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Old September 20th, 2006, 02:14 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss

Jimmy Moore, September 20, 2006
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=5889

The following is a reprint from the blog "Livin' La Vida Low-Carb":

Why can't society just accept fat people for who they are? They're
human beings too and should not be scorned by others just because they
carry around a few extra pounds. When are we going to stop begging
people to lose weight when it is quite possible to be healthy at any
size?

Have you heard statements like these from some well-meaning people? The
"fat acceptance" movement has taken root in this country with groups
like the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance promoting their
viewpoint that fat is beautiful and nobody should be forced into losing
weight if they don't want to.

I'm sure many of my longtime readers remember how this woman got so mad
at me over this blog post because I dared challenge the premise that
being fat is okay. The notion of accepting fat people for who they are
sounds pretty good on the surface, doesn't it? If I'm fat, then it's my
choice to be this way so LEAVE ME ALONE!

Okay, fine. But as someone who used to weigh over 400 pounds, I not
only have a right to speak out, but I would also say that it is my
responsibility to share with others that remaining obese is not an
option when there are viable ways to shed the pounds even when you
think you've tried everything.

Unfortunately, we have people pushing "fat acceptance" like Kim Barto
who believe strongly that weight loss is overrated. She is a senior at
the University of North Carolina-Asheville just up the road from my
hometown of Spartanburg, SC and she recently wrote this op-ed piece for
The Citizen-Times about this very sensitive subject of America's
obession with weight loss which Barto describes as "urealistic" and
even "harmful."

Barto attempted to provide evidence to support her theory about
American culture hung up on dieting by noting that eating disorders
have risen sharply while more and more people express concerns about
their weight. She contends that this is leading to higher rates of
mental disorders that sometimes leads to suicide attempts and even
death.

Morbid thoughts indeed. But what Barto is conveniently forgetting is
the fact that TWO OUT OF EVERY THREE AMERICANS IS OVERWEIGHT OR OBESE
and the rates keep going up and up! So it stands to reason that weight
loss is on our minds as a country because it needs to be. We're FAT!

In Barto's world, though, she doesn't see anything wrong with people
remaining fat if that's what makes them feel good.

"A wide variety of body types are normal, depending on one's bone
structure, metabolism and genetics. It is fruitless and misleading to
expect everyone to conform to the same weight. Whether you are
naturally muscular, chunky, twiggy, curvy or tiny, trying to change
your body can be frustrating and even dangerous."

Now wait just a minute, Ms. Barto. What is so "dangerous" about someone
trying to lose weight? When I weighed an abysmal 410 pounds at the
beginning of 2004, many would say I had put myself in a bad situation,
even a potentially "dangerous" one. My health was on the decline with
breathing, blood pressure and cholesterol problems among other
ailments. I was quite literally a ticking timebomb just waiting to
explode.

But then I started livin' la vida low-carb and changed my life forever.
Sure, I could have just accepted my fat for what it was and begged
people to not judge me for my weight. However, it wasn't about my
image, but rather my health. It was better for me to go on the Atkins
diet than to remain obese. I honestly believe I may not be here today
had I not lost 180 pounds two years ago. Weight loss not only was a
desire, but a necessity for me to survive.

It kills me how people like Barto like to bring up the point about how
98 percent of dieters gain back their weight and then some within five
years. To that I say SO WHAT?! What the heck does that have to do with
the person who needs to lose 50, 100, 200 pounds because their health
is in disarray because of their obesity? If diets fail then don't go on
a diet. Instead, find a permanent lifestyle change you can do for the
rest of your life.

My weight loss is still less than three years old, so I suppose it is
possible I have time to regain my weight, too. Should I just throw my
hands up in the air and just assume the weight will come back on my
body? Is giving up hope for lasting weight loss success the answer?
Heck no, it isn't. Weight loss is a journey of choice that YOU and ONLY
YOU must make for yourself if it is something you need to do. Fat
acceptance is nothing more than a ruse to avoid necessary weight loss.
PERIOD!

The problem is that too many people are in denial about their weight
problem to begin with. In other words, people HAVE too easily accepted
their size and it is now taking a toll on their health. Rising obesity
rates is creating financial problems for Medicare because of the extra
healthcare costs that are involved with obesity-related diseases. The
unintended consequences of fat acceptance is declining health among all
age groups.

