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"Food for Fuel" vs. "Food is LOVE & Food is FUN"
Try eating whole unprocessed foods. Eat a can of tuna,
as is, and I bet by the end you won't be hungry for more. Eat whole fruits. Eat an entire box of frozen spinach microwaved, bet you won't want more afterwards. Are you trying to eat for nutrition or make yourself hate food? It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that food is a bad thing and should not be eaten. Warning: Descriptions of Tasty Foods ahead. Most of us are here to lose weight, I would hate to be responsible for giving anyone unwanted food cravings. Make yourself hate food? No. Make yourself not crave unhealthy bad foods, perhaps. I've spent years trying to undo my European upbringing where high-quality well-prepared good food paired with beautiful wine is seen as one of the most celebrated and life-giving and cherished joys in one's daily life. Instead I've tried to get my head into the American athletic view of "food is merely fuel." And as fuel, you eat only the cleanest foods possible in the lowest amounts possible and only when you work out. These people tend to be thin and trim. The other side of the fence are chefs and foodies and wine connoisseurs where food and eating is rejoiced for its own sake. Food is entertainment, food is joy, and food is used to celebrate one's quality of life. Renown local chef Jasper White even proclaims "Food is LOVE" in large banners across his area seafood restaurants. These people tend to be large and overweight (in America). I have never liked American fast food or trans-fatty junk snack foods. Those bad fats and bad oils leave such a pasty Crisco slimy taste in my mouth. For fun the other day I tried a Twinkie from a coworker. It left such a hydrogenated pasty "bad fat" sensation in my mouth that I had to spit it out (the way one does at public wine tastings). There was no way I was putting something so toxic into my body and arteries. Don't bite it and chomp it and swallow it in one fast nonstop fluid motion (the way most people tend to eat fast food), but let the chewed Twinkie with its bad fats stay there in your mouth for a moment or two, we're only talking a second or two. You'll right away pick up on the bad fat sensations fouling your mouth (imagine what it's doing to your arteries), and likely won't want it in your system or want to crave another Twinkie in the near future again. No, the main dilemma is those delightful well-prepared tasty European foods that happen to be calorie-dense. I used to cook a lot of celebratory meals for my extended family. To take one example, I make a delicious mussels dish in a delectable cream sauce with shallots and a hint of tarragon that was just heavenly. The mussel flavor in the cream sauce was outstanding. Such a joy. On the side were cheddar cheese pop-over style biscuits. No one ever wanted to leave a single drop of that delicious sauce left over in their chowder bowls. They would request serving after serving of more pop-overs four at a time (delicious in their own right) to sop up all that delectable flavor-melded sauce with. It was all "real" food, nothing artificial. And yet, the only really nutritious part of that meal was the mussels themselves. The cream sauce and pop-overs added nothing of nutritional value other than a deceptively evil way to fool your diners into eating a week's worth of fat and calories in one sitting without ever even realizing it. I eventually had to stop cooking these meals because I could see my family getting fatter and started feeling incredibly guilty for being the one to have made such malevolent TASTY dishes that deceived them and hurt their health. So is a plate of bare steamed mussels a MUCH more nutritious dish? Sure. Is it FAR less tasty than the French dish? Sure, you bet. I still do get cravings for such a delightful dish every so often - almost picturing the mussel and shallots playing together in that delightful cream sauce. But then I also remember how bad all that fat would make my stomach feel later that night, how pained and sick it would leave me feeling during the 8 mile run the next morning. Instead I focus on the physique and health losses if I do partake in such short-lived 'fun'. Why sabotage yourself by always trying to make food the most tasty it can be? This invariably means taking a normally healthy nutritious item and then ruining it (nutritionally) by adding lots of taste-making fats and sugars to it. It works for all foods, even non-haute-cuisine diner foods. The can of tuna alone is very filling and very satisfying and very appetite satiating. (And I now find tasty enough by itself to me, once I converted from a "fat taste" palette to a "clean taste" palette). Once you go for the "let's make it irresistibly tasty" style of cooking for that tuna, by adding mayo to it and then also onions in combination to make that mayo-tuna-onion taste pairing enticing, putting that fatty mixture onto a buttered and toasted sub roll, amended with many tasty looking slices of American cheese on top - sure, yummy, tasty, but now it's six times the calories and completely unsatiating. I would feel "hungry" (ie, entertainment hungry) enough after finishing both sub halves that I'd WANT (not grant myself but DESIRE) another three or four of those incredible TASTY treats. Ironically, I would end up feeling completely deprived for having had one of these "taste treats", versus feeling full and nourished and happy with my simple can of tuna. Works the same for broccoli covered in cheese sauce, cauliflower covered in yummy butter crumb topping, roasted root vegetables covered in olive oil and baked to result in a yummy salty-fatty caramelized crust around those naturally sweet roasted veggies. Etc, etc. The healthy nutritious heart of the dish is ruined by the "tasty" high-fat and high-carb components. Eat the low-fat low-carb whole foods and you can eat enormous volumes of food (more than I could ever stomach in fact). But the critical point is - it will satiate you, where you won't need or especially WANT another second or third helping (even though on such low calorie density you easily could). Eat