PSMF-Protein Sparing Modified Fast question!?!

I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-237659.html

couldn't help myself ... here is the controled carbohydrate approach you
are seeking

John


"Mack" wrote in message
om...
I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

Sorry. You are going to get a lecture in hopes that you will
learn something from it. But I doubt it. Your attitude
is "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with facts." We
deal only in facts here. Start an exercise program and eat
moderate amounts of a wide variety of high-fiber low fat foods.

Mack wrote:

I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

You would have to reduce your intake by 7000 calories per day to lose 2
pounds in a day. Make that 10,500 to lose 3 pounds per day. That is just out
of the realm of possibility unless you are eating 20,000 calories per day,
which is also very unlikely.

Eating so little, 600-800 calories per day is just plain NOT good for your
heart either.

Eat 10x your current weight, and safely lose 2-3 pounds per week (depending
on your current weight and how much you have to lose)

Why not make permenant sensble changes in your eating and in your exercise
habits? People who do such drastic low calorie type "diets" almost ALWAYS
gain back what they lose and more. You have to do something forever.

Melissa
140/132/125


"Mack" wrote in message
om...
I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

Patricia Heil wrote:

Sorry. You are going to get a lecture in hopes that you will
learn something from it. But I doubt it. Your attitude
is "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with facts." We
deal only in facts here. Start an exercise program and eat
moderate amounts of a wide variety of high-fiber low fat foods.

then maybe you should get your head out of your ass and read up on the
FACTS rgarding a PSMF, you stupid bitch.

Lyle


Mack wrote:

I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach?I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick(and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

On 21 Feb 2004 13:51:27 -0800, (Mack) wrote:

I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone? Do i have to make sure i get zero carbs and zero fats? or is a
little bit of fat ok? and how much? As i understand,i can only get
600-800 calories daily on this diet.Is it ok to get them from lean
meats, or do i have to do the shakes?

It sounds to me as if you are looking to do a "home version" PSMF,
since if you were actually doing Opti-Fast or any of the other
commercial programs you wouldn't be looking at options.

In the Opti-Fast program program you are given 5 packets per day
(around 750 calories, I forget the exact number) of powder (Vanilla,
Chocolate, Cherry, Orange) to be mixed with your choice of
zero-calorie drink (water, diet soda, etc.) to make "shakes". The
powder gets essentially all its protein from egg whites, and it has
nutritional supplements as well. There is essentially no fat or
carbs, so it DOES qualify as a lowcarb diet. The shakes do not supply
enough potassium, so you require a PRESCRIPTION strength Slow-K of, as
I recall, 600mg three times per day. You are also required to get a
regular blood test (every other week, as I recall) to make SURE your
potassium is in the normal range.

It's not a permanent WOE (way of eating), but there HAVE been people
who start out with a PSMF and then switch over to a lowcarb diet (such
as Atkins) when they get closer to their desired weight.

In addition to the powder/shakes, you have the option to add a sort of
chicken broth twice a day. As I recall it has 25 calories, so you had
an allowed total of 50 calories from the "soup".




I also hear that using this approach will yield about 2/3 lbs fat loss
daily.Is this correct?

That's too high to be a TYPICAL weight loss, though there may be some
people who can achieve it. More typical values would be 3/7 pound per
day for women and 4/7 pound per day for men, i.e. women tend to lose 3
pounds per week and men tend to lose 4 pounds per week.

Just like on other lowcarb diets, there is some extra water loss in
the beginning as your glycogen stores are used up, but this varies a
lot from person to person anyway.

Still, 2/3 pound (fat) means a deficit of roughly 2400 calories. =If=
you have been holding steady at 3200 calories per day (and some people
are heavy enough or exercise enough to do this), dropping to 800
calories/day could lead to that amount of weight loss.


Is excercise essential when following such a regimen? or
optional...and how much should i do?

