Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma

"pearl" wrote in message ...
Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
WebMD Medical News
3-24-4
..

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have
an increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat vegetables
and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

The findings appear in the March 1 issue of the American Journal
of Epidemiology.


snip

An exact quote from the discussion portion of the study:

"In this population-based case-control study, we found an increased
risk of NHL associated with higher consumption of animal protein,
saturated fat, and carbohydrates. An increased risk was also observed
for higher consumption of eggs and dairy products (including milk and
butter products) and white bread. On the other hand, a significantly
reduced risk was observed for a greater intake of dietary fiber,
tomatoes,
broccoli, squash, cabbage, cauliflower, onions, leeks, mixed lettuce
salad with vegetables (such as carrots, tomatoes), dark bread,
tortillas, popcorn, citrus fruits, apples, and pears."
****

Interesting how refined carbohydrates and white bread are prominently
mentioned in the study and the comment from the researcher
conveniently omits any reference to carbs or white bread:

http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/...?printing=true

Headline - Lots of Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have an
increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat
vegetables and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced
risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

Why is it that fat and protein takes a hit and refined carbohydrates
are conveniently ignored? Bias? Trying to add to the all fats and all
proteins are bad and all carbs are good argument? Seems fishy to me.

TC

In article , "pearl"
wrote:



A good quality veg*n diet would be healthier and if it's
weight that concerns you;


A vegan diet may very well be healthy for some people, maybe even for me.
I used to be semi-vegetarian, I ate fish but not too frequently. Anyway,
the problem was that I ate too much pasta and bread on that diet, because
vegetables alone didn't fill me up. But the pasta and bread didn't fill me
up either! I could eat unlimited quantities of starchy foods, seemingly,
and never feel satiated. Eliminating those foods has made it a lot easier
to eat less, and I feel a lot better too. Meat is a nutritionally dense
food, meat eating animals don't need to eat nearly as frequently to survive
as plant eating animals do. I think one of the things that gets missed in
the debate about low-carb diets is that for the people who respond well to
it, you end up eating less overall than before. If I look at my diet now as
compared to before (not the semi-vegetarian phase, but before that) I am
eating less meat and dairy now, and more green veggies. I have a salad and
some broccoli instead of a butter laden potato with my meat, for example,
and the meat portion is usually much smaller than it was before. So even
though meat may be a higher _percentage_ of my diet now, the actual
quantities are _lower_. Also, I'd like to see a study about moderate
protein, high fat diets where sugar and starches are at a minimum, to see
if any health problems come from that. Because I'd wager it's the
combination of high fat AND high carb that causes health problems, not one
or the other. If you study people who eat an excessive amount of meat, but
they're also eating an excessive amount of sugar, then you can't know which
excess is the culprit for the health problems, or if it's excessiveness in
general that is the problem.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Chelsea O'HIVdrip wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
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pearl wrote:


Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
WebMD Medical News
3-24-4
..

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have
an increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat vegetables
and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

The findings appear in the March 1 issue of the American Journal
of Epidemiology.

Earlier studies hinted at the same thing. Now, Zheng says, it
seems clear that a major factor in the mysterious rise of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma is a diet high in meat, saturated fats,
dairy products, and eggs and low in fiber, fruits, and vegetables.

Diets that are moderate in meat, saturated fats, dairy
products and eggs are not linked with non-Hodgkin's
lymphoma.

[snip waffle]

Nothing in that about non-Hodgkins lymphoma, O'HIVdrip.


"vegan" diets are linked with B-12 deficiency.


Cobalt and B12 deficient soil, and the use of antibiotics is.

No. "vegan" diets, if followed without the use of
supplements, invariably lead to B-12 and other
deficiencies.

Chelsea O'HIVdrip wrote:

"Patricia Heil" wrote in message ...


Ignoramus20562 wrote:


I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally fitting
human beings" if people develop critical vitamin deficiencies while on
it.

i

They also have a problem with explaining why, if vegan is natural,
humans can't manufacture all the amino acids they need from such
a diet. But they can't; they have to ingest -- I believe it's 8
-- amino acids in their diet.


