4 Success Factors of Atkins...... restated

You can explain the Atkins diet more easily and more convincingly in
terms of four "Success Factors".....

All that is new here is just this way of saying things.

4 SUCCESS FACTORS ATKINS (and any other diet)

1) You will eat till SATISFIED, not till satiated.
..(Atkins says this about 9 times in his book)

2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.
. . .Atkins uses almost the same words

3) You will take supplimental nutrition to make sure that the dietary
restrictions do not cause deficits, and may promote weight loss or fat
burning

4) You need to follow the instructions of the diet eating plan, doing
any and all of the stages outlined. The diet plan should be sensible.
(Atkins is ONE sensible diet plan, proven to work for many, but not all,
dieters)


EAT LESS
EXERCISE MORE
TAKE VITAMINS. MINERALS
FOLLOW THE PLAN ---RTFM....Read the F------ Manual

Well said!

"jbuch" wrote in message
...
You can explain the Atkins diet more easily and more convincingly in terms
of four "Success Factors".....

In article ,
jbuch wrote:


2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.

No, it isn't. I lost 100 pounds and have maintained for three years so
far without a program. SHOULD you exercise? Yes. MUST you
exercise....not really.

--
Wayne Crannell
Sherman, TX
248/141 10/27/01

Agreed. I did not exercise during my weight loss. I only started to
exercise on a regular basis several months after reaching my goal for the
purpose of toning muscles. I do not exercise to lose more fat.

on Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:16:43 GMT, Wayne Crannell wrote:

In article ,
jbuch wrote:


2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.

No, it isn't. I lost 100 pounds and have maintained for three years so
far without a program. SHOULD you exercise? Yes. MUST you
exercise....not really.
-----
Bev

I think this is gross oversimplification and a little redundant. As I
recall from my most recent reading of the book, factors 1-3 are all
part of #4. Dr. Atkins wrote that you cannot "Do Atkins" without doing
exercise. I suspect you can lose a lot of weight without it, but you
are not truly doing Atkins.

Additionally, there has been so little research into the WOL vis-a-vis
why it really works. Is it really just as simple as calorie in/calorie
out, in which case, just making sure you use more calories than you
take in should be the primary factor, regardless of carb intake,
exercise, satiation, or supplementation. If it's a keto/fat burning
metabolism argument, then eliminating the carbs is primary (if we were
to ascribe percentages based on how much space Dr. Atkins or any other
diet guru devoted to each factor in his/her book, I'd suggest that the
carbs are the most important, even if you take out the recipes. (I
believe that it's some of both... the caloric deficit model and the
keto model).

Any rate, I think we know it works, but we have a lot to learn about
the why and how of it all.

To Harvard Business Schoolize it:
You Need:
Committment to working it
Control over your Carb Intake
No major genetic or other issues (medications, etc) that might impede
you

Additionally, you need to do any three of the following to make it
work:
Vitamins and Minerals
Increased activity
Reduced food intake
64-80 ounces of water daily

If it were as easy as counting to ten, almost anyone could do it, and
we know that's just not the case.

jbuch wrote:
You can explain the Atkins diet more easily and more convincingly in
terms of four "Success Factors".....

All that is new here is just this way of saying things.

4 SUCCESS FACTORS ATKINS (and any other diet)

1) You will eat till SATISFIED, not till satiated.
..(Atkins says this about 9 times in his book)

2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.
. . .Atkins uses almost the same words

3) You will take supplimental nutrition to make sure that the dietary
restrictions do not cause deficits, and may promote weight loss or fat
burning

4) You need to follow the instructions of the diet eating plan, doing
any and all of the stages outlined. The diet plan should be sensible.
(Atkins is ONE sensible diet plan, proven to work for many, but not all,
dieters)


EAT LESS
EXERCISE MORE
TAKE VITAMINS. MINERALS
FOLLOW THE PLAN ---RTFM....Read the F------ Manual

Wayne Crannell wrote:
jbuch wrote:

2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.

No, it isn't. I lost 100 pounds and have maintained for three years so
far without a program. SHOULD you exercise? Yes. MUST you
exercise....not really.

There is the definition issue. If you are not doing
some sort of exercise* by definition you aren't on
Atkins. Dr A made it a non-negotiable part of his
process in the books. This is like if you're doing
a fixed menu by definition you aren't on Atkins.
Atkins is something specific. If you aren't on what
it actually is just how good is it to claim you're
on Atkins?

* Do not fall into the trap that if it does not
happen in the gym it does not count as exercise.
There are plenty of non-gym exercise options.

It is true that weight loss can happen without
exercise, and that following parts of the Atkins
process other than exercise count as low carb.
There is nothing wrong with following an Atkins
inspired low carb plan, losing weight, and discussing
it on a low carb support newsgroup. I don't have
any issue with doing it, just with claiming that it
is Atkins.

Is it important to actually be on what Atkins really
is? Not really. Lots of people do great on other
plans. Is it important to make accurate claims
about what plan you're on and say so? It is important
to me. Every person who makes up random stuff and
calls it Atkins adds another point to the folks who
post complete nonsense about Atkins.