Lamenting the weight loss profits totaling nearly $50 billion a year,
Barto said this is all just so ridiculous and people should stop trying
to lose weight while lining the pockets of those who don't care about
their health.

"What a paradox, that dieting should be such a lucrative industry in a
country with such high obesity rates. Someone is obviously profiting
from fat phobia in a big way. Take a nation of insecure people, bombard
them with images of impossible beauty standards, and they will greet
the latest fad with open wallets. Couldn't those billions of dollars
be better spent? Instead of trying to buy happiness, think of all the
good that money could do if diverted to cancer research or stamping out
hunger."

Oh please, Ms. Barto. There's no conspiracy to trick people into
thinking they are fat to get them to buy weight loss products. Have you
looked around lately? There are a LOT of people who are FAT! It
literally breaks my heart to be in a public place like a restaurant and
see someone whose belly sticks out in front of them at least two feet.
My first thought is, "God, I can't believe that's how big I used to
be." Then I remember the hard work I put into losing my weight and wish
so desperately to help these people get healthier, too.

While everyone is trying to get their piece of the proverbial pie in
the diet industry, it is up to the consumer to be smart about what
choices they make regarding their own health. They can't rely on a
company like Nestle to provide them quality products for a healthy
diet. Misleading marketing ads exist out there and people need to
educate themselves about what is best for them. This blog post was the
perfect illustration of the business model for being in diet market.

Barto contends that people can be in "good health at any size."

"Too many dieters harm their bodies and psyches by skipping meals,
purging and popping pills in the quest for skinniness. We should eat
for nutrition and well-being, not solely to lose weight. Amidst all the
deprivation and guilt associated with eating, we often forget that
fresh, simple food is a joy in itself."

Does carrying around a big pot belly cause harm to our bodies, Ms.
Barto? It most definitely does, which is why people need to lose
weight. I don't advocate starving yourself, throwing up or taking the
latest magic weight loss pill to get there. But a healthy low-carb
lifestyle has been proven to be the most nutrient-dense and balanced
nutritional approach I have ever come across in my life. There's no
deprivation, but rather indulgence to the max on this amazing way of
eating.

Concluding her article, Barto said it is time for a "change in
mindset."

"Let's embrace diversity of size and question the source of our
insecurities. Find the weight that's healthy for you, individually,
without comparing yourself to the skeletal models on TV. Life is too
short to hate your body."

I agree with the point that the warped image of what "normal" is from
Hollywood is wrong. But there are ways to deal with your weight problem
and get healthy that fall outside the realm of these unrealistic
images.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=5889

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Old September 20th, 2006, 04:32 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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On 2006-09-20 09:14:03 -0400, "Sweet Zombie Jesus!"
said:

Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss


[snip, not because I disagree, but because it's long]

This article is, in my opinion, an accurate statement of the way things
should be. (Pace, Rush Limbaugh.) Obesity IS a problem, and those who
claim the "right" to be obese and think they're OK anyway need to get
their heads on straight.

One of the things that go with this cockamamie attitude is the demand
that they be allowed to sit next to people of reasonable weight in
narrow airplane seats without hearing complaints. What selfishness!

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Old September 21st, 2006, 02:43 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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sechumlib wrote:
On 2006-09-20 09:14:03 -0400, "Sweet Zombie Jesus!"
said:

Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss



One of the things that go with this cockamamie attitude is the demand
that they be allowed to sit next to people of reasonable weight in
narrow airplane seats without hearing complaints. What selfishness!


Why do the trolls always try to resurrect the fat people and airline
seats crap? Hasn't this subject been beaten to death yet?

Ragnar

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Old September 21st, 2006, 02:59 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On 21 Sep 2006 06:43:16 -0700, "Ragnar"
wrote:


sechumlib wrote:
On 2006-09-20 09:14:03 -0400, "Sweet Zombie Jesus!"
said:

Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss



One of the things that go with this cockamamie attitude is the demand
that they be allowed to sit next to people of reasonable weight in
narrow airplane seats without hearing complaints. What selfishness!


Why do the trolls always try to resurrect the fat people and airline
seats crap? Hasn't this subject been beaten to death yet?

Ragnar


Well, I never participated in those discussions. Nor would I
be participating in this one if the dickhead who started it
hadn't cross-posted. Hopefully, neither of us will see this
response.

