"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" available NOW in the U.S.

"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with
weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood sugar
level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin in the World"
is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the NBA. It also has the
Gold seal award for using only the highest grade and most absorbable
nutrients known to man.

For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the 'net for "The
Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to:

www.dontforgettotakeyourvitamins.com/spivak29919

jas3777 wrote:
"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" nutritionally supports people with
weight loss issues, stress, digestion/indigestion problems, blood
....

Um, I think that this is at best a hype-job or at worst a scam. You don't
get "nutritional" support from a vitamin, you get micro-nutrients that are a
part of your overall health.

The link given is tagged so that somebody gets "credit" for you having gone
there. In this case it's "spivak29919". With some digging I managed to get
into that web w/o using the pro-offered tag. I dug around a bit, got lots
of hype and innuendo, but couldn't find a list of what was actually
contained in their pill(s). However, to be fair, I didn't spend a lot of
time there--mostly to avoid leaving any more "credit" points for someone.

The short version is that when you see a vitamin oriented supplement that
advertises that some combination of their ingredients is for "Stress
relief", you can be sure that it's bogus. There is no known (that means
provable) vitamin or combination of vitamins that relieves or mitigates the
effects of stress on the body. Neither is there any known combination that
relieves "sugar level/diabetes" problems and so on...

Further, in order to get anywhere near your MDR, it's going to take more
than 1 pill--more than several, even. You just can't cram enough stuff into
one pill and keep it small enough to be swallowed. In addition, some
vitamins are oil based, and can't easily be integrated into a dry pellet--at
least not without suffering dramatic loss of value. In addition to that,
when incorporated in its best form, the oil based ones tend to "bleed" into
the matrix of the vehicle material. At best it just discolors the pill, and
at worst it renders an awful taste and smell.

Save your time and money. Dr. Atkins and others have already laid out a
pretty sufficient vitamin venue for you. I suggest you follow them, and
leave "the greatest vitamin in the world" to those that don't know better...

I took the links below out of my favorites folder. They do point to vitamin
vendor, but there's no special "credit" or other reward for me or anybody
that I know of when you visit this site. I've never done business with
these folks, so I can't tell you how they are to deal with. I do know that
they have excellent descriptions and information. And that's how I use
their web pages (it was recommended by a doctor friend of ours). You are
each, of course, free to purchase from them or not.

Their home page:
http://www.vitacost.com/

A brief description of supplements and what they're meant to be:
http://www.vitacost.com/newsroom/pre...pr20030102.cfm

A little about vitamin and mineral supplements for otherwise healthy people.
This is a great source of information about needs vs. marketing. It's long,
but well worth your time to read:
http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/H...eral_Supps.htm

And finally, here's an excellent reference list (also long) of all vitamins
and what they are, mean, and do (my favorite page):
http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Index/Supp.htm

DustyB
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sugar level/diabetes, among a host of others. "The Greatest Vitamin
in the World" is endorsed by the NBCCA representing most teams in the
NBA. It also has the Gold seal award for using only the highest grade
and most absorbable nutrients known to man.

For more information and the absolute lowest prices on the 'net for
"The Greatest Vitamin in the World," go to:

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Um, I think that this is at best a hype-job or at worst a scam.

Absolutely incorrect on both counts. Did you thoroughly read the web site
information?


...There is no known (that means provable) vitamin or combination of
vitamins that relieves or mitigates the effects of stress on the body.

Per the web
site:

The Greatest Vitamin in the World includes many nutrients, along with the
B-complex vitamins, to ensure that your body has the best fighting chance
against the damaging effects of stress. It includes vitamins A, C, E, and
selenium, which are antioxidants working together against damaging free
radicals. Vitamin C also is essential to adrenal gland function, and is
necessary for adrenal hormone synthesis and is often depleted with chronic
stress. We have also included Chromium, which supports vitamin C metabolism
in the body. Vitamin E is shown to prevent damage to the adrenal cells. The
minerals magnesium and zinc are key ingredients, especially in reducing
anxiety, fear, and even hallucinations in highly stressed individuals.
Selenium is known for its ability to decrease anxiety attacks.


Neither is there any known combination that relieves "sugar
level/diabetes" problems and so on...