I wonder how many people are on this Atkins inspired
not-quite-Atkins process without exercise? I fall
off exercise plans, get back on exercise plans, back
and forth in phases. I'm definitely one in that
boat at times. I remain an Atkins fan throughout,
whether I'm on it and doing it right or not.

The OP did say in brackets "and any other diet" so although they do say
Atkins, they're also including every other eating plan. I've never claimed
to be on Atkins and in fact follow Protein Power Lifeplan. And they aren't
as strict about what you MUST do other than to limit your carb intake.

on 23 Aug 2005 11:13:20 -0700, "Doug Freyburger"
wrote:

Wayne Crannell wrote:
jbuch wrote:

2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.

No, it isn't. I lost 100 pounds and have maintained for three years so
far without a program. SHOULD you exercise? Yes. MUST you
exercise....not really.

There is the definition issue. If you are not doing
some sort of exercise* by definition you aren't on
Atkins. Dr A made it a non-negotiable part of his
process in the books. This is like if you're doing
a fixed menu by definition you aren't on Atkins.
Atkins is something specific. If you aren't on what
it actually is just how good is it to claim you're
on Atkins?

* Do not fall into the trap that if it does not
happen in the gym it does not count as exercise.
There are plenty of non-gym exercise options.

It is true that weight loss can happen without
exercise, and that following parts of the Atkins
process other than exercise count as low carb.
There is nothing wrong with following an Atkins
inspired low carb plan, losing weight, and discussing
it on a low carb support newsgroup. I don't have
any issue with doing it, just with claiming that it
is Atkins.

Is it important to actually be on what Atkins really
is? Not really. Lots of people do great on other
plans. Is it important to make accurate claims
about what plan you're on and say so? It is important
to me. Every person who makes up random stuff and
calls it Atkins adds another point to the folks who
post complete nonsense about Atkins.

I wonder how many people are on this Atkins inspired
not-quite-Atkins process without exercise? I fall
off exercise plans, get back on exercise plans, back
and forth in phases. I'm definitely one in that
boat at times. I remain an Atkins fan throughout,
whether I'm on it and doing it right or not.
-----
Bev

Max Hollywood Harris wrote:
I think this is gross oversimplification and a little redundant. As I
recall from my most recent reading of the book, factors 1-3 are all
part of #4. Dr. Atkins wrote that you cannot "Do Atkins" without doing
exercise. I suspect you can lose a lot of weight without it, but you
are not truly doing Atkins.

Additionally, there has been so little research into the WOL vis-a-vis
why it really works. Is it really just as simple as calorie in/calorie
out, in which case, just making sure you use more calories than you
take in should be the primary factor, regardless of carb intake,
exercise, satiation, or supplementation. If it's a keto/fat burning
metabolism argument, then eliminating the carbs is primary (if we were
to ascribe percentages based on how much space Dr. Atkins or any other
diet guru devoted to each factor in his/her book, I'd suggest that the
carbs are the most important, even if you take out the recipes. (I
believe that it's some of both... the caloric deficit model and the
keto model).

Any rate, I think we know it works, but we have a lot to learn about
the why and how of it all.

To Harvard Business Schoolize it:
You Need:
Committment to working it
Control over your Carb Intake
No major genetic or other issues (medications, etc) that might impede
you

Additionally, you need to do any three of the following to make it
work:
Vitamins and Minerals
Increased activity
Reduced food intake
64-80 ounces of water daily

If it were as easy as counting to ten, almost anyone could do it, and
we know that's just not the case.

jbuch wrote:

You can explain the Atkins diet more easily and more convincingly in
terms of four "Success Factors".....

All that is new here is just this way of saying things.

4 SUCCESS FACTORS ATKINS (and any other diet)

1) You will eat till SATISFIED, not till satiated.
..(Atkins says this about 9 times in his book)

2) You will have an exercise program. This is non-negotiable.
. . .Atkins uses almost the same words

3) You will take supplimental nutrition to make sure that the dietary
restrictions do not cause deficits, and may promote weight loss or fat
burning

4) You need to follow the instructions of the diet eating plan, doing
any and all of the stages outlined. The diet plan should be sensible.
(Atkins is ONE sensible diet plan, proven to work for many, but not all,
dieters)


EAT LESS
EXERCISE MORE
TAKE VITAMINS. MINERALS
FOLLOW THE PLAN ---RTFM....Read the F------ Manual




In practice, explaining the Atkins diet to people the "Standard" way,
beginning by talking about food types, isn't very effective.

Too many people JUST EAT FOOD, and don't really know any of the details
of the food types.

The Atkins approach specifically has all four of these elements.

If you just look at the first three:
EAT TILL SATISFIED, NOT STUFFED
EXERCISE
VITAMINS

you can say.... "Wow, I'll bet that IF I can do those things, I'll lose
weight."

And, you probably will.

Element number 1 is one of the most powerful......

There are certainly a number of health benefits from the details of LOW
CARB eating, but most listeners really won't listen to you very long if
your argument makes them think very much



In fact, it is clear that even the four element simplification makes
people here have to think too much.

Dusty Bleher immediately "got it".

Too many people are so full of this or that detail, that you can almost
never convince them of anything different than what they "Know".

JC surely has "Got It" and in his own way, has been telling the group so.