But, for the benefit of the fat-acceptance mob, it changes
your point of view on the matter when you are wedged in for
five hours next to a guy who can't put the armrest down nor
can he move his massive leg from off your seat and taking up
half your space for your own legs; in a plane that sat on
the Ohare tarmac for nearly an hour in 104F heat before
takeoff with the airconditioning off to save fuel.

I am now firmly in the "you must buy two seats if you can't
fit in one" camp.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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Old September 21st, 2006, 05:49 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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On 2006-09-21 09:43:16 -0400, "Ragnar" said:


sechumlib wrote:
On 2006-09-20 09:14:03 -0400, "Sweet Zombie Jesus!"
said:

Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss



One of the things that go with this cockamamie attitude is the demand
that they be allowed to sit next to people of reasonable weight in
narrow airplane seats without hearing complaints. What selfishness!


Why do the trolls always try to resurrect the fat people and airline
seats crap? Hasn't this subject been beaten to death yet?


Has it been SOLVED yet?

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Old September 21st, 2006, 06:34 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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sechumlib wrote:
On 2006-09-21 09:43:16 -0400, "Ragnar" said:


sechumlib wrote:
On 2006-09-20 09:14:03 -0400, "Sweet Zombie Jesus!"
said:

Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss


One of the things that go with this cockamamie attitude is the demand
that they be allowed to sit next to people of reasonable weight in
narrow airplane seats without hearing complaints. What selfishness!


Why do the trolls always try to resurrect the fat people and airline
seats crap? Hasn't this subject been beaten to death yet?


Has it been SOLVED yet?


No it hasn't, and it is going to be anytime soon. Most airline seat
sizes are based on a Harvard train passenger study performed in 1950,
which claimed the average passenger only needs 18" max. of seating
space. For your information most adult males have shoulders that extend
well beyond the 18" mark. Unless of course you are some pencil necked
geek.

BTW if it is so abhorrent for you to touch another individual while
sitting in coach, then try first class. Just reach in and let the moths
out of your wallet and pay the higher price. If you can't afford it
then take the bus with the rest of the plebes.

Ragnar

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Old September 21st, 2006, 07:44 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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On 2006-09-21 13:34:59 -0400, "Ragnar" said:

sechumlib wrote:


Has it been SOLVED yet?


No it hasn't, and it is going to be anytime soon. Most airline seat
sizes are based on a Harvard train passenger study performed in 1950,
which claimed the average passenger only needs 18" max. of seating
space. For your information most adult males have shoulders that extend
well beyond the 18" mark. Unless of course you are some pencil necked
geek.

BTW if it is so abhorrent for you to touch another individual while
sitting in coach, then try first class. Just reach in and let the moths
out of your wallet and pay the higher price. If you can't afford it
then take the bus with the rest of the plebes.


From your defensive, belligerent attitude I gather that you're one of
the overweight slobs who think they should be cosseted instead of being
encouraged, in ways both pleasant and unpleasant, to lose some weight
and live in the same space as those of us of normal weight.

It's definitely people like you who force airlines like Southwest to
require overweight people to buy two seats rather than making the rest
of us hold our breaths for the whole flight.

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Old September 21st, 2006, 10:29 PM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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sechumlib wrote:
On 2006-09-21 13:34:59 -0400, "Ragnar" said:

sechumlib wrote:


Has it been SOLVED yet?


No it hasn't, and it is going to be anytime soon. Most airline seat
sizes are based on a Harvard train passenger study performed in 1950,
which claimed the average passenger only needs 18" max. of seating
space. For your information most adult males have shoulders that extend
well beyond the 18" mark. Unless of course you are some pencil necked
geek.

BTW if it is so abhorrent for you to touch another individual while
sitting in coach, then try first class. Just reach in and let the moths
out of your wallet and pay the higher price. If you can't afford it
then take the bus with the rest of the plebes.


From your defensive, belligerent attitude I gather that you're one of
the overweight slobs who think they should be cosseted instead of being
encouraged, in ways both pleasant and unpleasant, to lose some weight
and live in the same space as those of us of normal weight.


There is nothing belligerent or defensive about my attitude, I'm just
calling it for what it is. You asked a question and you got your
answer. If you can fit comfortably in an 18" space for hours at a
time without EVER encroaching on your neighbor, then you can open your
mouth. But even if you are a normal sized individual I seriously doubt
you can.

