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Old August 27th, 2004, 08:31 AM
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Luna wrote:

The thread title "Hunger is a good thing" is stupid. Hunger sucks. Ask


As long it is not a growling stomach, I like it. It is very refreshing.
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Old August 27th, 2004, 08:31 AM
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Luna wrote:

The thread title "Hunger is a good thing" is stupid. Hunger sucks. Ask


As long it is not a growling stomach, I like it. It is very refreshing.
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Old August 27th, 2004, 08:50 AM
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Luna wrote:

I could just as easily have
said if aliens came down and solved our problems with superior technology,


Or the cats?

The roommate I had in California always said first thing in the morning
that the aliens were invading or the cats were taking over the world.
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Old August 27th, 2004, 08:50 AM
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Luna wrote:

I could just as easily have
said if aliens came down and solved our problems with superior technology,


Or the cats?

The roommate I had in California always said first thing in the morning
that the aliens were invading or the cats were taking over the world.
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Old September 1st, 2004, 05:27 PM
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

:: Match your mind with reality. Will you suffer some disorder if you
:: do not eat or will you simply remain uncomfortable? Is your body
:: telling you...what?


On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

Hmm....my mind tells me that at some point I will suffer some malady if I
don't eat. The question is, how do I match up my mind, body, and reality?


C'mon, Zoul, you have been studying Usenet, nutrition etc for a long time
now. You can come up with general parameters to work from and specific
parameters if you tried.

Generally, if you don't eat for a month, that would be "bad". Work back
from there.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

Why does a body generate hunger signals if there is no need to eat?


Why do we get horny when we have no need to procreate? Why? The body is an
imperfect mechanism; why would you suspect it not to be?

:: This is a perfect example of what I mean when I say your body will
:: lie to you. If hunger = physiological requirement to eat, the your
:: body is lying to you, Roger.


On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

So how does one determine when and how much to eat, if hunger does mean eat?


Think about this. A month of no food = not good. Ok, what about two weeks?
Not good. One week? Well, debatable. So we have this down to 7 days.

How much did you eat before fasting? A ton? A little? Factor that in. You
count cals, carbs. Add them up. What do you believe you must have to
sustain a healthy life. As much as you had to intake during weight
maintenance? If so, why fast? You had a number.

But now you are challenging that number, aren't you. So take up the
challenge.

Divide your weight maintenance numbers in half. Will you die? Suffer a
malady? Of course not in any short term. So do it. See what happens. Learn
from it.

will you, in your present stat of solid mental health, allow yourself to go
so far that it will undo you? Little chance. You have food all around you.
Here is where your body may not lie to you; preservation instincts. you
will eat when it is necessary to survive but I doubt you will get that far.

:: Are you in ketosis?


On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

Don't know, don't care.


Ought to. Much of low carb can be about ketosis and exercise in the ketonic
state is a learning curve in and of itself.
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Old September 1st, 2004, 06:07 PM
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MU wrote:
:: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::::: Match your mind with reality. Will you suffer some disorder if you
::::: do not eat or will you simply remain uncomfortable? Is your body
::::: telling you...what?
::
:: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: Hmm....my mind tells me that at some point I will suffer some
::: malady if I don't eat. The question is, how do I match up my mind,
::: body, and reality?
::
:: C'mon, Zoul, you have been studying Usenet, nutrition etc for a long
:: time now. You can come up with general parameters to work from and
:: specific parameters if you tried.
::
:: Generally, if you don't eat for a month, that would be "bad". Work
:: back from there.
::
:: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: Why does a body generate hunger signals if there is no need to eat?
::
:: Why do we get horny when we have no need to procreate? Why? The body
:: is an imperfect mechanism; why would you suspect it not to be?

Perhaps there is a need for sex without procreation!

::
::::: This is a perfect example of what I mean when I say your body will
::::: lie to you. If hunger = physiological requirement to eat, the your
::::: body is lying to you, Roger.
::
:: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: So how does one determine when and how much to eat, if hunger does
::: mean eat?
::
:: Think about this. A month of no food = not good.

Why? Really Obese people can go a year without eating.

:: Ok, what about two
:: weeks? Not good.

Why?

:: One week? Well, debatable. So we have this down to
:: 7 days.

Why? What if one person thinks this is no problem while another finds it
very difficult?

:: How much did you eat before fasting? A ton? A little? Factor that
:: in. You count cals, carbs. Add them up. What do you believe you must
:: have to sustain a healthy life. As much as you had to intake during
:: weight maintenance? If so, why fast? You had a number.
::
:: But now you are challenging that number, aren't you. So take up the
:: challenge.
::
:: Divide your weight maintenance numbers in half. Will you die? Suffer
:: a malady? Of course not in any short term. So do it. See what
:: happens. Learn from it.
::
:: will you, in your present stat of solid mental health, allow
:: yourself to go so far that it will undo you? Little chance. You have
:: food all around you. Here is where your body may not lie to you;
:: preservation instincts. you will eat when it is necessary to survive
:: but I doubt you will get that far.

No ****. Still, there are issues that are hard to put in place. How, far
does one go before worry about muscle loss. What if the fasting triggers
more eating -- it might be counterproductive.

::
::::: Are you in ketosis?
::
:: On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:
::
::: Don't know, don't care.
::
:: Ought to. Much of low carb can be about ketosis and exercise in the
:: ketonic state is a learning curve in and of itself.

there is not much reason to concern oneself with that, imo. if I'm been
LCing all week and I know I'm going to ride 65 miles on Saturday, then I
know I'm low on glycogen and I won't be able to push very hard on the bike.
So I get some carbs. of course, I can tell my state of glycogen storage
quite easily by looking and daily weight changes.


 




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