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  #181  
Old October 17th, 2003, 03:22 PM
Bob Pastorio
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Icrazyhorsei wrote:

The "image" in the bible is translated from a word that more closely
approximates "soul" than anything like a physical or intellectual
representation. The vital force rather than any activity or capacity.



Hmmm.

Got an explanatory link for this, Pastorio? No challenge, I was just thinking
about it recently.


I couldn't find an interlinear or parallel translation online. These
circle the subject and make the point.

http://custance.org/Library/Volume7/Part_VI/Man.html
http://tinyurl.com/raer
http://users.panola.com/aubrey/Genesis/gen07.htm

Image is translated from a word with a root in the concept of shadow.
Likeness denotes resemblance. Given the incorporeality of god, they
must refer to characteristics other than the physical.

Some theologians have split these hairs rather finely and talk about
image as the inherent godlike properties we were created with and
likeness what became available with salvation. Too argumentative and
too fussy and too interpretive.

Like 3-dimensional beings trying to understand a 4-dimensional
tesseract. http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/WireFrame4/tesseract.html


I understand it! It's a wrinkle in time!
c
Friends of Madeline L'engle


Exactly.

Pastorio


  #182  
Old October 20th, 2003, 12:16 AM
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marengo wrote:

"Bob Pastorio" wrote in message
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Anthropomorphism is attributing human characteristics to non-humans.
It is utterly central to religions. If god couldn't hear and see
people, there would be no point in the existence. If god didn't
exhibit human characteristics like mercy and compassion, there's no
point to the belief.


Actually, man has an inherently evil (sinful) nature according to the
Christian Bible. The characteristics of mercy and compassion are God's, and
only imitated by man because of His grace-- not visa-versa.

If one is to literally believe the Bible, then Man was created in God's
image. So God exhibiting human characteristics is not anthropormorphism;
exactly the oposite. It is Man who is attributed God's characteristics!
Theopomorphism?

OTOH, does God really laugh, weep, speak, anger, love, etc.? Or are these
descriptions of His emotions and reactions only put in those terms so that
we mere humans might comprehend a purely spiritual being in the limited
context of our fleshly, sensual experience? This would be true
anthropormorphism, but would also be extreme metaphor and shoot the hell out
of the concept that the Bible is the *literal* Word of God. Interesting
paradox.

Peter
website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo


Well since we're OFF subject..let us go by "EXPERIENCE" where GOD is
concerned.
Having MET and SEEN GOD in a cogent moment of trouble...I feel that I can
and WILL
speak from experience. GOD ( both male and female) appears from time to
time to those
HE/SHE apparently deems worth the trouble. I feel VERY HUMBLED as do a
few others I've met
including females who've been spoke to IN PERSON by the "GODDESS" who takes
care of the
feminine gender. (this is NO LIE)

I was about to have a pair of HIT men from St Louis come my way in about
two weeks and I and ANOTHER PSYCHIC LADY WHO NAMED THEM, DESCRIBES THEM,
TOLD ME WHEN AND WHERE THEY WOULD LAND AND WHAT KIND OF AIRCRAFT
THEY WERE FLYING. I phoned my friends in the FBI and asked for a FAVOR
which they
granted, I then found the Airport where thes two thugs landed in an MU-2
Mistubishi trubo-jet with
which I was very familair. I also was given a telephone number that was
being watched by the local
Police..thereby killing TWO birds with one stone..I had re-painted my
pickup truck...taken off the
camper and replaced it with a saddle and also mae a silencer for my high
powered rifle.

I stayed under their noses for the 7 days they were here and watched their
every move. When they left
(at the exact time predicted) they were waylayed by the FBI for about 6
hrs before they were allowed to leave,
The PAIR of individuals that has HIRED them were BOTH killed in an AUTO
accident about 30 days later.,
at the junction of hwy 32 and 614. Another very CHRISTIAN lady I knew
was painting a sign on a special
ROCK she had claimed as her own and told me what she had witnessed.. I
later saw the account in the local News. NOW..is GOD acting in
favour of someone?? I pray so. "VENGEANCE IS MINE" SAYETH THE LORD!!!
This incident along with the PERSONAL visit Dec 28th 1998 that set the
stage for me, made me an even GREATER
Believer in HIS Omnipotence. TO say the least.I feel HIS protection!!
B-0b1




  #183  
Old October 20th, 2003, 12:34 AM
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marengo wrote:

"Bob Pastorio" wrote in message
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We behave just like all other predators with the solitary exception of
having the tool-using capacity well-developed. .


Not true at all, and you don't really believe it etither .

The main distinguishing haractersitic hat separates man from other animals
is *self-awareness! combined with intelligence to be able to control and
modify those instinctive animal behaviors. No other "predators" share this
characteristic.

Would you rather sit in, say, a Doctor's waiting room for a half hour alone
with 5 lions or five people? -- Answer this honestly, and you'll find you
really *don't* believe what you said!
--
Peter
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I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY
make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1

  #184  
Old October 20th, 2003, 12:53 AM
B-Ob1
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Bob Pastorio wrote:

marengo wrote:

"Bob Pastorio" wrote in message
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Anthropomorphism is attributing human characteristics to non-humans.
It is utterly central to religions. If god couldn't hear and see
people, there would be no point in the existence. If god didn't
exhibit human characteristics like mercy and compassion, there's no
point to the belief.


Actually, man has an inherently evil (sinful) nature according to the
Christian Bible. The characteristics of mercy and compassion are God's, and
only imitated by man because of His grace-- not visa-versa.

