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  #21  
Old November 13th, 2007, 09:45 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cheri
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FOB wrote in message ...

are obviously still stuck in the low fat/high carb syndrome as is the
American Diabetes Association. Fat does not raise BG, carbs do.

Avoid
their badvice.



Ditto that.

Cheri



  #22  
Old November 14th, 2007, 12:07 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Jackie Patti
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Ophelia wrote:

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-...erds_Pie/?nt=1


I'm relatively sure the UK organization is pretty much as lame as the
ADA. We have some UK folks on the diabetic newsgroup I frequent and
they don't seem to think very highly of it.

As for the ADA... well, I quit following them years ago, long before
they were on the web. When they finally admitted starch was
biochemically the same as sugar, and the conclusion they reached was
that it was therefore OK for diabetics to eat sugar - I lost all
interest in them then.

The link I gave you about testing is what works. No one has to take my
word for it, or the ADA's, or the UK organizaiton, or anyone else. You
eat some food, you test your bg, and you decide based on the results
what foods are best to eat.

In most cases, it just ends up being a typical low-carb diet, though
some people have unusually low or high reactions to certain foods and
can therefore "allow" some things others can't or must "disallow" some
foods others are fine with.

Beats the heck out of a generic GI scale, an average measured on a bunch
of strangers - or generic guidelines that work for some diabetics, but
not necessarily you.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/
  #23  
Old November 14th, 2007, 12:18 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Jim
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Aaron Baugher wrote:
"Ophelia" writes:


I don't have a clue what my bg is. Ought I to know, or would know if
there was a problem?



I think it's a very useful thing to know. If you're overweight, there's
a good chance that your blood sugar isn't well controlled. If your BG
doesn't come back to normal within two hours after eating, that means
either A) your pancreas isn't producing as much insulin as it should, or
B) it's producing insulin like crazy, but you're insulin resistant
enough that all that insulin isn't able to convince your cells to pull
the glucose out of your blood. The latter may eventually wear your
pancreas out to the point of Type II diabetes.

A doctor can do a fasting BG test, but for $50-$100 in equipment and
strips you can test yourself multiple times: fasting, when waking up,
one hour and two hours after meals, after exercise, etc. That'll give
you a much better picture of how your body handled glucose than a single
test will. You can also test after foods like sugar alcohols, which
seem to cause a BG spike in some people and not others, to see how they
affect you.



Someone here said that the best deal on a blood sugar tester is to get
the Sams Club meter and their test strips.

I went into my local Sams CLub and the pharmacy guy agreed and said that
the prices were as much as 50% below the competitors.

There are many "free" offers for meters, but they stick you in the end
for all of the higher cost test strips.

I haven't bought one yet. But, I might soon.

This advice is assuming you have access to a Sams Club.
  #24  
Old November 14th, 2007, 12:43 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Brigid Nelson
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Cheri wrote:
FOB wrote in message ...

are obviously still stuck in the low fat/high carb syndrome as is the
American Diabetes Association. Fat does not raise BG, carbs do.

Avoid
their badvice.



Ditto that.


I had an interesting conversation yesterday with my daughter's renal
dietitian. I was silly enough to ask her about how many people who grow
up on a renal diet (low protein, low potassium, high white bread/pasta,
high fat) end up with type II diabetes. Of course she went right into
the number of diabetes patients whose kidneys eventually fail. I told
her I understood how that worked but I wanted to know about how you
could avoid becoming diabetic when your whole diet consisted of sugar
with a little fat.

Stupid me, sugar doesn't cause diabetes, being fat causes it. Don't
forget what we all know, you can get fat eating protein and fat too!
Why did I bother?

It's so freaking frustrating, I can only get the kind of data I want
from these people and they don't have it because they already know how
it works. I wouldn't even have talked to her in the first place, except
my daughter (17) has decided to become a vegetarian so she needed to
check in with the dietitian - mostly to be sure she wasn't going to have
problems with high levels of potassium from combining beans and grains.
You know what though? Apparently someone has done some study that
shows that combining for proteins isn't really necessary, so throw away
your copy of Laurel's Kitchen!

We're supposed to read this:
http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore...kid~23215.aspx
I. Can't. Wait. I suppose I could read it concurrently with Taubes.

Sometimes I get the feeling that many medical professionals took their
chemistry just so they could continue their studies, not to enhance
their understanding of those studies. How else can doctors in general
recommend a way of eating that negates everything they learned about
endocrinology and basic organic chemistry?

bitter,
brigid
  #25  
Old November 14th, 2007, 12:54 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cheri
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Jim wrote in message ...
Aaron Baugher wrote:
"Ophelia" writes:


I don't have a clue what my bg is. Ought I to know, or would know

if
there was a problem?



I think it's a very useful thing to know. If you're overweight,

there's
a good chance that your blood sugar isn't well controlled. If your

BG
doesn't come back to normal within two hours after eating, that

means
either A) your pancreas isn't producing as much insulin as it

should, or
B) it's producing insulin like crazy, but you're insulin resistant
enough that all that insulin isn't able to convince your cells to

pull
the glucose out of your blood. The latter may eventually wear your
pancreas out to the point of Type II diabetes.

A doctor can do a fasting BG test, but for $50-$100 in equipment

and
strips you can test yourself multiple times: fasting, when waking

up,
one hour and two hours after meals, after exercise, etc. That'll

give
you a much better picture of how your body handled glucose than a

single
test will. You can also test after foods like sugar alcohols,

which
seem to cause a BG spike in some people and not others, to see how

they
affect you.



Someone here said that the best deal on a blood sugar tester is to

get
the Sams Club meter and their test strips.

I went into my local Sams CLub and the pharmacy guy agreed and said

that
the prices were as much as 50% below the competitors.