incredibly tasty foods, and you have to endure the high calorie density, and even worse, won't feel as satisfied at all. Soon you'll be chasing after an ever richer foie gras and an ever better high-end red wine followed by an ever richer dessert and an ever richer dessert wine. That's where I was as a chef and foodie. And after a while, the pleasure from it all disappears. You need more fat and more sugars and heavier tastes to impress your palette which had become used of fats and sugars in an never-ending line of "food is fun, food is love" tasty treats. Now the CLEAN sweet taste sensations of a simple Clementine is AMAZING. Its taste would have been lost in the noise for me in years past. So go ahead and try to eat a second can of tuna. If you're still hungry eating one serving of cottage cheese (the local low-fat chive & onions variety is great) out of the four serving tub, go ahead and eat the entire tub. It's only 320 calories. Bet you won't feel like another tub. It's the Pringles "Bet you can't eat just one" line in reverse. Food is fuel. Keep it simple, keep it clean. Food is NOT love. American style. |
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"Food for Fuel" vs. "Food is LOVE & Food is FUN"
vlcd_hell wrote:
Food is fuel. Keep it simple, keep it clean. Food is NOT love. American style. It's a mixture of nourishment AND pleasure, IMO. Our taste buds AND foods that taste differently were not created for nuttin'. The problem is many people "love" the wrong kinds of food, and in the wrong kinds of quantities. I am one of those people who used to love the wrong kinds of foods. CM |
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vlcd_hell wrote:
I've spent years trying to undo my European upbringing where high-quality well-prepared good food paired with beautiful wine is seen as one of the most celebrated and life-giving and cherished joys in one's daily life. Instead I've tried to get my head into the American athletic view of "food is merely fuel." And as fuel, you eat only the cleanest foods possible in the lowest amounts possible and only when you work out. These people tend to be thin and trim. you appear to have serious emotional problems. have you considered seeking therapy? |
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You talk WAY TOO MUCH.
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"determined" wrote
You talk WAY TOO MUCH. ROFLMAO but it's like a train wreck - you just keep reading on and on and -- Walking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/20/03 |
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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
vlcd_hell wrote: I've spent years trying to undo my European upbringing where high-quality well-prepared good food paired with beautiful wine is seen as one of the most celebrated and life-giving and cherished joys in one's daily life. Instead I've tried to get my head into the American athletic view of "food is merely fuel." And as fuel, you eat only the cleanest foods possible in the lowest amounts possible and only when you work out. These people tend to be thin and trim. you appear to have serious emotional problems. have you considered seeking therapy? I keep saying that. He keeps avoiding the subject. Hellish guy, I want to know more about your work and family life. What's your job? Are you married? Who lives in your house with you? Dally |
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NOOOO say it isn't sooo!
Traitor!! "JMA" wrote in and for chrissake you now have me defending IG!! |
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Boy, you people love to attack other fellow members, huh? Envisioning
the very worst scenarios possible about them. I have to say other forums have been much less attacking, much more helpful, and on the whole come across as a much more optimistic and cheerful lot. I was just offering my tips, for what has worked for me, as the hardest loser I've seen in comparison to anyone else I've ever run across. I've lost 70lbs. 175lb seems to be the ballpark average range for men I hang with. Perhaps I have to get more realistic toward the dream of being a 120lb hill climber again despite approaching middle age and particularly wanting a cut muscled physique I didn't have in racing days. There is some question about whether I should be in athlete mode on my Tanita scale, which might suggest I'm actually 14% BF instead of 26% in standard non-athletic mode. I know from experimentation which regimens happen to work for me. Been doing this annual "lose the off-season weight" dance for enough years of my life. But heck, everyone is different. My input seems to be rocking the boat and sharing my non-average experiences appears to not be appreciated here. I'm not getting any useful non-dime-store-mantra info here, and where I spend most of my free hours either working out or quality time at home, I don't have the free time to devote to this seeming exercise in futility. My time is better personally spent working out. I'll get out of your hair where my CRAN approaches won't rock your high calorie boats. Not that you deserve to know, and sorry to disappoint your schadenfreude fun toward fellow members, but I happen to be quite happy and sound both mentally and emotionally and even physically. I can out-run and out-bike all but the elite runners and cyclists (who tend to be younger than me). I am healthy with no ailments. Married and employed and looking forward to this romantic weekend. And now, on the vanity front, the split routine and extra protein seems to be making a difference in the looks department. I am now clearly beginning to see a cut look start coming through, where even though there is still some fat getting in the way of the musculature presently, that cut build IS there underneath. That is very empowering and reassuring to physically see. All I have to do is to continue this split lifting routine, continue this protein-rich lower-calorie eating routine, and let the natural annual increase in my running and cycling workout durations and especially intensity (intervals!) this time of year (as spring cycling season approaches) work off some of the remaining