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Only calories matter?
On 11 Aug 2004 18:52:25 GMT, Ignoramus5937
wrote: What an amazing find, as I am reading more about low carbing. Obese children who were fed a low carb diet lost weight and improved blood lipids. These children also ate 66% more calories than controls, who ate "heart healthy" starches and whole grains. What a surprise. Medline ID 15148063 Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. RESULTS Despite consuming on average 66% more calories per day, after 12 weeks the children consuming the low-carbohydrate diet lost more weight than those following the low-fat, high-carb plan: Low-carb Low-fat Calorie intake 1830 1100 Weight loss 19 lbs 8.5 lbs HDL Increased Decreased Triglycerides -52% -10% As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on kidneys and liver, kidney and liver functions were regularly monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet. COMMENT: Six to twelve months later, most of the low-carb dieters had maintained their new lower weight. This study provides additional evidence for the efficacy of a low-carb weight loss programme specifically for the most vulnerable group ? teenagers. I think this is a great result (and in line with every other result regarding low carb), but unless they counted calories for the kids before putting them on the diet then counted calories for the kids after they put them on the diet, the calorie difference isn't really scientific. -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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On 11 Aug 2004 19:20:26 GMT, Ignoramus5937
wrote: In article , Bob in CT wrote: On 11 Aug 2004 18:52:25 GMT, Ignoramus5937 wrote: What an amazing find, as I am reading more about low carbing. Obese children who were fed a low carb diet lost weight and improved blood lipids. These children also ate 66% more calories than controls, who ate "heart healthy" starches and whole grains. What a surprise. Medline ID 15148063 Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. RESULTS Despite consuming on average 66% more calories per day, after 12 weeks the children consuming the low-carbohydrate diet lost more weight than those following the low-fat, high-carb plan: Low-carb Low-fat Calorie intake 1830 1100 Weight loss 19 lbs 8.5 lbs HDL Increased Decreased Triglycerides -52% -10% As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on kidneys and liver, kidney and liver functions were regularly monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet. COMMENT: Six to twelve months later, most of the low-carb dieters had maintained their new lower weight. This study provides additional evidence for the efficacy of a low-carb weight loss programme specifically for the most vulnerable group ? teenagers. I think this is a great result (and in line with every other result regarding low carb), but unless they counted calories for the kids before putting them on the diet then counted calories for the kids after they put them on the diet, the calorie difference isn't really scientific. Well, these were two groups of children dieters, assigned randomly. The low carb kids ate a lot more calories than the conventionally dieting kids. That low carb children could eat more, surprised me. i Actually, almost every study that looks at calories and low carb comes up with the same results. However, some people are adamant (sp?) that if you took these people and put them in chambers to measure every calorie, there's no difference in low carb and high carb. There was one study that used twins and did this and determined no difference between low and high carb. However, most studies support the "low carb = more weight loss" hypothesis. Have you seen these: Increased Dietary Protein Modifies Glucose and Insulin Homeostasis in Adult Women during Weight Loss (Journal Abstract) Added on: 4/29/2003 Hits: 263 From the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the Journal of Nutrition, 2003: In this study, researchers placed two groups of women on two diets, each of which was equal in calories and fat. One group was on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet and the second was on the USDA's low protein, high carbohydrate diet. The researchers noted that both groups lost 16 pounds on average, but the low carbohydrate, high protein group lost more body fat and less lean body mass than did the USDA food pyramid group. The researchers also noted that women in the high protein group had more stable glucose levels,lower insulin levels, and lower cholesterol levels. High-Protein Beats High-Carbohydrate for Weight Loss in Low-Fat Diets (Magazine Article) Added on: 12/27/2002 Hits: 1145 From the Arizona State University and the the Doctor's Guide, 2002: This team of researchers compared the thermogenic effects of two different low fat diets. The first low fat diet was high in protein and the second was high in carbohydrate. The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature and resting energy expenditure was 100% greater after eating high protein meals that after eating high carbohydrate meals. They concluded that the thermogenesis that occurs after high-protein meals may partially explain the effectiveness of high-protein diets for weight loss. (From http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=199) -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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On 11 Aug 2004 19:20:26 GMT, Ignoramus5937
