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Old October 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:09:25 GMT, CarbAddict wrote:

How does one have a personal relationship with God if
He is not personal to you?


What a deep question. I finally get it. Thanks.


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Old October 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:09:25 GMT, CarbAddict wrote:

How does one have a personal relationship with God if
He is not personal to you?


What a deep question. I finally get it. Thanks.


Welcome
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Old October 1st, 2004, 07:40 PM
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:05:13 GMT, Luna wrote:

You did your own thorough and exhausted homework on dieting. Right?


Not so much. I've never bought a diet book or anything, I just started
experimenting with how my body reacted to different foods. When I changed
my diet I could actually observe changes in my body. Evidence. I have yet
to observe any evidence of the existence of any gods.


You look in all the wrong places; again, your rules not His, Luna.

Here's how to make
your analogy work: a person tells me about someone thousands of years ago
who lost weight on a low-carb diet. This person is also following this
low-carb diet, but after months of observing this person, I don't see that
any weight has been lost. They tell me they are losing weight, but it's
not the kind of weight you can see or measure, I should just take their
word for it and follow a low-carb diet.


You continue to attempt to equate God with humanistic features. It doesn't
fly.

Yet you take such an important life and death issue like God and tell me
"you've only heard about Him from other people"?




Right. I have read about people who believe in God, I have talked to
people who believe in God, I have gone to different churches and temples
where God is worshipped and discussed, but it is all second hand
information.


The information that makes spiritual decisions comes from within. If the
source of that data is not from God, then it is nothing more than data.

There are so many different religions out there all claiming to be true,
and each has just as much evidence and makes just as much sense and has
followers who are just as passionate and devout as any of the others. From
the point of view of someone who was not raised with any religion, there is
absolutely nothing to distinguish them, nothing that makes any of them look
any more true than the others.


You keep pulling God down to Earth, God is not religion. Religion is a tool
that assists us in developing our personal relationships with Him.

You claim yours is the truth and the others
are made up.


I claim nothing about the others and have expressed only that I am a
Christian not a Baptist or Catholic or fill in.

They claim theirs is the truth and yours is made up. I think
all of them are made up. Supernatural beings were early man's way of
interpreting how the world worked.


What's the excuse now?

People used to think there were spirits
in everything, that storms were personal, that there were only four
elements, that the world was flat, etc. Now we know better. We don't need
gods and spirits to explain how the world works any more, but people hang
on to religion because it makes them feel good.


Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their
religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they
recognize Him as the Truth in their lives.
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Old October 1st, 2004, 07:53 PM
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In article ,
MU wrote:


Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their
religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they
recognize Him as the Truth in their lives.


What does that mean? The truth in life is that you are born, you live a
life with some pain in it and some joy in it, and then you die. This is
true for everyone, whether they believe in Christ or not. This was true
before the idea of Christ existed, before the idea of any god at all
existed, and it will be true until the end of humanity. Maybe you ask
"why" and you think Christ is the answer to that question, but I don't see
the need for the question. There is no reason, there is no "why," things
just are.

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I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.
  #195  
Old October 1st, 2004, 08:12 PM
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:34:35 GMT, CarbAddict
wrote:

From: Luna (Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:01:43 GMT)
MsgId:

I've only ever heard about God from other people.


CarbAddict wrote:

There are pills for people who talk to Him directly.


From: Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:20:15 -0400)
MsgId:

Writing as a physician, there are no pills prescribed for
folks who pray to God.


Apparently there are no pills for a sense of humor, either.



why do you bother with the chung troll? he feeds on this attention and
desires conflict between newsgroups, between christians and non
christians and even between christians. The attention he gets feeds
his sick and desperate ego.

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Old October 2nd, 2004, 12:19 AM
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:12:51 -0400, Mack©® wrote:

why do you bother with the chung troll? he feeds on this attention and
desires conflict between newsgroups, between christians and non
christians and even between christians. The attention he gets feeds
his sick and desperate ego.


Mack, how's the boozing these days? Did you ever find sobriety?
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 12:47 AM
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In article ,
MU wrote:


Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their
religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they
recognize Him as the Truth in their lives.


