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could really use some help
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 at 09:09:52, jmk wrote:
On 8/3/2004 9:21 PM, Ignoramus7404 wrote: There are two issues, one is the nutrients, as you noted. Even if they add vitamins to those bars, they are not as bioavailable as the ones from real food. Another is that these bars are full of sugar, which does not have much nutritional value. Fruit is full of sugar. A ZonePerfect bar actually has less "sugar" in it than an apple. Surely it is a different sort of sugar? I understand that the sugar in fruit, being unprocessed, doesn't provide merely "empty" calories the way sucrose does. -- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 18 July 2004 |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 at 09:09:52, jmk wrote:
On 8/3/2004 9:21 PM, Ignoramus7404 wrote: There are two issues, one is the nutrients, as you noted. Even if they add vitamins to those bars, they are not as bioavailable as the ones from real food. Another is that these bars are full of sugar, which does not have much nutritional value. Fruit is full of sugar. A ZonePerfect bar actually has less "sugar" in it than an apple. Surely it is a different sort of sugar? I understand that the sugar in fruit, being unprocessed, doesn't provide merely "empty" calories the way sucrose does. -- Annabel Smyth http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 18 July 2004 |
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could really use some help
JMA wrote:
"Nikko" wrote in message ink.net... "Ignoramus7404" wrote in message Thanks for your response. A couple of follow-up questions... How important is this? I use Zone Bars because I don't want to have to think about what percentages/ratios my rations should be. I like knowing exactly what I'm putting in my body. Will eating these impede my progress? Or do they just not have as many nutrients as real food? I and most others view diet as a long-term change. Starting today and ending when no longer medically possible to maintain as opposed to now until the weight is gone. In my view, part of that long-term change is learning to adapt to the foods common to everyone. For example, learning to find all the nutrients and limiting the calories of those foods to equal the zone bar from table foods. Sooner or later you’ll end up having to eat a meal other than a zone bar. Before this happens, you want to know enough about table foods so that it won’t cause your diet to fail. I strive to make my diet work while eating nearly the same meals as others when in their presence. For me, it eliminates peer pressure and conflict. This in mind, going to a family BBQ, I would drink beer and eat small portions of a hamburger w/bun, potato and/or pasta salad, corn on the cob and cookies or brownies for dessert. Again the portions of these selections would be smaller than those around me, but it wouldn’t be obvious that I’m eating differently. In addition the previous and following meals would be calorie restricted to make up for this over-indulgence. If I generalize from my own experience, the low carb (LC) and (LF) dieters would eat mostly the dish they prepared to share. It’s most likely a LC or LF favorite. Beside that dish the LC dieters would eat the burger but the bun, beer, pasta salad, potato salad, corn and desserts would perhaps be avoided. Low fat (LF) dieters might avoid the beer, burger, pasta and potato salad (mayo) and dessert. Along the same lines, the Zone bar on your plate would look “different”. This is from my own observations at BBQs and doesn’t represent the eating habits of all LC or LF dieters. This “difference” and the conflicts it creates I feel would eventually cause me to give up my eating habits and join the overweight population. That’s my personal preference/weakness. Others may believe the conflict makes them stronger and more likely to succeed or that those questioning their food choices should look in a mirror and think about joining instead of ridiculing. My choice is to avoid the conflict by limiting portions at the BBQ and perhaps reducing calories at the previous and following meals in private. I do cardio three or four times a week. I assume you mean I should also be lifting weight I believe your original post said you were looking for upper body muscle. This is rather difficult with only cardio unless you’re using an elliptical cross-training machine and increasing the resistance. |
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JMA wrote:
"Nikko" wrote in message ink.net... "Ignoramus7404" wrote in message Thanks for your response. A couple of follow-up questions... How important is this? I use Zone Bars because I don't want to have to think about what percentages/ratios my rations should be. I like knowing exactly what I'm putting in my body. Will eating these impede my progress? Or do they just not have as many nutrients as real food? I and most others view diet as a long-term change. Starting today and ending when no longer medically possible to maintain as opposed to now until the weight is gone. In my view, part of that long-term change is learning to adapt to the foods common to everyone. For example, learning to find all the nutrients and limiting the calories of those foods to equal the zone bar from table foods. Sooner or later you’ll end up having to eat a meal other than a zone bar. Before this happens, you want to know enough about table foods so that it won’t cause your diet to fail. I strive to make my diet work while eating nearly the same meals as others when in their presence. For me, it eliminates peer pressure and conflict. This in mind, going to a family BBQ, I would drink beer and eat small portions of a hamburger w/bun, potato and/or pasta salad, corn on the cob and cookies or brownies for dessert. Again the portions of these selections would be smaller than those around me, but it wouldn’t be obvious that I’m eating differently. In addition the previous and following meals would be calorie restricted to make up for this over-indulgence. If I generalize from my own experience, the low carb (LC) and (LF) dieters would eat mostly the dish they prepared to share. It’s most likely a LC or LF favorite. Beside that dish the LC dieters would eat the burger but the bun, beer, pasta salad, potato salad, corn and desserts would perhaps be avoided. Low fat (LF) dieters might avoid the beer, burger, pasta and potato salad (mayo) and dessert. Along the same lines, the Zone bar on your plate would look “different”. This is from my own observations at BBQs and doesn’t represent the eating habits of all LC or LF dieters. This “difference” and the conflicts it creates I feel would eventually cause me to give up my eating habits and join the overweight population. That’s my personal preference/weakness. Others may believe the conflict makes them stronger and more likely to succeed or that those questioning their food choices should look in a mirror and think about joining instead of ridiculing. My choice is to avoid the conflict by limiting portions at the BBQ and perhaps reducing calories at the previous and following meals in private. I do cardio three or four times a week. I assume you mean I should also be lifting weight I believe your original post said you were looking for upper body muscle. This is rather difficult with only cardio unless you’re using an elliptical cross-training machine and increasing the resistance. |
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could really use some help
Rob wrote in message ...
JMA wrote: I and most others view diet as a long-term change. yeah, that's why I didn't even bother with LC/ketogenic diets. Looking back on it, 50lbs to lose was a cakewalk really, (though it seemed to be an impossible goal at the start for some reason). eat less, exercise more. I think that's all most people need to lose any amount of weight and keep it off, though of course people need to look at their eating habits and figure out how to fit a WOE into their lifestyles. Not easy, really, and returning to the old habits will kill any diet success fast. You've got to really want to be thinner more than wanting to stuff your face. This is the core battle, everything else is a sideshow, though one must admit different people have different struggles with weight gain, and most guys have less physiological challenges than women in this department. Heywood 232/186/182 |
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could really use some help
On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:09:11 GMT, Nikko wrote:
I just figured it'd be easier to lose fat first by restricting calories and burning as many as I can (and I'm operating under the assumption that 50 minutes of cardio will burn more than 50 minutes of lifting), then start lifting once I've gotten down near my goal weight. Will this work? Yes. Are there any supplements on which there is a consensus that they are effective and should be part of my overall plan? I would really like to try ephadra/ephadrine (whichever is more effective) and I know that perhaps there is not a consensus on that one, but would appreciate any info on the recommended frequency/amount of dosage one should take. Also if there is a particular brand that anyone would like to recommend, I'd appreciate having that information as well. Forget the supplements. At this point, they will only complicate your exercise regimen. |
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