Let's just say it is really, really helpful. Most people starting a
PSMF are quite out of shape, so the TYPICAL exercise begins at a low
level - say, a 30-minute walk once per day. Almost everyone can do
that, even at the start. As you go through the program, the amount of
exercise should increase.



Before I start this regimen,i will make an appointment with my doctor
and make sure that I be medically supervised for the entire time(blood
checkups,electrolyte checkups,etc...) to make sure everything is going
smoothly. And i also understand i will need potassium,magenesium
supplements,and also about 4-5g of salt daily+some sort of sugar-free
fiber supplement.But how long is it safe to stay on this diet for?

The typical Opti-Fast program runs for 20 weeks, but that is not the
maximum allowed.


After I get to my goal weight,is it advisable to go onto maintenace
using a low-carb diet approach? I have been on low-carb before and I
don't mind it at all,I actually didn't get annoyed or felt sick (and
please don't tell me why did i stop,I just want to try the PSMF
because it's a more aggresive fat-loss regimen).

Quite a lot will depend on your individual body chemistry. For
example, some people see a big decrease in hunger when they go on
lowcarb. Others (such as me, unfortunately) do not. If you were one
of the fortunate ones who saw a decrease in hunger, switching from a
PSMF to Akins would probably be painfree and effective. You would be
going from 800 calories of protein to slightly larger amounts of
protein with some small amounts of carbs and fats, gradually raising
it to somewhere around 1600-2000 calories total. You would not want
to rush in to suddenly eating lots of fat (which Atkins allows), but a
gradual transition.


Is there anything else I should know that I maybe have missed to
address?

Opti-Fast required a FULL physical exam prior to starting, and the
data needed to be reviewed by someone familiar with the dangers of a
PSMF before you began. They also gave you a card to carry in case you
were, say, in an accident and taken to an emergency room because your
blood chemistry and such might not be typical. Sort of like a
medic-alert bracelet to let attending physicians know why you were
atypical in some respects.

Please I don't want anyone telling me i won't learn anything using
this diet,or give me another healthier approach,etc...I just came here
to get some answers and not a lecture.I don't mean to sound mean,but
sometimes i get annoyed when posting questions then people waste your
time with something that you didn't even want to hear.Your feedback
will be greatly appreciated,thanks.

By the way,I am 5"10, 250 pounds, 25 years of age

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:00:09 GMT, "Melissa" wrote:

You would have to reduce your intake by 7000 calories per day to lose 2
pounds in a day. Make that 10,500 to lose 3 pounds per day. That is just out
of the realm of possibility unless you are eating 20,000 calories per day,
which is also very unlikely.

Eating so little, 600-800 calories per day is just plain NOT good for your
heart either.

Why is that? The heart is not picky about where it gets its calories
from. Straight fat freshly released from your blubber will make its
day.

Proton Soup

Patricia Heil wrote in message ...
Sorry. You are going to get a lecture in hopes that you will
learn something from it. But I doubt it. Your attitude
is "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with facts." We
deal only in facts here. Start an exercise program and eat
moderate amounts of a wide variety of high-fiber low fat foods.

snipped

facts? the fact is he should avoid high fat foods?

wtf?

Thanks Harold for that information.I just have a few
questions.Firstly,I checked the opti-fast website and there are no
clinics in my area or anywhere close,i live in Canada.Anyways,how
would I be able to find a doctor who I can see regarding this? What
method should i use finding one? Also,since the opti-fast shakes are
so expensive,do you know of any other alternatives that are just as
effective? What about Medifast,or HMR,I hear they are similar.

For excercise,can I do half hour cardio per day,and weight lift for
half hour like 5 times a week,or is that too much?

Thanks again Harold for all that info.Greatly appreciated.

"Mack" wrote in message
om...
I am considering the protein sparing modified fast,but before i start
I have a few questions.Firstly,do all my calories come from proteins
alone?

Um...doesn't the term 'protein-sparing' mean little to _no_ protein?