On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:53:04 GMT, Luna wrote:

What does that mean?


You wrote : We don't need gods and spirits to explain how the world works
any more, but people hang on to religion because it makes them feel good.

The truth in life is that you are born, you live a
life with some pain in it and some joy in it, and then you die. This is
true for everyone, whether they believe in Christ or not. This was true
before the idea of Christ existed, before the idea of any god at all
existed, and it will be true until the end of humanity.


Christians would add "service to Christ during our lives" as an important
addition to the born/live/die equation.

Maybe you ask
"why" and you think Christ is the answer to that question, but I don't see
the need for the question. There is no reason, there is no "why," things
just are.


I ask why but don't much care what the answers are. Answers will be
abundant after this life is over. Why is a fun question but has no bearing
on my beliefs whatsoever. Why is in God's domain; I ask what as in "what do
you want me to do, God?"
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 12:47 AM
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In article ,
MU wrote:


Eating chocolate pie can make one feel good. People hang on to their
religions for many reasons but Christians hang on to Christ because they
recognize Him as the Truth in their lives.


On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:53:04 GMT, Luna wrote:

What does that mean?


You wrote : We don't need gods and spirits to explain how the world works
any more, but people hang on to religion because it makes them feel good.

The truth in life is that you are born, you live a
life with some pain in it and some joy in it, and then you die. This is
true for everyone, whether they believe in Christ or not. This was true
before the idea of Christ existed, before the idea of any god at all
existed, and it will be true until the end of humanity.


Christians would add "service to Christ during our lives" as an important
addition to the born/live/die equation.

Maybe you ask
"why" and you think Christ is the answer to that question, but I don't see
the need for the question. There is no reason, there is no "why," things
just are.


I ask why but don't much care what the answers are. Answers will be
abundant after this life is over. Why is a fun question but has no bearing
on my beliefs whatsoever. Why is in God's domain; I ask what as in "what do
you want me to do, God?"
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 01:11 AM
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MU wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:12:51 -0400, Mack©® wrote:

why do you bother with the chung troll? he feeds on this attention and
desires conflict between newsgroups, between christians and non
christians and even between christians. The attention he gets feeds
his sick and desperate ego.


Mack, how's the boozing these days? Did you ever find sobriety?


We should continue to pray for Mack, in Christ's holy name.

May the Holy Spirit heal him as only He can.


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Old October 2nd, 2004, 02:32 AM
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Luna wrote:


....Here's how to make
your analogy work: a person tells me about someone thousands of years ago
who lost weight on a low-carb diet. This person is also following this
low-carb diet, but after months of observing this person, I don't see that
any weight has been lost. They tell me they are losing weight, but it's
not the kind of weight you can see or measure, I should just take their
word for it and follow a low-carb diet...



Ah, an independent thinker. IMO, this is *exactly* how all the major
religions began - with one person having a personal experience. Then
each started trying to convince others that his/her experience was the
One True Way. There are even thinkers (probably a lot of alter boys in
this number) who believe formal religions are the root of a lot of evil.

I've usually found talking about God to be not particularly productive
or interesting. Talking *to* God, on the other hand, has worked out
remarkably well. Then it makes no matter what one believes. It's sort
of pure research. Like, "I request some support in not eating crap
tonight; in which case you'd better come up with something better than
I've got at the moment."

If you'd like to read something good, that's not trying to convert you
to anything, you might enjoy A Return to Love, by Marrianne Williamson,
one of the best interpretations of "A Course in Miracles," in my
opinion. Conversations With God is quite good, too (with a *fascinating*
interpretation of the "10 suggestions," I think s/he calls them - that
were never meant to be commandments. They ask the good questions like
what kind of God would give us free choice and then smack us when we use
it? Or, do we actually believe a supreme loving being would catapult
cockroaches, nevermind people, into an eternal ****ing fire? Now that's
real loving, lol.

In AA they suggest one might want to begin any such a journey by firing
the God of one's childhood. Worked for me. That long-haired blond
blue-eyed guy sure didn't do it for me.

My experience.


Barb

 




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