My Progress

Julie Bove wrote:
"Tiger Lily" wrote in message
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day
being called a ``starvation diet''.

Only a pig could possibly think that.
guess andie has changed his 'story' once again

he used to include all fluid intake in his 2lb diet

personally, i enjoy lots of 'free veggies' and foods that don't spike my
bg levels

I collect old books, particularly those on cooking, food, diets, heallth,
etc. I have one for pregnant women from the 1940's and in it, they restrict
liquids. I guess in those days they thought the liquid you consume had an
effect on weight. Sad.


the first pregnancy is typically hard on a woman's kidney's

did they specifically say 'weight gain'?

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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On 2009-05-12, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
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Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day
being called a ``starvation diet''.

Depends on two pounds of what. Two pounds of lard a day is not a
starvation diet, but two pounds of low-calorie foods a day easily could
be.

And two pounds of sugar or starch a day is definitely not good for a
diabetic.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote:
[snip]

Water is one of the reasons there are articles like "Why the
Scale Lies". The scale measures lost fat indirectly and it's
quite inaccurate at it. The scale just happens to be a very
easy tool to use, so it gets widely overused.

Doug

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My reply...for some reason this didn't come out with the 's on it.

True, but it just doesn't seem healthy to restrict fluids for a pregnant
woman! Then again in those days they didn't want the pregnant women to
gain weight.

I don't know if they used speed in those days but they did when I was
born. My mom didn't take it with me, but she did with my brother. He is
younger than I am and they felt she gained too much weight with me. I
think she gained 10 or 12 pounds. The Dr. prescribed it.
Julie
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One possibility: I noticed that both Doug's message and your reply use
the quoted-printable coding. The Windows Mail email/newsreader program
I use is known to often have problems quoting posts in quoted-printable
coding correctly; it tends to leave out the extra characters. Since the
Outlook Express you use is also from Microsoft, and is older, I wouldn't
be susprised if it has that problem also.

Robert Miles

"Tiger Lily" wrote in message
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Julie Bove wrote:
"Tiger Lily" wrote in message
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day
being called a ``starvation diet''.

Only a pig could possibly think that.
guess andie has changed his 'story' once again

he used to include all fluid intake in his 2lb diet

personally, i enjoy lots of 'free veggies' and foods that don't spike my
bg levels

I collect old books, particularly those on cooking, food, diets, heallth,
etc. I have one for pregnant women from the 1940's and in it, they
restrict liquids. I guess in those days they thought the liquid you
consume had an effect on weight. Sad.
the first pregnancy is typically hard on a woman's kidney's

did they specifically say 'weight gain'?

The book didn't say, but my parents have told me that in those days,
pregnant women were discouraged from gaining.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:49:19 -0500, Robert Miles wrote:

"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
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On 2009-05-12, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
[snip]

Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day
being called a ``starvation diet''.

Depends on two pounds of what. Two pounds of lard a day is not a
starvation diet, but two pounds of low-calorie foods a day easily could
be.

Incorrect. Explain how you could climb Mt. Everest on 2PD then?
--
http://tinyurl.com/5gt7

MU wrote:
Robert Miles wrote:
Kaz Kylheku wrote:


Indeed, I have seen in these newsgroups, two pounds of food per day
being called a ``starvation diet''.

Depends on two pounds of what. Two pounds of lard a day is not a
starvation diet, but two pounds of low-calorie foods a day easily could
be.

Incorrect. Explain how you could climb Mt. Everest on 2PD then?

Or explain the following YouTube video of someone who has been keeping
at 32 ounces a day for 12 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc

Love in the truth,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com

Only GOD can cut the "hunger is starvation" delusion from our hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

Kaz Kylheku wrote:
MU wrote:

Uh, correct. It does. All except water. Do you think you **** out
everything liquid?

Surely there is an exception for near-waters, like tea. I don't have
to weigh my hatomugi cha, do I? Even black coffee need not be weighed, IMHO,
but any milk going into it should be.

Correct.

Liquids with significant macro-nutritional content should be weighed
and added to the running total of ounces being consumed for the day.

On comment about drinking fluids is that there is wisdom in drinking
only to thirst.

If one is truly thirsty, there is nothing more desirable than clear
cold water.

Fluids that contain calories, like juices and milk, are the enemies of good
eating. They are rapidly absorbed without triggering all of the satiety
signals. Ideally, everything that contains calories should be a bulky solid
that can push against your stomach walls. Fluid calories have precisely two
uses: feeding infants and the sick.

Weighing these fluids will discourage their inclusion. If you have only 907
grams to work with, you will think twice before putting a 300g sugary drink on
the scale. Better drink 300g of tea or water, and save the 300g for real food.
Also, fluids are awkward to weigh because they have to be contained, and
you must subtract the mass of the containers.

Thus, in two ways, this 2PD discourages the bat habit of quaffing your
calories, which is a nice point in favor of this approach.

Personally been using the 2PD-OMER Approach for 12 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc

The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-)

Love in the truth,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
http://T3WiJ.com

On May 14, 2:43*am, "Andrew B. Chung" wrote:
Or explain the following YouTube video of someone who has been keeping
at 32 ounces a day for 12 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc

You doing pushups on your back porch is hardly the equivalent of a
conditioned athlete climbing Mt. Everest.

Would suggest you contact your psychiatrist regarding your cognitive
dissonance.

Truth:

The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice


All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.

Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which does not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.

God bless.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
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The healthiest people are truly the hungriest people :-)


Then why are they dying of disease and suffering nutritional deficiencies
that weaken the immune system?