"Can you believe all these fat people?"

"katie k" wrote in message
om...
It's like it's the new pastime or
something. Sad really. :-(
--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

well, JC has made a hobby of it

katie k

You're really growing quite attached to me.

How cute.

Just like a little tick.

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:32:26 -0500, Linda Harms wrote:

}When I lose weight, people notice me more, pay more attention to me.
}Men look at me on the street, sometimes smiling at me, saying "Hello,"
}although I don't know them. When I go into a store, the clerk smiles
}and asks "Can I help you?"

That is not strange at all. I have had a weight problem my entire life.
Thirteen years ago (when I was in my early 30s) a new police chief put a
bunch of us on the Balance Program, a closely supervised liquid diet
similar to Optifast. I dropped 46 pounds in 10 weeks and was down to less
than I weighed in the 7th grade (205). I was also doing a lot of running
(up to 9 miles a day) and was in the best shape of my life (~9 percent body
fat).

We were supposed to get up to 2 years of follow-up support which ended-up
being about 6 weeks (the local hospital dropped the program). I kept the
weight off for about 6 months then slowly gained it all back over a span of
about 2 years. The strange thing was when I was thinner, women noticed me
for the first time in my life. I had a hard time handling the compliments
and temptations of actually feeling 'wanted'. My 12 year marriage fell
apart (problems came to a head when I started losing weight and the wife
hated it) leaving me financially ruined. Strangely, I found that being fat
was much safer socially.

Fast forward 12 years and I am now a type 2 diabetic on insulin and way out
of shape. I went on insulin 2 years ago and gained 40 pounds in what seemed
like over night (the doc said he was happy as it showed I finally got some
control of the blood sugar). At my last visit to the endo and seeing I had
reached a personal high of 290 pounds, I asked about doing Atkins' (my
family doctor was all for it if it meant better sugar control). The endo
told me he didn't recommend it for diabetics as it was very bad on the
kidneys (mine were just tested and checked out OK). He added Trichlor as my
triglycerides were sky high 600+) to a regiment that already included 6
other meds (including Zocor). I asked how hard it was on the kidneys to be
100 pounds overweight, taking 8 different meds a day plus shooting 85U of
Lantus at night?

I read more about low carb diets and decided to give it a try. Since
starting a whole week ago G, I am down 5 pounds but more importantly
haven't needed ANY insulin in 6 days. I still take the pills and use that
to control the blood sugars (plus checking it more often during the day).
My sugar this morning was 82, the lowest morning reading I have seen since
being diagnosed 8+ years ago. Time will tell what will happen but if I can
endure a starvation/liquid diet for 10 weeks then this lifestyle should be
a piece of cake (pardon the pun)...

I do have a question. On the liquid diet I was hungry all of the time
(tends to happen when starving yourself). Now I must force myself to eat as
I have NO hunger. My stomach does have a slight 'queezy' feeling during the
day. Is that normal?

I just found this group a few days ago and have been catching up on the
subjects. However, it does amaze me the amount of discrimination toward us
fat people when in the US a high percentage of the total population are
considered obese (and climbing)...

Later,
Dave

Dave Balcom burbled across the ether:
snip


I do have a question. On the liquid diet I was hungry all of the time
(tends to happen when starving yourself). Now I must force myself to
eat as I have NO hunger. My stomach does have a slight 'queezy'
feeling during the day. Is that normal?

Very common. Ketosis can make you feel a tad queasy for a while, til
you adjust to it (or you could just have a mild bug). Ketosis also is
often an appetite suppresant-- not everybody gets this but it is the
number one reason low carb is easier to stick to than any other diet.

Welcome to asdlc.

--
revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June
2002 5'2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please
For a Westerner to trash Western culture is like criticizing our
nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere on the grounds that it sometimes gets
windy, and besides, Jupiter's is much prettier. You may not realize its
advantages until you're trying to breathe liquid methane. ---Neal
Stephenson

I do have a question. On the liquid diet I was hungry all of the time
(tends to happen when starving yourself). Now I must force myself to
eat as I have NO hunger. My stomach does have a slight 'queezy'
feeling during the day. Is that normal?