If one is to literally believe the Bible, then Man was created in God's
image.


The "image" in the bible is translated from a word that more closely
approximates "soul" than anything like a physical or intellectual
representation. The vital force rather than any activity or capacity.

So God exhibiting human characteristics is not anthropormorphism;
exactly the oposite. It is Man who is attributed God's characteristics!
Theopomorphism?


I mildly disagree. The names for the characteristics and the
definitions are human work. There's no requirement for god to behave
in any fashion. That humans are able to demonstrate any of them might
as well be attributed to a combination of free will (and the
subsequent understanding of vested self-interest) and punishment for
exercising that same free will in "unacceptable" fashion. There's a
paradox.

OTOH, does God really laugh, weep, speak, anger, love, etc.? Or are these
descriptions of His emotions and reactions only put in those terms so that
we mere humans might comprehend a purely spiritual being in the limited
context of our fleshly, sensual experience? This would be true
anthropormorphism, but would also be extreme metaphor and shoot the hell out
of the concept that the Bible is the *literal* Word of God. Interesting
paradox.


Indeed. And the paradoxes pile atop each other. To describe this
ostensibly omnipotent, incorporeal force in human terms is a final
sort of paradox. To be and not be at the same time.

Like 3-dimensional beings trying to understand a 4-dimensional
tesseract. http://pw1.netcom.com/~hjsmith/WireFrame4/tesseract.html

Pastorio


Let us examine the premise above, GOD ( Greatest Of Dieties= plural)
The GOD we know is head HONCHO in the 7th dimensions above those
of the 6th Dimension we call: HEAVEN. It in itself has many
levels...including
the central level known as the LIBRARY or the AKASHA. The AKASHIC RECORDS
enumerate both past and future and this LEVEl is over-seen by AZRIEL..the
source
of the "burning Bush" seen by MOSES. If one is Psychic enough, this level is
OPEN
and the informaton there-in is available..including past ,present, and
Future. ALL one has
to do is ASK and the info IS available! ANYONE can be a "psychic" if he or
she desires.
Azriel is there to ANSWER all questons put to HIM! St Peter is also
available to answer
ANY querry put to him via "automatic writing or other "scrying"
techniques,) B-0b1

  #185  
Old October 20th, 2003, 01:17 AM
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"B-Ob1" wrote

I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet

THEY
make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1

The deepness of your philosophical thought processes are impressive.
But I have enough .sigs, so thanks, anyway.

David
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"They are suffering from osteo porosis because their Kreb's Cycle is
shot...any questions??"---Dr Ob1 aka B-Ob1


  #186  
Old October 20th, 2003, 01:28 AM
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Steve wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:17:38 -0400, marengo wrote
(in message ):

"Bob Pastorio" wrote in message
...

We behave just like all other predators with the solitary exception of
having the tool-using capacity well-developed. .


Not true at all, and you don't really believe it etither .

The main distinguishing haractersitic hat separates man from other animals
is *self-awareness!


Some other animals have been shown to be self-aware and there is no
a-priori reason to assume that all others are not.

combined with intelligence to be able to control and
modify those instinctive animal behaviors.


Intelligence and control are two completely distinct faculties. If
they were the same there would be no fat smart people, among other
things.

Would you rather sit in, say, a Doctor's waiting room for a half hour alone
with 5 lions or five people?


Depends on the people and the lions :-) But all kidding aside, from
the lions' point of view, eating the person would probably be the
intelligent choice so I fail to see how that demonstraes your premise.

Steve


THE primary difference betwen high order animals and low order Hu-mans is:
that THEY, the animals ,produce their OWN Vitmin C and WE, the supposed
superior
"animal" do NOT!!! therefore they are naturally healthier than we while we
suffer
from our OWN ignorance..they live happily in the BLISS of eating anything
that GOD
made for them! WE have CHOICE of Health or sickness and are too damned
ignorant
to tell the difference. B-0b1

  #187  
Old October 20th, 2003, 07:22 PM
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In article , B-Ob1 wrote:

I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY
make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1


I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig.

Seth
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Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.

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Old October 21st, 2003, 11:56 AM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:58:42 GMT, DZ posted:

Seth Breidbart wrote:
In article , B-Ob1 wrote:

I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY
make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1


I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig.


also bats and salmon


Thanks. I knew there were others, but not which ones.
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Old October 21st, 2003, 12:22 PM
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"Moosh!" wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:58:42 GMT, DZ posted:

Seth Breidbart wrote:
In article , B-Ob1 wrote:

I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY
make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1

I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig.


also bats and salmon


Thanks. I knew there were others, but not which ones.


The other apes can't synthesize vitamin C either, but since they consume
grams of it a day, that's never a problem for them.

MattLB
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Old October 23rd, 2003, 11:19 AM
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:22:37 +0100, MattLB
posted:

"Moosh!" wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:58:42 GMT, DZ posted:

Seth Breidbart wrote:
In article , B-Ob1 wrote:

I disagree...the MAIN difference between MAN and animal is thet THEY
make their OWN Vitamin "C"...we do NOT!! B-0b1

I'd expect that sort of "reasoning" from a guinea pig.

also bats and salmon


Thanks. I knew there were others, but not which ones.


The other apes can't synthesize vitamin C either, but since they consume
grams of it a day, that's never a problem for them.


Thanks Matt. I guessed they would not make their own ascorbic acid.
If you are never ever short of it, you won't likely evolve to make it,
unless by accident.
 




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