Again, quoting verbatim from the web site:

Nutrition can play a vital role in people with diabetes, especially for
those with adult onset diabetes (type 2 diabetes). Chromium is an essential
trace element that is required for the body to have normal insulin function.
When the body has a chromium deficiency it can produce symptoms such as
impaired glucose metabolism, high blood sugar levels, lower HDL levels, as
well as many other problems. If your diet is high in refined sugars and
refined grains like white bread, you actual intensify the chromium depletion
in the body. This is why we feel it is critical to include Chromium chelate
in each capsule. Unlike other formulas that put the most popular form of
chromium in their product "Chromium Picolinate", The Greatest Vitamin in
the World sticks with what the research shows as the Greatest form of
Chromium for your body even though it is not popular. The patented amino
acid chelated form of Chromium found in our product is absorbed and retained
better than any other form of chromium tested.

If you have diabetes, please monitor your glucose requirements closely to
see what reduction you have after taking these vitamins. The results may
shock you. There are many other ingredients included in this vitamin
supplement that are known to assist the body in areas which help assist in
blood glucose levels.

Gymnema sylvestre is another amazing herb that we included in our vitamin.
Gymnema sylvestre studies show an amazing effect on human blood sugar levels
with adult onset diabetics. In the past 20 years researchers have determined
that Gymnema sylvestre may even play an important role with people with type
1 diabetes. Researchers believe that gymnema sylvestre may play a key role
in helping the body repair the pancreas's beta cells, which plays a vital
role in the production of and secretion of insulin into the body. Reversing
beta cell damage is something that no other herb has been found to
accomplish. And the great thing about this herb is that it doesn't seem to
have any effect on those who have a perfectly normal pancreas function.
Gymnema sylvestre is also known to help the body in blood body fat and
cholesterol levels!


Further, in order to get anywhere near your MDR, it's going to take more
than 1 pill--more than several, even. You just can't cram enough stuff into
one pill and keep it small enough to be swallowed.

Your point being, what? Nobody ever said the dosage of "The Greatest Vitamin
in the World" is one tablet per day for all the benefits you will receive.
Almost every supplement that Atkins Nutritionals sells requires you to take
them 2 to 3 times a day.


In addition, some vitamins are oil based, and can't easily be integrated
into a dry pellet--at least not without suffering dramatic loss of value.
In addition to that, when incorporated in its best form, the oil based ones
tend to "bleed" into the matrix of the vehicle material. At best it just
discolors the pill, and at worst it renders an awful taste and smell.

Again, you're commenting without the facts. My suggestion is that you
thoroughly read the information contained on the web site. The vitamins
pills are not "discolored" nor do they render "an awful taste and smell."

"The Greatest Vitamin in the World" is a new product utilising Whole
Vitamins (not synthetic), Chelated Minerals (most absorbable for the body to
be able to utilize ), Probiotics (good bacteria for the intestine which is
critical for the body's immune system ), Vegetable Enzymes (critical in
supporting the body in digesting all the food we eat ), all in one vitamin!

I wouldn't expect anyone to post criticism of it when you haven't tried the
product and you didn't bother to educate yourself on its tremendous
benefits.


jas3777

jas3777 wrote:
Um, I think that this is at best a hype-job or at worst a scam.
Absolutely incorrect on both counts. Did you thoroughly read the web
site information?
No. I said that I didn't. I wasn't going to go traipsing about in a
website that dishes out credits to various "finders" (read: news group
spammers) for directing folks to their site. That puts you just about
"on-par" with all of the 'pecker-stretcher' or 'breast-enlargement' spams we
all get every day. And if you ask those folks, they'll swear that their
products work as well as you do yours...

...There is no known (that means provable) vitamin or combination
of vitamins that relieves or mitigates the effects of stress on the
body.

Per
the web site:
Yeah, cute! Unbiased, thoroughly peer-reviewed, and doctor tested, hu? And
go there so that you can get more goodie points. Sure! Wait for it....
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....
Neither is there any known combination that relieves "sugar
level/diabetes" problems and so on...

Again, quoting verbatim from the web site:

Nutrition can play a vital role in people with diabetes, especially
Yes. "Nutrition" can; popping vitamin supplements can't. In modern times
only a carbohydrate control diet, like Atkins (and related), have shown to
have *ANY* ability to deal with some levels of some forms of diabetes. Some
truly remarkable strides have been made allowing people to reduce and in
some instances even stop taking their medications. *NO* vitamin supplement
has ever done that. Nor will it. Unless your charlatans can cook up a,
"vitamin Z." That's one that eliminates carbohydrates from the diet. Now
that one, I could get behind...