Very common. Ketosis can make you feel a tad queasy for a while, til
you adjust to it (or you could just have a mild bug). Ketosis also is
often an appetite suppresant-- not everybody gets this but it is the
number one reason low carb is easier to stick to than any other diet.

Welcome to asdlc.


The loss of appetite is true for me.
I also feel stronger and more awake, more energy.
Not really surprizing considering I am eating healthier foods than ever
before in my life ! All these long years avoiding anything with fats .. I
feel like I've found a miracle.

..........................

Welcome Dave. I did pretty much the same program as you in 1997. Lost 143
pounds. I never regained it all but still here I am. I've been low carbing
since January 28 and I'm close to 30 pounds down. I'v never been really
hungry on this WOE like I was on the fast, but I still get hungry. In fact,
I tried Atkins about a year ago and was so hungry all the time I couldn't
even make it past the first week. I'm not sure what the difference is this
time but now I just feel normal hunger about 6 hours after a meal. I get
urges to eat much sooner, but it's not hunger, it's a habit of snacking I
need to break.
You're right on the money about this being a piece of cake compared to the
fast. Even though after about 2 weeks I found the fast easy. I just didn't
have any choices to struggle with. Good luck and hope to see you posting
your progress.
--
Bear
Grrrrrrrrrrrr )
297/268.5/210
Highest weight 353
http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html






"Dave Balcom" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:32:26 -0500, Linda Harms wrote:

}When I lose weight, people notice me more, pay more attention to me.
}Men look at me on the street, sometimes smiling at me, saying "Hello,"
}although I don't know them. When I go into a store, the clerk smiles
}and asks "Can I help you?"

That is not strange at all. I have had a weight problem my entire life.
Thirteen years ago (when I was in my early 30s) a new police chief put a
bunch of us on the Balance Program, a closely supervised liquid diet
similar to Optifast. I dropped 46 pounds in 10 weeks and was down to less
than I weighed in the 7th grade (205). I was also doing a lot of running
(up to 9 miles a day) and was in the best shape of my life (~9 percent
body
fat).

We were supposed to get up to 2 years of follow-up support which ended-up
being about 6 weeks (the local hospital dropped the program). I kept the
weight off for about 6 months then slowly gained it all back over a span
of
about 2 years. The strange thing was when I was thinner, women noticed me
for the first time in my life. I had a hard time handling the compliments
and temptations of actually feeling 'wanted'. My 12 year marriage fell
apart (problems came to a head when I started losing weight and the wife
hated it) leaving me financially ruined. Strangely, I found that being fat
was much safer socially.

Fast forward 12 years and I am now a type 2 diabetic on insulin and way
out
of shape. I went on insulin 2 years ago and gained 40 pounds in what
seemed
like over night (the doc said he was happy as it showed I finally got some
control of the blood sugar). At my last visit to the endo and seeing I had
reached a personal high of 290 pounds, I asked about doing Atkins' (my
family doctor was all for it if it meant better sugar control). The endo
told me he didn't recommend it for diabetics as it was very bad on the
kidneys (mine were just tested and checked out OK). He added Trichlor as
my
triglycerides were sky high 600+) to a regiment that already included 6
other meds (including Zocor). I asked how hard it was on the kidneys to be
100 pounds overweight, taking 8 different meds a day plus shooting 85U of
Lantus at night?

I read more about low carb diets and decided to give it a try. Since
starting a whole week ago G, I am down 5 pounds but more importantly
haven't needed ANY insulin in 6 days. I still take the pills and use that
to control the blood sugars (plus checking it more often during the day).
My sugar this morning was 82, the lowest morning reading I have seen since
being diagnosed 8+ years ago. Time will tell what will happen but if I can
endure a starvation/liquid diet for 10 weeks then this lifestyle should be
a piece of cake (pardon the pun)...

I do have a question. On the liquid diet I was hungry all of the time
(tends to happen when starving yourself). Now I must force myself to eat
as
I have NO hunger. My stomach does have a slight 'queezy' feeling during
the
day. Is that normal?