It's definitely people like you who force airlines like Southwest to
require overweight people to buy two seats rather than making the rest
of us hold our breaths for the whole flight.


How did you arrive at that bit of logic? I'm not the one complaining,
you are. I believe it was whiny little pukes like you whom Southwest
got tired of dealing with that caused them to enforce the two-seat
rule.

BTW as far as the "overweight slob" comment goes, you're wrong
again.

Ragnar

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Old September 22nd, 2006, 12:06 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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Old September 24th, 2006, 10:57 AM posted to soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.support.diet.low-carb,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes
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Sweet Zombie Jesus! wrote:
Fat Acceptance Is A Ruse To Avoid Weight Loss

Jimmy Moore, September 20, 2006
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=5889

The following is a reprint from the blog "Livin' La Vida Low-Carb":

Why can't society just accept fat people for who they are? They're
human beings too and should not be scorned by others just because they
carry around a few extra pounds. When are we going to stop begging
people to lose weight when it is quite possible to be healthy at any
size?

Have you heard statements like these from some well-meaning people? The
"fat acceptance" movement has taken root in this country with groups
like the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance promoting their
viewpoint that fat is beautiful and nobody should be forced into losing
weight if they don't want to.

I'm sure many of my longtime readers remember how this woman got so mad
at me over this blog post because I dared challenge the premise that
being fat is okay. The notion of accepting fat people for who they are
sounds pretty good on the surface, doesn't it? If I'm fat, then it's my
choice to be this way so LEAVE ME ALONE!

Okay, fine. But as someone who used to weigh over 400 pounds, I not
only have a right to speak out, but I would also say that it is my
responsibility to share with others that remaining obese is not an
option when there are viable ways to shed the pounds even when you
think you've tried everything.

Unfortunately, we have people pushing "fat acceptance" like Kim Barto
who believe strongly that weight loss is overrated. She is a senior at
the University of North Carolina-Asheville just up the road from my
hometown of Spartanburg, SC and she recently wrote this op-ed piece for
The Citizen-Times about this very sensitive subject of America's
obession with weight loss which Barto describes as "urealistic" and
even "harmful."

Barto attempted to provide evidence to support her theory about
American culture hung up on dieting by noting that eating disorders
have risen sharply while more and more people express concerns about
their weight. She contends that this is leading to higher rates of
mental disorders that sometimes leads to suicide attempts and even
death.

Morbid thoughts indeed. But what Barto is conveniently forgetting is
the fact that TWO OUT OF EVERY THREE AMERICANS IS OVERWEIGHT OR OBESE
and the rates keep going up and up! So it stands to reason that weight
loss is on our minds as a country because it needs to be. We're FAT!

In Barto's world, though, she doesn't see anything wrong with people
remaining fat if that's what makes them feel good.

"A wide variety of body types are normal, depending on one's bone
structure, metabolism and genetics. It is fruitless and misleading to
expect everyone to conform to the same weight. Whether you are
naturally muscular, chunky, twiggy, curvy or tiny, trying to change
your body can be frustrating and even dangerous."

Now wait just a minute, Ms. Barto. What is so "dangerous" about someone
trying to lose weight? When I weighed an abysmal 410 pounds at the
beginning of 2004, many would say I had put myself in a bad situation,
even a potentially "dangerous" one. My health was on the decline with
breathing, blood pressure and cholesterol problems among other
ailments. I was quite literally a ticking timebomb just waiting to
explode.

But then I started livin' la vida low-carb and changed my life forever.
Sure, I could have just accepted my fat for what it was and begged
people to not judge me for my weight. However, it wasn't about my
image, but rather my health. It was better for me to go on the Atkins
diet than to remain obese. I honestly believe I may not be here today
had I not lost 180 pounds two years ago. Weight loss not only was a
desire, but a necessity for me to survive.

It kills me how people like Barto like to bring up the point about how
98 percent of dieters gain back their weight and then some within five
years. To that I say SO WHAT?! What the heck does that have to do with
the person who needs to lose 50, 100, 200 pounds because their health
is in disarray because of their obesity? If diets fail then don't go on
a diet. Instead, find a permanent lifestyle change you can do for the
rest of your life.