And yes, I know of a handful of micro-nutrients that have been shown to have
an affect in some of the several insulin impacted metabolic cycles going on
in the body. But *NONE* have ever made the slightest impact on the course,
treatment, or resolution of anyone with diabetes. Cuz if they did, I should
have been able to find at least one of the medical journals that I read that
would have trumpeted that fact.

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Further, in order to get anywhere near your MDR, it's going to
take more than 1 pill--more than several, even. You just can't cram
enough stuff into one pill and keep it small enough to be swallowed.
Your point being, what? Nobody ever said the dosage of "The Greatest
Vitamin in the World" is one tablet per day for all the benefits you
will receive. Almost every supplement that Atkins Nutritionals sells
requires you to take them 2 to 3 times a day.
That's why I don't take what they peddle either. I read the journals (and
Atkins and related) and figure out what I need, and what I don't. I
understand which food items I must consume and what they will yield, and
from that extrapolate what micro-nutrients I might be missing. Then I go to
my local pharmacy and purchase whatever might be "short."

In addition, some vitamins are oil based, and can't easily be
integrated
into a dry pellet--at least not without suffering dramatic loss of
value. In addition to that, when incorporated in its best form, the
oil based ones tend to "bleed" into the matrix of the vehicle
material. At best it just discolors the pill, and at worst it
renders an awful taste and smell.
Again, you're commenting without the facts. My suggestion is that you
thoroughly read the information contained on the web site. The
vitamins pills are not "discolored" nor do they render "an awful
taste and smell."
I didn't say they were. I said that when you mix oil-based vitamins into a
dry mix, they cause discoloring and can generate bad flavors and smells.
There are ways to get around that. The most common way is for vendors to
use lesser effective dry precursors and carry on as if they were just as
good (and in their own minds, they are). They are not!

You can present an oil soluable vitamin in a non-oily form. Chemically that
can be done. But you can not put the same amount of active materials (if
any at all) into that kind of mix. An oil based vitamin is an oil based
vitamin for a reason--and it's not marketing. If you could manage that, and
still get the same results; then you could market a "dry" olive oil--but it
just wouldn't be the same, now would it? And as far as I know, that's not
yet possible...

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I wouldn't expect anyone to post criticism of it when you haven't
tried the product and you didn't bother to educate yourself on its
tremendous benefits.
Um, I have "educated myself" on the tremendous benefits of various aspects
of nutrition; as well as the drawbacks, limitation, fallicies, and the
pop-science garbage that everybody and their uncle will try to sell me.

All of the doctors I know, and all of the doctors I've read--absent those
that are fronts, shills, or owners of vitamin stores--will tell you the same
thing. I was gonna give you some links, but a closed mind (or at least one
that gets "credits" from having others visit a website) certainly isn't
going to follow and read them. So it would be a waste of bandwidth and my
time to do so...

But for my friends on this list and the general good here's a link that
might prove useful. These guys are also pill-peddlers, but they also
provide a wealth of information that you can check out via JAMA, CDC, NEJM,
similar pubs, or your own MD. They don't sell a wonder pill, they just sell
products without any made up hype. Again, I don't work for 'em and I don't
buy their pills. But they have great info.

Here's a list of vitamins, what they do, what they don't, and how they're
best delivered (and crammed into "the greatest vitamin in the world", they
ain't!):
http://www.vitacost.com/science/hn/Index/Supp.htm

If you're gonna try to live in this world, you really ought to get yourself
better informed.


DustyB
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"HealthNutz" wrote in message
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jas3777 wrote:
Um, I think that this is at best a hype-job or at worst a scam.
Absolutely incorrect on both counts. Did you thoroughly read the web
site information?
No. I said that I didn't. I wasn't going to go traipsing about in a
website that dishes out credits to various "finders" (read: news group
spammers) for directing folks to their site. That puts you just about
"on-par" with all of the 'pecker-stretcher' or 'breast-enlargement' spams
we
all get every day. And if you ask those folks, they'll swear that their
products work as well as you do yours...


You must be a big proponent of the "shoot the messenger" theory, whereby a
provider of a link to an important breakthrough in vitamin research is
lumped together with sexual enhancement products.