wrote: In article , Bob in CT wrote: On 11 Aug 2004 18:52:25 GMT, Ignoramus5937 wrote: What an amazing find, as I am reading more about low carbing. Obese children who were fed a low carb diet lost weight and improved blood lipids. These children also ate 66% more calories than controls, who ate "heart healthy" starches and whole grains. What a surprise. Medline ID 15148063 Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. RESULTS Despite consuming on average 66% more calories per day, after 12 weeks the children consuming the low-carbohydrate diet lost more weight than those following the low-fat, high-carb plan: Low-carb Low-fat Calorie intake 1830 1100 Weight loss 19 lbs 8.5 lbs HDL Increased Decreased Triglycerides -52% -10% As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on kidneys and liver, kidney and liver functions were regularly monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet. COMMENT: Six to twelve months later, most of the low-carb dieters had maintained their new lower weight. This study provides additional evidence for the efficacy of a low-carb weight loss programme specifically for the most vulnerable group ? teenagers. I think this is a great result (and in line with every other result regarding low carb), but unless they counted calories for the kids before putting them on the diet then counted calories for the kids after they put them on the diet, the calorie difference isn't really scientific. Well, these were two groups of children dieters, assigned randomly. The low carb kids ate a lot more calories than the conventionally dieting kids. That low carb children could eat more, surprised me. i Actually, almost every study that looks at calories and low carb comes up with the same results. However, some people are adamant (sp?) that if you took these people and put them in chambers to measure every calorie, there's no difference in low carb and high carb. There was one study that used twins and did this and determined no difference between low and high carb. However, most studies support the "low carb = more weight loss" hypothesis. Have you seen these: Increased Dietary Protein Modifies Glucose and Insulin Homeostasis in Adult Women during Weight Loss (Journal Abstract) Added on: 4/29/2003 Hits: 263 From the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the Journal of Nutrition, 2003: In this study, researchers placed two groups of women on two diets, each of which was equal in calories and fat. One group was on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet and the second was on the USDA's low protein, high carbohydrate diet. The researchers noted that both groups lost 16 pounds on average, but the low carbohydrate, high protein group lost more body fat and less lean body mass than did the USDA food pyramid group. The researchers also noted that women in the high protein group had more stable glucose levels,lower insulin levels, and lower cholesterol levels. High-Protein Beats High-Carbohydrate for Weight Loss in Low-Fat Diets (Magazine Article) Added on: 12/27/2002 Hits: 1145 From the Arizona State University and the the Doctor's Guide, 2002: This team of researchers compared the thermogenic effects of two different low fat diets. The first low fat diet was high in protein and the second was high in carbohydrate. The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature and resting energy expenditure was 100% greater after eating high protein meals that after eating high carbohydrate meals. They concluded that the thermogenesis that occurs after high-protein meals may partially explain the effectiveness of high-protein diets for weight loss. (From http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=199) -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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On 11 Aug 2004 19:42:20 GMT, Ignoramus5937
wrote: In article , Bob in CT wrote: Increased Dietary Protein Modifies Glucose and Insulin Homeostasis in Adult Women during Weight Loss (Journal Abstract) Added on: 4/29/2003 Hits: 263 From the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the Journal of Nutrition, 2003: In this study, researchers placed two groups of women on two diets, each of which was equal in calories and fat. One group was on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet and the second was on the USDA's low protein, high carbohydrate diet. The researchers noted that both groups lost 16 pounds on average, but the low carbohydrate, high protein group lost more body fat and less lean body mass than did the USDA food pyramid group. The researchers also noted that women in the high protein group had more stable glucose levels,lower insulin levels, and lower cholesterol levels. interesting High-Protein Beats High-Carbohydrate for Weight Loss in Low-Fat Diets (Magazine Article) Added on: 12/27/2002 Hits: 1145 From the Arizona State University and the the Doctor's Guide, 2002: This team of researchers compared the thermogenic effects of two different low fat diets. The first low fat diet was high in protein and the second was high in carbohydrate. The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature and resting energy expenditure was 100% greater after they had 100% greater body TEMPERATURE??? like, 194 degrees fahrenheit as opposed to normal 97???? they were very "well done" by that time, huh... Yummy, well done, low carb dieters. Were they served with gravy? must be some mistake somewhere. i These are interpreted by the lady who keeps up the site, but she provides the links so that you can go read the actual study. I think she means that there was an elevated temperature and 100% greater resting energy expenditure. -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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On 11 Aug 2004 19:42:20 GMT, Ignoramus5937