I just found this group a few days ago and have been catching up on the
subjects. However, it does amaze me the amount of discrimination toward us
fat people when in the US a high percentage of the total population are
considered obese (and climbing)...

Later,
Dave

Dave Balcom wrote:


At my last visit to the endo and seeing I had
reached a personal high of 290 pounds, I asked about doing Atkins' (my
family doctor was all for it if it meant better sugar control). The endo
told me he didn't recommend it for diabetics as it was very bad on the
kidneys (mine were just tested and checked out OK).

Frustrating, isn't it? You would think that medical professionals,
especially endos, would get the facts before giving instructions.

I read more about low carb diets and decided to give it a try. Since
starting a whole week ago G, I am down 5 pounds but more importantly
haven't needed ANY insulin in 6 days. I still take the pills and use that
to control the blood sugars (plus checking it more often during the day).
My sugar this morning was 82, the lowest morning reading I have seen since
being diagnosed 8+ years ago. Time will tell what will happen but if I can
endure a starvation/liquid diet for 10 weeks then this lifestyle should be
a piece of cake (pardon the pun)...

Be sure to explain this to the endo when you see him next. Give him a
few samples of your meals. Maybe he'll eventually see the light. If he
says it's just because you have lost weight, show him your readings
from day 1 on. It's not just the weight, it's the carbs. He knows
this. He learned it way back in medical school. ;-)

I do have a question. On the liquid diet I was hungry all of the time
(tends to happen when starving yourself). Now I must force myself to eat as
I have NO hunger. My stomach does have a slight 'queezy' feeling during the
day. Is that normal?

I asked the same question a little while ago. I wondered if I was
nauseated or if this is how "normal" people feel when they are not
hungry. The general consensus was that it's normal.

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It is interesting to think about. I wonder how others will view me
when I am thin. I wonder how I will view myself. And I wonder how I
will view people who are (still) fat.

carla


What I find interesting is this:

When I am fat, I am invisible. Men don't look at me on the street. If
they do notice me, they frown and look away. When I walk up to the
counter in a store I have to work very hard to get the clerk's
attention.

When I lose weight, people notice me more, pay more attention to me.
Men look at me on the street, sometimes smiling at me, saying "Hello,"
although I don't know them. When I go into a store, the clerk smiles
and asks "Can I help you?"

Isn't that a paradox? The larger I am, the harder it is for people to
see me. You would think it would be the other way around!

That's been my experience, too. I still can't get over the shocked look
on
people's faces if I actually dare to SPEAK and say anything they wouldn't
expect
from a fat person (i.e., yes, no, I'm fine, how are you?).


Or, I hate to say it, anything intelligent. I get more crap - and have
always gotten more crap - because I am relatively literate, and can
think. Heavens forefend.


I can relate to that. I can remember so many times when people looked
absolutely astounded when I said something intelligent, or was the one
to figure out the solution to a problem, or just knew the information
that was needed at the moment.

They assume that fat people are stupid.

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

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says...
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Linda Harms wrote:

In article ,
says...


It is interesting to think about. I wonder how others will view me
when I am thin. I wonder how I will view myself. And I wonder how I
will view people who are (still) fat.

carla


What I find interesting is this:

When I am fat, I am invisible. Men don't look at me on the street. If
they do notice me, they frown and look away. When I walk up to the
counter in a store I have to work very hard to get the clerk's
attention.

When I lose weight, people notice me more, pay more attention to me.
Men look at me on the street, sometimes smiling at me, saying "Hello,"
although I don't know them. When I go into a store, the clerk smiles
and asks "Can I help you?"

Isn't that a paradox? The larger I am, the harder it is for people to
see me. You would think it would be the other way around!

