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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
Well, I have not been journaling for at least 6 weeks and, again,
using my fairly standard menu routine, been maintaining with those ups and downs. But I think journaling and calling attention to my snacks might be a good idea. And maybe just journaling snacks would be a good subroutine to follow. On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:31:24 +1000, "JulieB" wrote: "Fred" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:47:38 +1000, "JulieB" wrote: Still under goal which is a good thing. I think lifetime maintenance is all about bouncing around a bit. Surely there's no one out there who stays exactly the same weight every single day? I agree. I guess I don't like the TWO pound up and then down but maybe that is where things are. Looking over my Maintenance Weights I see since July 9th: 158.2 161 159.2 160.2 159.4 161.8 159.4 161.4 Yup, two pounds up and down seems to be where you're at. From my perspective, it's only a kilo so I wouldn't be too worried about it. The joys of the metric system I still journal haphazardly, and if I really want to get down to my personal goal I'm going to have to focus on it a bit more. It's a great tool to have for the times you feel like you're starting to lose that control. I think that's why I decided to start again- refocus and maintain control. And it works too. The weeks I don't journal I gain, the weeks I do I lose. I hope at some point I'm going to get to the stage of "the weeks I don't journal I stay the same", but that's going to take some practise I feel. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
Unfortunately only time will make you feel better. It is too early for that
to happen for you. Give it another 6 months before things start to get back to normal. One of my chunks of weight gain came after losing my daughter and father within 6 months of each other. Keep journaling and while you may need the comfort food now and again (its allowed and needed) you will at least be able to keep an eye on how much food you consume. Find some low point foods that comfort you. That will help keep the points down. Hang in there. -- Laura "Fred" wrote in message ... Thanks. I am trying to flow with, well, the flow. There are days..... Fred On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:35:33 -0500, Prairie Roots wrote: In my mind there's no question that grieving the death of your dad is a major factor in your urges to snack and your need for comfort food. Among the signs of grief, overeating and weight gain or undereating and weight loss appear high on the list. So lighten up on the stick, Fred. Life has already dealt you a strong blow... Best, Prairie Roots On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:51:08 -0700, Fred wrote: I think I can attribute some of it to comfort foods to overcome mourning. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
thats a good attitude fred keep it up i agree with u 100%. it's better to be
healthy then to look good angie "Fred" wrote in message ... I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to get my head right. Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over "looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy. I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light in any event. BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and be able to hike and ski with my friends. Fred On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find substitutes for stress or comfort eating. THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say it takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then. Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI for my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to stop really badly, and 175, and then........ You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that thinking. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
Healthy is the bottom line. One of the reasons I am where I am, is that a
lower calorie, lower fat diet is one of the protective factors people can use to avert Alzheimers disease. First hand, I can tell you, everyone talks about how hard it is on the caregiver, but the Person who has it lives in fear a great deal of the time. And sure, they don't Know what is going on in the same way that I know it is going on, but it is not a happy life, or even a comfortable life. And no way out, this side of the grave. Not to mention what weight has done to my cousin. Type 2 diabetes, such pain in her legs she cannot walk, heaving herself from her motorized wheelchair to the bathroom, to the bed. I used to think, when I was young and strong and heavy, that I would be okay, and then when it got bad I would die. Doesn't happen like that in my family. They go nuts and live a life in a strange land full of terrors, or their body goes partly whoopo, and the brain lives on in great shape to watch the suffering. No Thanks. Goal weight is very good, but the diet and exercise is insurance against a lot of things besides being an unattractive weight. "Fred" wrote in message ... I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to get my head right. Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over "looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy. I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light in any event. BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and be able to hike and ski with my friends. Fred On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find substitutes for stress or comfort eating. THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say it takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then. Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI for my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to stop really badly, and 175, and then........ You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that thinking. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