My weight loss is still less than three years old, so I suppose it is
possible I have time to regain my weight, too. Should I just throw my
hands up in the air and just assume the weight will come back on my
body? Is giving up hope for lasting weight loss success the answer?
Heck no, it isn't. Weight loss is a journey of choice that YOU and ONLY
YOU must make for yourself if it is something you need to do. Fat
acceptance is nothing more than a ruse to avoid necessary weight loss.
PERIOD!

The problem is that too many people are in denial about their weight
problem to begin with. In other words, people HAVE too easily accepted
their size and it is now taking a toll on their health. Rising obesity
rates is creating financial problems for Medicare because of the extra
healthcare costs that are involved with obesity-related diseases. The
unintended consequences of fat acceptance is declining health among all
age groups.

Lamenting the weight loss profits totaling nearly $50 billion a year,
Barto said this is all just so ridiculous and people should stop trying
to lose weight while lining the pockets of those who don't care about
their health.

"What a paradox, that dieting should be such a lucrative industry in a
country with such high obesity rates. Someone is obviously profiting
from fat phobia in a big way. Take a nation of insecure people, bombard
them with images of impossible beauty standards, and they will greet
the latest fad with open wallets. Couldn't those billions of dollars
be better spent? Instead of trying to buy happiness, think of all the
good that money could do if diverted to cancer research or stamping out
hunger."

Oh please, Ms. Barto. There's no conspiracy to trick people into
thinking they are fat to get them to buy weight loss products. Have you
looked around lately? There are a LOT of people who are FAT! It
literally breaks my heart to be in a public place like a restaurant and
see someone whose belly sticks out in front of them at least two feet.
My first thought is, "God, I can't believe that's how big I used to
be." Then I remember the hard work I put into losing my weight and wish
so desperately to help these people get healthier, too.

While everyone is trying to get their piece of the proverbial pie in
the diet industry, it is up to the consumer to be smart about what
choices they make regarding their own health. They can't rely on a
company like Nestle to provide them quality products for a healthy
diet. Misleading marketing ads exist out there and people need to
educate themselves about what is best for them. This blog post was the
perfect illustration of the business model for being in diet market.

Barto contends that people can be in "good health at any size."

"Too many dieters harm their bodies and psyches by skipping meals,
purging and popping pills in the quest for skinniness. We should eat
for nutrition and well-being, not solely to lose weight. Amidst all the
deprivation and guilt associated with eating, we often forget that
fresh, simple food is a joy in itself."

Does carrying around a big pot belly cause harm to our bodies, Ms.
Barto? It most definitely does, which is why people need to lose
weight. I don't advocate starving yourself, throwing up or taking the
latest magic weight loss pill to get there. But a healthy low-carb
lifestyle has been proven to be the most nutrient-dense and balanced
nutritional approach I have ever come across in my life. There's no
deprivation, but rather indulgence to the max on this amazing way of
eating.

Concluding her article, Barto said it is time for a "change in
mindset."

"Let's embrace diversity of size and question the source of our
insecurities. Find the weight that's healthy for you, individually,
without comparing yourself to the skeletal models on TV. Life is too
short to hate your body."

I agree with the point that the warped image of what "normal" is from
Hollywood is wrong. But there are ways to deal with your weight problem
and get healthy that fall outside the realm of these unrealistic
images.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=5889


please try and get it Zombie. no one ever said that being fat is a good
thing, but, do we deserve to be treated with any thing less than
respect. do we deserve to be mooed at or the looks of digust, ugly
comments etc. ad nauseum? airplane seats in coach are to narrow, even
for the normal person, so i try to fly first class whenever possible,
where the seats are roomy enough to accomadate me. I still feel that
rude people need to curb their impulses. do you call a mentally
challenged person a retard? do you point and stare at people in wheel
chairs? is the N word in you vocabulary, no? then why deride the fat
person? your criticism serves nothing but to send us to the fridge to
assuage out depression over this situation. if you can not be kind in
your assessments then do not post here. courtesy is very important.
in the past i have been quite aggressive towards the meaness of some of
the trolls who post here, and with good reason. i will not be a
doormat for ugly comment, simply because i am not of normal weight.
Comments and criticism are best made when kindness and courtesy are
employed.... if you can't do that, then no obese person in their right
mind will ever pay your comments serious attention.......jenius

 




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