I would sooner accept your theories if they tackled the real issues of "The
Greatest Vitamin in the World." There is verifiable data throughout the site
complete with a list of references (JAMA among them) that support the
findings of the team that worked on bringing the vitamin to market.

Of course, the product's name is meant to attract attention (in addition to
accurately describing itself). That's called sales. Would you complain about
the Centrum and One-A-Day manufacturers if they released a product called
"The Panacea to Everything that Ails You" if they had clinical tests to
support their findings? What if their marketing strategy began on the
internet with salespeople touting the benefits of their product? What if, by
telling people about this product, these people earn a referral fee? Will
you come to the conclusion that it's on par with penis enlargers?

Buy the product, don't buy the product, it doesn't matter at all. You've
made up your mind, let the facts be damned.

jas3777 wrote:
"HealthNutz" wrote in message
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....
You must be a big proponent of the "shoot the messenger" theory,
No. Actually, I'm a proponent of the, "shoot the idiot," theory.

whereby a provider of a link to an important breakthrough in vitamin
research is lumped together with sexual enhancement products.
There is *NO* such thing as an important breakthrough in vitamin research.
Vitamins have been around for a long time. They are fairly well known.
Their function is fairly well understood. And their sources are fairly well
established. No new ones are likely to be found. And no new combination of
vitamins or mineral supplements is going to yield a new and heretofore
unheard of result. The "breakthrough" you're trumpeting is nothing more
than packaging and marketing (read: HYPE!). Hardly anything to get excited
about...

I would sooner accept your theories if they tackled the real issues
I did. You don't understand them or my factual posts to you stand in the
face of what you're trying to do (spam & scam the newsgroup readership for
profit).

of "The Greatest Vitamin in the World." There is verifiable data
throughout the site complete with a list of references (JAMA among
them) that support the findings of the team that worked on bringing
the vitamin to market.
The "verifiable" part of the data is the names and contents of the vitamins.
Your claims for them to be "the greatest vitamin in the world" is simply
crap! Mouth motions. Empty promises. Nothing useful or valid.

Of course, the product's name is meant to attract attention (in
addition to accurately describing itself). That's called sales. Would
No? Really? Damn, I guess I just don't understand guerilla
marketing...NOT! There's no end to idiots and fools that are swayed by ads
like yours. Why do you think they send out all those "pecker stretcher"
ads? CUZ THEY WORK ON THE FEEBLE MINDED!

you complain about the Centrum and One-A-Day manufacturers if they
released a product called "The Panacea to Everything that Ails You"
Absolutely. Cuz there's such a thing as a "One-a-day", there's no such
thing as "the panacea to everything that ails you" (aka. "the greatest
vitamin in the world"). PERIOD!

The only thing you can control is content and quantity. ANYONE can do that
with any combination of useful supplements. Once that's done, that material
ingested would be "the greatest vitamin in the world", sans hype of course.
Then, since then there would be TWO, both can't be the greatest. So, that
means one, by definition, is a LIE. And that my misguided friend, would be
you and yours...

if they had clinical tests to support their findings? What if their
You can find "clinical tests" to support most anything. So what. Read all
about how "low-fat" and "hi-carb" is the best diet in the world. Words to
lull the simple into compliance. They're not gonna get far in this group...

marketing strategy began on the internet with salespeople touting the
benefits of their product? What if, by telling people about this
Anytime somebody hypes a product across multiple news groups for a fee, it's
SPAM and almost always introduces a SCAM!

product, these people earn a referral fee? Will you come to the
conclusion that it's on par with penis enlargers?
No. They're both simple scams to net the unwary. BE GONE WITH YA!

Buy the product, don't buy the product, it doesn't matter at all.
You've made up your mind, let the facts be damned.
No my simple minded shill, it's you that lets the facts become a damning
factor. The fact is, you do this for a fee. You're ignorant of the facts
(about medicine and vitamins). And you're nothing but another news group
spammer! BE GONE WITH YA!


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For those that understand, no explanation is necessary. For those that
don't, no explanation will suffice.

It's a tremendous product. You haven't used it. Your argument is skewed.
Rather than taking cheap shots at me why not read up on the vitamin? In many
ways it really is different than other vitamin products. It uses WHOLE
vitamins (not synthetic), chelated minerals, vegetable enzymes and
probiotics. Name me another vitamin that even comes close.

Flame war over. Continue to call me names if you like, but there's no scam
here.


jas3777