fat covering the muscles. Feedback from friends in last weekend's hot tub was "dude, you're not as fat as you think you are!" Still have a ways to go, but perhaps I'm closer to 14% BF than 26% BF. And happily, I still have several months to make good progress in. BTW, I view this participation as writing, perhaps indeed conversational writing, but not simple careless talk. Pardon me for "talking too much" (aka writing).Your view may vary. Ig, I posted my food logging several times now, yet you keep ignoring it. No skin off my teeth. Good luck y'all in your own personal physique transformations. Don't let others derail you if your own personal regimen happens to work for you despite ridicule from these people, you have to consider the source, this isn't exactly a forum chock full of winning athletes (where they even call each other FFID, some group). Really hope each of you make your personal goals. See you out at the races in a few months where I'll be chasing mine... |
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vlcd_hell wrote:
Not that you deserve to know, and sorry to disappoint your schadenfreude fun toward fellow members, but I happen to be quite happy and sound both mentally and emotionally and even physically. anyone who thinks it's realistic or even desirable to get down to 3 percent body fat needs to have their head examined. |
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"vlcd_hell" wrote in message om... Boy, you people love to attack other fellow members, huh? Envisioning the very worst scenarios possible about them. I have to say other forums have been much less attacking, much more helpful, and on the whole come across as a much more optimistic and cheerful lot. I have yet to respond to any of your posts, until now. I've been reading your saga since your first novella you posted. People around here have responded thoughtfully, kindly, directly, and indirectly. You've ignored requests for more detailed information, expecting the people here to read your mind and know what you mean, or wade through pages of quasi-coherent ramblings to figure out what you want. I was just offering my tips, for what has worked for me, as the hardest loser I've seen in comparison to anyone else I've ever run across. I've lost 70lbs. 175lb seems to be the ballpark average range for men I hang with. Perhaps I have to get more realistic toward the dream of being a 120lb hill climber again despite approaching middle age and particularly wanting a cut muscled physique I didn't have in racing days. There is some question about whether I should be in athlete mode on my Tanita scale, which might suggest I'm actually 14% BF instead of 26% in standard non-athletic mode. I know from experimentation which regimens happen to work for me. Been doing this annual "lose the off-season weight" dance for enough years of my life. So maybe instead you should adopt a sensible WOE to keep you more constant throughout the year? Just a thought... But heck, everyone is different. My input seems to be rocking the boat and sharing my non-average experiences appears to not be appreciated here. I'm not getting any useful non-dime-store-mantra info here, and where I spend most of my free hours either working out or quality time at home, I don't have the free time to devote to this seeming exercise in futility. My time is better personally spent working out. I'll get out of your hair where my CRAN approaches won't rock your high calorie boats. You've gotten tons of good advice, the best I've seen, including seeking some serious therapy. Not that you deserve to know, and sorry to disappoint your schadenfreude fun toward fellow members, but I happen to be quite happy and sound both mentally and emotionally and even physically. And yet your posts don't reflect that in the least.... can out-run and out-bike all but the elite runners and cyclists (who tend to be younger than me). I am healthy with no ailments. Married and employed and looking forward to this romantic weekend. And now, on the vanity front, the split routine and extra protein seems to be making a difference in the looks department. I am now clearly beginning to see a cut look start coming through, where even though there is still some fat getting in the way of the musculature presently, that cut build IS there underneath. That is very empowering and reassuring to physically see. All I have to do is to continue this split lifting routine, continue this protein-rich lower-calorie eating routine, and let the natural annual increase in my running and cycling workout durations and especially intensity (intervals!) this time of year (as spring cycling season approaches) work off some of the remaining fat covering the muscles. Feedback from friends in last weekend's hot tub was "dude, you're not as fat as you think you are!" Still have a ways to go, but perhaps I'm closer to 14% BF than 26% BF. And happily, I still have several months to make good progress in. And yet your posts don't reflect that in the least... (again) Ig, I posted my food logging several times now, yet you keep ignoring it. No skin off my teeth. Where have you posted an actual food log?!? Some vague accounting of stuff you might have eaten, no measurements, etc. You haven't posted anything of the sort and for chrissake you now have me defending IG!! Good luck y'all in your own personal physique transformations. Don't let others derail you if your own personal regimen happens to work for you despite ridicule from these people, you have to consider the source, this isn't exactly a forum chock full of winning athletes (where they even call each other FFID, some group). Really hope each of you make your personal goals. See you out at the races in a few months where I'll be chasing mine... Hey dipwad...I haven't chimed in until now, but *I* was on a real VLCD, 800 cal/day for 10 months and lost 150 pounds. Get over yourself. Sorry we didn't all group hug and sing kumbayah for you, but you got some decent and sensible advice. The fact that you have a distorted body image and unrealistic expectations is not a reflection on the treatment you've received here. Jenn |
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