In article
,
wrote:
Who the hell are you to denigrate anybody's efforts at anything? The
journey starts with the first step. Don't matter how damn big that step
is, as long as it's followed by another step. Using pejoratives like
"lazy" is just plain mean. We have to be our own advocates because no
one else cares. Don't take your own self loathing out on the rest of the
world, unless you just lookin' for a flame war. You sure the hell ain't
gonna judge me. Back off.

How about we get back to subject at hand?

Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken,
jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON. At the
end of the day, people need to learn to take the blame and stop with
the exscuses. No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is
forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and
repeat it again the next day and day after and so on.
Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a
heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least
somewhat soaking in sweat I'd agree....walking or stretching, useless
and pointless (IF only 2 1/2hrs a week). If you prefer stretching and
walking aka lazy peoples exercise. Than at least stretch in the
morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day.
Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go.

People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to
lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through
diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever
goals they set for themselves.

--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zunx_goz4


http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/2...ra_hass_on_the

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Old June 9th, 2009, 04:28 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

On Jun 9, 8:58 am, wrote:
[snip]
Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed
fried chicken, jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas
all favorite BACON. At the end of the day, people
need to learn to take the blame and stop with
the exscuses.


What is interesting is the likes of Billy, who appear to argue that it
is not peoples fault that they are obese, but rather in Billy's
postinsg has randomly blamed genetics, corporate marketing propgrams,
or the nned to pay the mortgage for obesity. Rather than "you eat too
much and dont do any excercise"



No one is forcing a donut down their throat, no one is
forcing them to go home and sit in front of TV, than hit the bed and
repeat it again the next day and day after and so on.


Indeed. But laziness in people, perhaps combined with a lack of self-
awareness and an amazing abilty to deny their growing waist, does lead
them to this path.
They'll whine about "its normal to put on a few pounds for winter" or
"its normal to gain a pound a year" and ignore the concequences of
these delusions.



Also, 2 1/2hrs of exercise a week? This one is tricky, if you mean a
heavy work out after which your heart rate is up and you are at least
somewhat soaking in sweat I'd agree....walking or stretching, useless
and pointless (IF only 2 1/2hrs a week). If you prefer stretching and
walking aka lazy peoples exercise. Than at least stretch in the
morning *Every Morning* and walk for 30 - 60 minutes every day.
Also, eating a whole pie of Pizza w/ "DIET" Coke is NOT the way to go.


In reading these commenst of yours, I am reminded of the distorted
views that some people have of excercise. The human body was
'designed'[1] to move, and people suggesting that a few hours of
walking a week demonstrated just how inactive their bodies (and
minds?) have become. Stretching and walking are not some sort of goal
to work towards, they are normality!



People need to take responsibility and take action, yeah it is hard to
lose weight for some people and others it's hard to gain but through
diligence and lifestyle change, they can and will achieve whatever
goals they set for themselves.


Indeed, the fat-accepters seem to belive that because some things are
hard, they should not even try. Because some people (say 0.2% of the
population) have medical conditions (eg kidney issues), all the
fatties wail that therefore they cant loose any weight (and console
themselves by up-sizing their Triple-Cheese-Burger when next at the
drive-through.)



[1] I use that word advisidly. As an atheist, it is apparent there
was no designer.





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Old June 9th, 2009, 04:30 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
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On Jun 9, 1:16 pm, Billy wrote:
[snip]
Using pejoratives like "lazy" is just plain mean.


It is also plain truth.


We have to be our own advocates because no
one else cares.


So why do you condone apathy and helplessness, in your blaming all and
sundry except the trough-diver themselves?





  #9  
Old June 10th, 2009, 01:33 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
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Default Expert: It's your fault if you're a fatty

On Jun 9, 9:10 pm, " wrote:
[snip]
As long as the scoop-shovel is full and the food is still going down, I
guess you could say there is some exercise occurring. Lazy still fits
though.


Which reminds me of the research done that shows chewing burns an
additional 11 (IIRC) calories an hour.


  #10  
Old June 29th, 2009, 04:44 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.fitness.weights,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
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Genetics do play a role, but so does that processed fried chicken,
jelly donut...and lets not forget Americas all favorite BACON.


Actually bacon is good for you. Certainly compared to most manufactured
food stuffs. It has a very low glycemic index and has complete protein
for body building and fat for energy, along with a whole raft of vital
nutrients like CoQ10.
 




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