'Analyses of data from the China studies by his collaborators
and others, Campbell told the epidemiology symposium, is
leading to policy recommendations. He mentioned three:

The greater the variety of plant-based foods in the diet,
the greater the benefit. Variety insures broader coverage
of known and unknown nutrient needs.

Provided there is plant food variety, quality and quantity,
a healthful and nutritionally complete diet can be attained
without animal-based food.

The closer the food is to its native state - with minimal
heating, salting and processing - the greater will be the
benefit.
..
http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et1101/et1101s18.html

Nothing in that to suggest that a diet that DOES
contain animal part is unhealthful.

pearl burbled across the ether:
"revek" wrote in message
...
Please. This is Pearl the Vegan, who regularly crossposts to start
flame wars.

Who's flaming?

You don't read for comprehension. Still.

It gives her life meaning to tell us how we are all going
to die horrible deaths and go to hell for our dietary transgressions.

Just letting you know the score

"Just" my ass. PCRM has beaten you to it. Several times.

She's not going to listen to you.

Projection.

You wish.
--
revek

I'm gonna survive or die trying.

"Luna" wrote
In article , "pearl"
wrote:



A good quality veg*n diet would be healthier and if it's
weight that concerns you;


A vegan diet may very well be healthy for some people, maybe even for me.
I used to be semi-vegetarian, I ate fish but not too frequently. Anyway,
the problem was that I ate too much pasta and bread on that diet, because
vegetables alone didn't fill me up. But the pasta and bread didn't fill
me
up either! I could eat unlimited quantities of starchy foods, seemingly,
and never feel satiated. Eliminating those foods has made it a lot easier
to eat less, and I feel a lot better too.

I checked your photos on your website, if the bowling picture is you on your
new diet, and the NY photos are the semi-veg you, what a diff, KEEP IT UP!

pearl wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

It's not the job of regulars on ASDLC to read the book for others.
Ignorance is curable, stupidity is incurable. Are you ignorant or
stupid? Reading the book will cure ignorance. Go for it!

I don't think so..

Gotcha, troll. You have chosen stupid over ignorant. Thanks for that.
Back to your PETA warrens, please.

No. "vegan" diets, if followed without the use of
supplements, invariably lead to B-12 and other
deficiencies.

not neccesarily, many meat eaters who have crohn's disease, IBS or
some other intestinal problem may lack intrinsic factor, which is a
substance released to separate b12 from protein in meat. Meat only
contains small amounts of B12 and it is bound to protein meaning it is
hard to absorb in many people.

b12 is not produced by any mammal, it is made by bacteria only. cows
have 4 stomachs and bacteria predigest their food, providing them with
massive amounts of b12.

on the contrary certain vegan foods do contain large amounts of b12,
which IS bioavailable, algae and foods fermented with bacteria contain
lots of b12, in addition these foods also contain good sources of
vitamin K, which is also important for cancer prevention

all vegans should supplement with b12, or eat fortified foods or foods
known tro contain b12

--------

J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 2002 Oct;48(5):325-31. Related
Articles, Links


Characterization and bioavailability of vitamin B12-compounds from
edible algae.

Watanabe F, Takenaka S, Kittaka-Katsura H, Ebara S, Miyamoto E.

Department of Health Science, Kochi Women's University, Kochi
780-8515, Japan.

Substantial amounts of vitamin B12 were found in some edible algae
(green and purple lavers) and algal health food (chlorella and
spirulina tablets) using the Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. lactis
ATCC7830 microbiological assay method. Corrinoid-compounds were
purified and characterized from these algae to clarify the chemical
properties and bioavailability of the algal vitamin B12. True vitamin
B12 is the predominate cobamide of green and purple lavers and
chlorella tablets. Feeding the purple laver to vitamin B12-deficient
rats significantly improved the vitamin B12 status. The results
suggest that algal vitamin B12 is a bioavailable source for mammals.
Pseudovitamin B12 (an inactive corrinoid) predominated in the
spirulina tablets, which are not suitable for use as a vitamin B12
source, especially for vegetarians. algal health food,
bioavailability, cobalamin, edible algae, vitamin B12

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12656203 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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The source and content of vitamin B12 in the tempehs.

Areekul S, Pattanamatum S, Cheeramakara C, Churdchue K, Nitayapabskoon
S, Chongsanguan M.