That's been my experience too, except that sometimes the attention I get is
unwanted. I'm out shopping in the middle of the day because I work
afternoons and evenings, but I have to ask WHAT is with those clusters of
men outside stores just doing nothing in the middle of the day? You have
to walk past them to get in the shops, and most are not brazen enough to
actually make what I would consider cat calls, but they do a fair amount of
leering and I get a lot more "hello"s from strange men than I used to. I
wish I didn't have a problem with a man saying hello, it's not the saying
hello part that bothers me, it's the fact that they're just standing there
doing nothing, and they stare directly in your eyes from the moment you get
out of your car, and after you walk past they're still frikkin' staring.

It's the stare of the predator that makes me uncomfortable. It's no
coincidence that these men have been called "wolves." Or that when they
whistle at a woman it's called a "wolf whistle."

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

In article , balcy24
@charter.net says...
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:32:26 -0500, Linda Harms wrote:

}When I lose weight, people notice me more, pay more attention to me.
}Men look at me on the street, sometimes smiling at me, saying "Hello,"
}although I don't know them. When I go into a store, the clerk smiles
}and asks "Can I help you?"

That is not strange at all. I have had a weight problem my entire life.
Thirteen years ago (when I was in my early 30s) a new police chief put a
bunch of us on the Balance Program, a closely supervised liquid diet
similar to Optifast. I dropped 46 pounds in 10 weeks and was down to less
than I weighed in the 7th grade (205). I was also doing a lot of running
(up to 9 miles a day) and was in the best shape of my life (~9 percent body
fat).

We were supposed to get up to 2 years of follow-up support which ended-up
being about 6 weeks (the local hospital dropped the program). I kept the
weight off for about 6 months then slowly gained it all back over a span of
about 2 years. The strange thing was when I was thinner, women noticed me
for the first time in my life. I had a hard time handling the compliments
and temptations of actually feeling 'wanted'. My 12 year marriage fell
apart (problems came to a head when I started losing weight and the wife
hated it) leaving me financially ruined. Strangely, I found that being fat
was much safer socially.

I think it's very important for people to lose weight slowly, so that we
have time to adjust to a new self-image. Also, if it's feasible, I
think it is helpful to get some kind of professional psych counseling to
help us make the transition from fat to "normal." Speaking for myself,
there are alot of psychological reasons why I became a fat child and
kept myself a fat adult for so many years. If I don't deal with the
underlying reasons why I abused food, I'm just going to go right back to
doing it.


I read more about low carb diets and decided to give it a try. Since
starting a whole week ago G, I am down 5 pounds but more importantly
haven't needed ANY insulin in 6 days. I still take the pills and use that
to control the blood sugars (plus checking it more often during the day).
My sugar this morning was 82, the lowest morning reading I have seen since
being diagnosed 8+ years ago. Time will tell what will happen but if I can
endure a starvation/liquid diet for 10 weeks then this lifestyle should be
a piece of cake (pardon the pun)...

You're off to a good start. Especially the part where you call it a
lifestyle instead of a diet. It can get tough to sustain along the way,
but there are many people in this newsgroup who are doing it for years,
and they can be really helpful.

I do have a question. On the liquid diet I was hungry all of the time
(tends to happen when starving yourself). Now I must force myself to eat as
I have NO hunger. My stomach does have a slight 'queezy' feeling during the
day. Is that normal?

Normal. Re. the queezy feeling, revek's answer sounds right, plus it
could be that you are detoxing. If you had been eating alot of junk
foods with preservatives, additives, etc., and stopped, you might be
cleansing that crap out of your system.

Once, many years ago, I went on a water fast. The first few days were
great, and then my body started to discard toxins that had been building
for years, due to the garbage that I had been eating. I vomited
brownish liquids for days. That was not fun!

I just found this group a few days ago and have been catching up on the
subjects. However, it does amaze me the amount of discrimination toward us
fat people when in the US a high percentage of the total population are
considered obese (and climbing)...


Welcome to the group. Take what you need and leave the rest.

--
************************************
Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

In article ,
says...
I just found this group a few days ago and have been catching up on the
subjects. However, it does amaze me the amount of discrimination toward us
fat people when in the US a high percentage of the total population are
considered obese (and climbing)...

Hi Dave, welcome to the group!

--
Saffire
205/168/125 - 5'2.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333