There are many "free" offers for meters, but they stick you in the

end
for all of the higher cost test strips.

I haven't bought one yet. But, I might soon.

This advice is assuming you have access to a Sams Club.


The Reli-On meters are usually 9.99 at Wal-Mart too, and the strips
are around 44.00 for 100, which makes them less than half the price of
some meter strips. Rip off is right. Also, Walgreen's has a decent
meter for around the same price, a bit higher, it's called the
Tru-Track.

Cheri


  #26  
Old November 14th, 2007, 03:21 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
FOB
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RiteAid (drugstore.com on line) has a BG meter for $14.99 and the strips are
100 for $49.99, this is the same price as the Walmart/Sam's Club stuff. I
believe Walgreen's has a similar deal. Drugstore.com ships free over $49.

Jim wrote:
|
|
| Someone here said that the best deal on a blood sugar tester is to get
| the Sams Club meter and their test strips.
|
| I went into my local Sams CLub and the pharmacy guy agreed and said
| that the prices were as much as 50% below the competitors.
|
| There are many "free" offers for meters, but they stick you in the end
| for all of the higher cost test strips.
|
| I haven't bought one yet. But, I might soon.
|
| This advice is assuming you have access to a Sams Club.


  #27  
Old November 14th, 2007, 08:55 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Ophelia[_2_]
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Jackie Patti wrote:
Ophelia wrote:

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-...erds_Pie/?nt=1


I'm relatively sure the UK organization is pretty much as lame as the
ADA. We have some UK folks on the diabetic newsgroup I frequent and
they don't seem to think very highly of it.

As for the ADA... well, I quit following them years ago, long before
they were on the web. When they finally admitted starch was
biochemically the same as sugar, and the conclusion they reached was
that it was therefore OK for diabetics to eat sugar - I lost all
interest in them then.

The link I gave you about testing is what works. No one has to take
my word for it, or the ADA's, or the UK organizaiton, or anyone else.
You eat some food, you test your bg, and you decide based on the
results what foods are best to eat.

In most cases, it just ends up being a typical low-carb diet, though
some people have unusually low or high reactions to certain foods and
can therefore "allow" some things others can't or must "disallow" some
foods others are fine with.

Beats the heck out of a generic GI scale, an average measured on a
bunch of strangers - or generic guidelines that work for some
diabetics, but not necessarily you.


Thanks)


  #28  
Old November 14th, 2007, 09:01 AM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Ophelia[_2_]
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Jim wrote:
Aaron Baugher wrote:
"Ophelia" writes:


I don't have a clue what my bg is. Ought I to know, or would know
if there was a problem?



I think it's a very useful thing to know. If you're overweight,
there's a good chance that your blood sugar isn't well controlled. If
your BG doesn't come back to normal within two hours after
eating, that means either A) your pancreas isn't producing as much
insulin as it should, or B) it's producing insulin like crazy, but
you're insulin resistant enough that all that insulin isn't able to
convince your cells to pull the glucose out of your blood. The
latter may eventually wear your pancreas out to the point of Type II
diabetes. A doctor can do a fasting BG test, but for $50-$100 in
equipment and
strips you can test yourself multiple times: fasting, when waking up,
one hour and two hours after meals, after exercise, etc. That'll
give you a much better picture of how your body handled glucose than
a single test will. You can also test after foods like sugar
alcohols, which seem to cause a BG spike in some people and not
others, to see how they affect you.



Someone here said that the best deal on a blood sugar tester is to get
the Sams Club meter and their test strips.

I went into my local Sams CLub and the pharmacy guy agreed and said
that the prices were as much as 50% below the competitors.

There are many "free" offers for meters, but they stick you in the end
for all of the higher cost test strips.

I haven't bought one yet. But, I might soon.

This advice is assuming you have access to a Sams Club.


Was that meant for me Jim? If so, I am in UK



  #29  
Old November 14th, 2007, 12:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Jim
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Ophelia wrote:
Jim wrote:

Aaron Baugher wrote:

"Ophelia" writes:



I don't have a clue what my bg is. Ought I to know, or would know
if there was a problem?


I think it's a very useful thing to know. If you're overweight,
there's a good chance that your blood sugar isn't well controlled. If
your BG doesn't come back to normal within two hours after
eating, that means either A) your pancreas isn't producing as much
insulin as it should, or B) it's producing insulin like crazy, but
you're insulin resistant enough that all that insulin isn't able to
convince your cells to pull the glucose out of your blood. The
latter may eventually wear your pancreas out to the point of Type II
diabetes. A doctor can do a fasting BG test, but for $50-$100 in
equipment and
strips you can test yourself multiple times: fasting, when waking up,
one hour and two hours after meals, after exercise, etc. That'll
give you a much better picture of how your body handled glucose than
a single test will. You can also test after foods like sugar
alcohols, which seem to cause a BG spike in some people and not
others, to see how they affect you.



Someone here said that the best deal on a blood sugar tester is to get
the Sams Club meter and their test strips.

I went into my local Sams CLub and the pharmacy guy agreed and said
that the prices were as much as 50% below the competitors.

There are many "free" offers for meters, but they stick you in the end
for all of the higher cost test strips.

I haven't bought one yet. But, I might soon.

This advice is assuming you have access to a Sams Club.



Was that meant for me Jim? If so, I am in UK




Yes, you had mentioned being in the UK before where not everything is
the same as the USA, even though we both misspeak the English language.
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Old November 14th, 2007, 12:46 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Ophelia[_2_]
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Jim wrote:
Yes, you had mentioned being in the UK before where not everything is
the same as the USA, even though we both misspeak the English
language.


LOL ain't that the truth))


 




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