I think once the diet and exercise levels are healthy, As long as we are not
going UP, then probably the body itself will find a comfortable spot. My average weight chart is still drifting down a bit (.7) this week. It has done since I made goal, .2, .4, .2, the same, .6, .2, and this week .7. I am eating enough for good health. And enough to be satisfied, with some treats tossed in there. If I began going the other way, I would definately journal for a time. "Fred" wrote in message ... I am back to formal journaling, at least, for the moment. I can see that losing down to 155 and being able to maintain that means even a bit more exercise or even fewer snacking calories (points) and that may not really be possible. I think snacking is part of the variety and hestitate to call snacking a reward since maybe food should not be a reward but a laptop each week would be a bankrupting reward mechanishm (G) On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:46 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: Just for the heck, I am not keeping a formal journal like I was. I use my daily weights. If I am, like I am this morning 159.5, then I eat moderately of whatever I want to eat. If I see anything like 162 I eat like I did while I was Actively trying to lose, until I see 159 something again. I am thinking I will save that last 5 pounds down into the 150's for January when all the amateurs are out. "Fred" wrote in message .. . I don't know - 35 years - keeping a Journal when I'm 90 just does not seem to be i the cards (G) Actually, I guess if I look at things since I'm been on Maintenance, I'm probably doing okay without the Journal. What I call my main meals, all day, follow a general routine or rotation. Cereal and Milk, a sandwich or chicken teriaki for lunch and dinner of a potato or kasha and veggies and either a 4 ounce meat or larger fish portion. An occasional egg for breakfast. Additional food if I'm planning on a hike or bike or ski trip. The work day snacks are generally a fruit or fruits or pretzels. The home snacks are where I tend to stray. Restaurants are kept pretty standard, too, with an occasional splurge. But I am also considering dropping the weight by about 5 pounds and that might require a bit more effort. I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find substitutes for stress or comfort eating. On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:13:41 -0700, "Deb in Northern California" wrote: My leader will be at goal for 35 years this upcoming May. She still continues to journal and believes that is what keeps her on track and keeps her 110 lbs off. Debbie "Fred" wrote in message .. . UP an even 2.0 but still under WW goal but over NYNY goal. I decided to restart Journaling today. 161.4 Fred 219.2/161.4/164.0 (goal) Start WW: Oct 29, 2002 |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
Thanks.
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:58:48 GMT, "Laura" wrote: Unfortunately only time will make you feel better. It is too early for that to happen for you. Give it another 6 months before things start to get back to normal. One of my chunks of weight gain came after losing my daughter and father within 6 months of each other. Keep journaling and while you may need the comfort food now and again (its allowed and needed) you will at least be able to keep an eye on how much food you consume. Find some low point foods that comfort you. That will help keep the points down. Hang in there. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
I hope you do manage to beat both the odds and those ills. I watched
my mom with the Parkinson's and it was not a good way to fail. On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:33:45 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: Healthy is the bottom line. One of the reasons I am where I am, is that a lower calorie, lower fat diet is one of the protective factors people can use to avert Alzheimers disease. First hand, I can tell you, everyone talks about how hard it is on the caregiver, but the Person who has it lives in fear a great deal of the time. And sure, they don't Know what is going on in the same way that I know it is going on, but it is not a happy life, or even a comfortable life. And no way out, this side of the grave. Not to mention what weight has done to my cousin. Type 2 diabetes, such pain in her legs she cannot walk, heaving herself from her motorized wheelchair to the bathroom, to the bed. I used to think, when I was young and strong and heavy, that I would be okay, and then when it got bad I would die. Doesn't happen like that in my family. They go nuts and live a life in a strange land full of terrors, or their body goes partly whoopo, and the brain lives on in great shape to watch the suffering. No Thanks. Goal weight is very good, but the diet and exercise is insurance against a lot of things besides being an unattractive weight. "Fred" wrote in message .. . I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to get my head right. Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over "looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy. I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light in any event. BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and be able to hike and ski with my friends. Fred On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find substitutes for stress or comfort eating. THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say it takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then. Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI for my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to stop really badly, and 175, and then........ You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that thinking. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote: I am thinking I will save that last 5 pounds down into the 150's for January when all the amateurs are out. We have that to look forward to. Watching all the new years resolutions come and stay a few days/weeks and go again. It's very sad to see people try to lose weight and not have the right mindset so they fail, and it re-inforces their feeling that they can't lose weight. On a lighter note there will be some cheap fitness gear about, both in the supermarkets and by february in the 'for sale' ads. Ray -- rmnsuk overall - 273/203/182 swwc - 205/203/192 |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
amen
"Fred" wrote in message ... I hope you do manage to beat both the odds and those ills. I watched my mom with the Parkinson's and it was not a good way to fail. On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:33:45 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: Healthy is the bottom line. One of the reasons I am where I am, is that a lower calorie, lower fat diet is one of the protective factors people can use to avert Alzheimers disease. First hand, I can tell you, everyone talks about how hard it is on the caregiver, but the Person who has it lives in fear a great deal of the time. And sure, they don't Know what is going on in the same way that I know it is going on, but it is not a happy life, or even a comfortable life. And no way out, this side of the grave. Not to mention what weight has done to my cousin. Type 2 diabetes, such pain in her legs she cannot walk, heaving herself from her motorized wheelchair to the bathroom, to the bed. I used to think, when I was young and strong and heavy, that I would be okay, and then when it got bad I would die. Doesn't happen like that in my family. They go nuts and live a life in a strange land full of terrors, or their body goes partly whoopo, and the brain lives on in great shape to watch the suffering. No Thanks. Goal weight is very good, but the diet and exercise is insurance against a lot of things besides being an unattractive weight. "Fred" wrote in message .. . I actually do remember that. And somewhere I, also, have a doctor's note but really did not have any problems getting to the goal weight of WW and even below it by 4 or so pounds. So, yes, I just need to get my head right. Actually, at work, yesterday two folks said that I had gotten over "looking gaunt." I attribute this to some distribution but more to them getting use to the new, thinner me. And yes, looking better is nice but FEELING BETTER is even BETTER. My convertible pants arrived yesterday and they looked pretty good at the waist and I was happy. I'm not sure that they look that good otherwise - a bit utilitarian pockets and a bit long. I will have to weigh the leg portion and see if it really makes a difference. They are a thin nylon and seem light in any event. BUT I will keep a positive mindset. It is important to be healthy and be able to hike and ski with my friends. Fred On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:55:22 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: I may also learn that holding this weight may be too artificial but I really do not think that I can justify that outlook. I was able to get here without that much of a struggle (as long as my exercise routines keep me going) so attempting to convince myself that I'm starving really would not be convincing. So I just need to find substitutes for stress or comfort eating. THIS is the exact thinking that always preceded a regain for me. When I would begin to go up, my appetite would expand with it. I would suggest holding your weight for the 2 years that the weight research people say it takes to make a new weight permanent, and evaluate how you feel then. Remember how I wanted to quit before getting to goal? But I never did really stop losing while I was on program? But how my head kept saying I needed a doctors note? The problem for Me is, that is not a normal BMI for my height. So what difference is it between say, 170 where I wanted to stop really badly, and 175, and then........ You Look So Fine, you really do, in your pictures. Watch out for that thinking. |
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NYNY - Fred, Oct 8th
yeah! fitness deals
"ray miller" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:57:46 GMT, "Lesanne" wrote: I am thinking I will save that last 5 pounds down into the 150's for January when all the amateurs are out. We have that to look forward to. Watching all the new years resolutions come and stay a few days/weeks and go again. It's very sad to see people try to lose weight and not have the right mindset so they fail, and it re-inforces their feeling that they can't lose weight. On a lighter note there will be some cheap fitness gear about, both in the supermarkets and by february in the 'for sale' ads. Ray -- rmnsuk overall - 273/203/182 swwc - 205/203/192 |
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