wrote: In article , Bob in CT wrote: Increased Dietary Protein Modifies Glucose and Insulin Homeostasis in Adult Women during Weight Loss (Journal Abstract) Added on: 4/29/2003 Hits: 263 From the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the Journal of Nutrition, 2003: In this study, researchers placed two groups of women on two diets, each of which was equal in calories and fat. One group was on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet and the second was on the USDA's low protein, high carbohydrate diet. The researchers noted that both groups lost 16 pounds on average, but the low carbohydrate, high protein group lost more body fat and less lean body mass than did the USDA food pyramid group. The researchers also noted that women in the high protein group had more stable glucose levels,lower insulin levels, and lower cholesterol levels. interesting High-Protein Beats High-Carbohydrate for Weight Loss in Low-Fat Diets (Magazine Article) Added on: 12/27/2002 Hits: 1145 From the Arizona State University and the the Doctor's Guide, 2002: This team of researchers compared the thermogenic effects of two different low fat diets. The first low fat diet was high in protein and the second was high in carbohydrate. The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature and resting energy expenditure was 100% greater after they had 100% greater body TEMPERATURE??? like, 194 degrees fahrenheit as opposed to normal 97???? they were very "well done" by that time, huh... Yummy, well done, low carb dieters. Were they served with gravy? must be some mistake somewhere. i These are interpreted by the lady who keeps up the site, but she provides the links so that you can go read the actual study. I think she means that there was an elevated temperature and 100% greater resting energy expenditure. -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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Based on my own experience. I did notice right away that on the lo-carb
diet, I wasn't feeling cold like I had been on regular low fat/low cal. diets. Perhaps there is a metabolic advantage with higher protein. Tom 210/180/180 --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ignoramus5937" wrote in message ... In article , Bob in CT wrote: Increased Dietary Protein Modifies Glucose and Insulin Homeostasis in Adult Women during Weight Loss (Journal Abstract) Added on: 4/29/2003 Hits: 263 From the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the Journal of Nutrition, 2003: In this study, researchers placed two groups of women on two diets, each of which was equal in calories and fat. One group was on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet and the second was on the USDA's low protein, high carbohydrate diet. The researchers noted that both groups lost 16 pounds on average, but the low carbohydrate, high protein group lost more body fat and less lean body mass than did the USDA food pyramid group. The researchers also noted that women in the high protein group had more stable glucose levels,lower insulin levels, and lower cholesterol levels. interesting High-Protein Beats High-Carbohydrate for Weight Loss in Low-Fat Diets (Magazine Article) Added on: 12/27/2002 Hits: 1145 From the Arizona State University and the the Doctor's Guide, 2002: This team of researchers compared the thermogenic effects of two different low fat diets. The first low fat diet was high in protein and the second was high in carbohydrate. The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature and resting energy expenditure was 100% greater after they had 100% greater body TEMPERATURE??? like, 194 degrees fahrenheit as opposed to normal 97???? they were very "well done" by that time, huh... Yummy, well done, low carb dieters. Were they served with gravy? must be some mistake somewhere. i eating high protein meals that after eating high carbohydrate meals. They concluded that the thermogenesis that occurs after high-protein meals may partially explain the effectiveness of high-protein diets for weight loss. (From http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=199) |
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How many children were in the study? Did it say anywhere?
I believe almost everyone could do with fewer carbs than the typical US diet offers. I am also of the mindset that anything can be done to extreme. I look forward to more information being developed about the glycemic index. It seems to me that the type of carbs one chooses are more important than the source of carbs. And, I am always amazed at how some foods stack up! Bananas - high glycemic index. Canteloupe - low. Snickers, because of the nuts are interestingly low. Whole grains and brown rice do not fair much better than their pale counterparts. Off to make a low carb dinner with just enough carbs to keep me happy and not enough to cause my blood sugar to swing. j "Ignoramus5937" wrote in message ... What an amazing find, as I am reading more about low carbing. Obese children who were fed a low carb diet lost weight and improved blood lipids. These children also ate 66% more calories than controls, who ate "heart healthy" starches and whole grains. What a surprise. Medline ID 15148063 Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. RESULTS Despite consuming on average 66% more calories per day, after 12 weeks the children consuming the low-carbohydrate diet lost more weight than those following the low-fat, high-carb plan: Low-carb Low-fat Calorie intake 1830 1100 Weight loss 19 lbs 8.5 lbs HDL Increased Decreased Triglycerides -52% -10% As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on kidneys and liver, kidney and liver functions were regularly monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet. COMMENT: Six to twelve months later, most of the low-carb dieters had maintained their new lower weight. This study provides additional evidence for the efficacy of a low-carb weight loss programme specifically for the most vulnerable group ? teenagers. |
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Ignoramus5937 generously shared with us this little ditty:
In article , Bob in CT wrote: Well, these were two groups of children dieters, assigned randomly. The low carb kids ate a lot more calories than the conventionally dieting kids. That low carb children could eat more, surprised me. Why? -- revek The probability of forgetting something is directly proportional to ..... to .... uh .... |
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Ignoramus5937 generously shared with us this little ditty:
In article , Bob in CT wrote: Well, these were two groups of children dieters, assigned randomly. The low carb kids ate a lot more calories than the conventionally dieting kids. That low carb children could eat more, surprised me. Why? -- revek The probability of forgetting something is directly proportional to ..... to .... uh .... |
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Bob in CT wrote:
On 11 Aug 2004 19:20:26 GMT, Ignoramus5937 wrote: In article , Bob in CT wrote: On 11 Aug 2004 18:52:25 GMT, Ignoramus5937 wrote: What an amazing find, as I am reading more about low carbing. Obese children who were fed a low carb diet lost weight and improved blood lipids. These children also ate 66% more calories than controls, who ate "heart healthy" starches and whole grains. What a surprise. Medline ID 15148063 Sondike S, Jacobson, Copperman. The ketogenic diet increases weight loss but not cardiovascular risk: A randomized controlled trial. J Adolescent Health Care 2000; 26: 91. Schneider Children?s Hospital in New Hyde Park, N.Y This study was conducted on overweight children aged 12 to 18. They were between 20 and 100 pounds overweight. The children were split into two groups. One group ate a conventional low-fat, carbohydrate based "slimming" diet composed of whole grains, fruits and vegetables with fat-free dairy products, low-fat meats, poultry and fish. Their total intake was limited to 1,100 calories per day. The other group ate a high-fat, low-carb diet in which they were allowed to eat as many calories as they wanted in the form of untrimmed meat, cheese, eggs, poultry and fish. Their carbohydrates came from two salads a day and minimal other carbs. RESULTS Despite consuming on average 66% more calories per day, after 12 weeks the children consuming the low-carbohydrate diet lost more weight than those following the low-fat, high-carb plan: Low-carb Low-fat Calorie intake 1830 1100 Weight loss 19 lbs 8.5 lbs HDL Increased Decreased Triglycerides -52% -10% As high-protein/fat diets are thought to have adverse effects on kidneys and liver, kidney and liver functions were regularly monitored. They were found to be unaffected by this diet. COMMENT: Six to twelve months later, most of the low-carb dieters had maintained their new lower weight. This study provides additional evidence for the efficacy of a low-carb weight loss programme specifically for the most vulnerable group ? teenagers. I think this is a great result (and in line with every other result regarding low carb), but unless they counted calories for the kids before putting them on the diet then counted calories for the kids after they put them on the diet, the calorie difference isn't really scientific. Well, these were two groups of children dieters, assigned randomly. The low carb kids ate a lot more calories than the conventionally dieting kids. That low carb children could eat more, surprised me. i Actually, almost every study that looks at calories and low carb comes up with the same results. However, some people are adamant (sp?) that if you took these people and put them in chambers to measure every calorie, there's no difference in low carb and high carb. There was one study that used twins and did this and determined no difference between low and high carb. However, most studies support the "low carb = more weight loss" hypothesis. Have you seen these: Increased Dietary Protein Modifies Glucose and Insulin Homeostasis in Adult Women during Weight Loss (Journal Abstract) Added on: 4/29/2003 Hits: 263 From the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and the Journal of Nutrition, 2003: In this study, researchers placed two groups of women on two diets, each of which was equal in calories and fat. One group was on a high protein, low carbohydrate diet and the second was on the USDA's low protein, high carbohydrate diet. The researchers noted that both groups lost 16 pounds on average, but the low carbohydrate, high protein group lost more body fat and less lean body mass than did the USDA food pyramid group. The researchers also noted that women in the high protein group had more stable glucose levels,lower insulin levels, and lower cholesterol levels. High-Protein Beats High-Carbohydrate for Weight Loss in Low-Fat Diets (Magazine Article) Added on: 12/27/2002 Hits: 1145 From the Arizona State University and the the Doctor's Guide, 2002: This team of researchers compared the thermogenic effects of two different low fat diets. The first low fat diet was high in protein and the second was high in carbohydrate. The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature and resting energy expenditure was 100% greater after eating high protein meals that after eating high carbohydrate meals. They concluded that the thermogenesis that occurs after high-protein meals may partially explain the effectiveness of high-protein diets for weight loss. (From http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/r....asp?catid=199) Sounds like it should have been stated as: The researchers found that the study participants' body temperature was greater after eating high protein meals compared to those eating high carb meals. They also found that after eating high protein meals the resting energy expenditure was 100% greater for the low carb group than the high carb group. The temptation to save a few words in an abstract created a potential for confusion. Nice article.... Thanks for drawing attention to it. Jim |
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