Department of Tropical Radioisotopes, Faculty of Tropical Medicine,
Mahidol University, Bangkok, Thailand.

Vitamin B12 contents were determined on 10 commercial tempeh samples
purchased from various markets in Jakarta, Indonesia. A relatively
high vitamin B12 content was found, i.e., 19 ng/g (ranges from 1.8 to
41.4 ng/g). As soybeans contain no vitamin B12, the amount of vitamin
in the tempeh must therefore be derived from the other sources during
the fermentation process. The tempeh prepared in the laboratory by
inoculation of the commercial starter into the sterile soybean
contained a much higher amount of vitamin B12, 127 ng/g (ranges from
122 to 136 ng/g). Pure mold and a single species of bacteria were
isolated from the starter and commercial tempehs. Pure mold did not
produce vitamin B12 in the sterile broth, soybean and medium used for
vitamin B12 production. Only the isolated bacteria, identified as K.
pneumoniae, could produce vitamin B12 in those substrates. The
presence of mold did not significantly enhance or inhibit the vitamin
B12 production by K. pneumoniae. It was, therefore, concluded that K.
pneumoniae, the bacteria contaminated during the process of tempeh
production, was responsible for the vitamin B12 production.

PMID: 2380647 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Jonathan Ball wrote in message ink.net...
Chelsea O'HIVdrip wrote:

"Patricia Heil" wrote in message ...


Ignoramus20562 wrote:


I wonder how vegans could claim that their diet is "naturally fitting
human beings" if people develop critical vitamin deficiencies while on
it.

i

They also have a problem with explaining why, if vegan is natural,
humans can't manufacture all the amino acids they need from such
a diet. But they can't; they have to ingest -- I believe it's 8
-- amino acids in their diet.


'Analyses of data from the China studies by his collaborators
and others, Campbell told the epidemiology symposium, is
leading to policy recommendations. He mentioned three:

The greater the variety of plant-based foods in the diet,
the greater the benefit. Variety insures broader coverage
of known and unknown nutrient needs.

Provided there is plant food variety, quality and quantity,
a healthful and nutritionally complete diet can be attained
without animal-based food.

The closer the food is to its native state - with minimal
heating, salting and processing - the greater will be the
benefit.
..
http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et1101/et1101s18.html

Nothing in that to suggest that a diet that DOES
contain animal part is unhealthful.



Nothing anywhere on any newsgroup to suggest you have a brain.

BTW, drop your knickers, bend over and grab your ankles. Etter will
be back from hiding soon and he'll be hungry for *you*!



..

(tcomeau) wrote in message . com...
"pearl" wrote in message ...
Diet Linked To Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma
Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk
By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
WebMD Medical News
3-24-4
..

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have
an increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat vegetables
and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced risk of
non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

The findings appear in the March 1 issue of the American Journal
of Epidemiology.


snip

An exact quote from the discussion portion of the study:

"In this population-based case-control study, we found an increased
risk of NHL associated with higher consumption of animal protein,
saturated fat, and carbohydrates. An increased risk was also observed
for higher consumption of eggs and dairy products (including milk and
butter products) and white bread. On the other hand, a significantly
reduced risk was observed for a greater intake of dietary fiber,
tomatoes,
broccoli, squash, cabbage, cauliflower, onions, leeks, mixed lettuce
salad with vegetables (such as carrots, tomatoes), dark bread,
tortillas, popcorn, citrus fruits, apples, and pears."
****

Interesting how refined carbohydrates and white bread are prominently
mentioned in the study and the comment from the researcher
conveniently omits any reference to carbs or white bread:

http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/...?printing=true

Headline - Lots of Meat, Saturated Fat, Dairy May Raise Risk

"What we found is if a person has a higher intake of animal protein,
they will have a higher risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Zheng tells
Web. "And people who have a higher intake of saturated fat have an
increased risk. On the other hand, if you have higher-than-average
intake of dietary fiber -- particularly if you frequently eat
vegetables and fruits with a high fiber content -- you have a reduced
risk of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

Why is it that fat and protein takes a hit and refined carbohydrates
are conveniently ignored? Bias? Trying to add to the all fats and all
proteins are bad and all carbs are good argument? Seems fishy to me.

TC

Interesting.....

TC