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Old January 13th, 2004, 09:41 PM
Mike1
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?


Centrums are JUNK.

Easy way to tell a junk multi: Look on the ingredient label for
magnesium. If the source is listed as "magnesium oxide", it's junk.
MO is not a "bio-available" (i.e., your body can actually break apart
the compound to use to listed nutrient) source of magnesium.

Junk-multis won't hurt you, but I wouldn't pay more than a buck-a-bottle
for them on clearance at a dollar store.


(For magnesium and potassium, you want -aspartae-hydrochloride or
hydroxide combining forms for bio-availability.)

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Old January 14th, 2004, 05:04 AM
Jack Frost
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

Well I checked my expensive GNC "Ultra Mega Two Dietary Supplement premium
high potency multivitamin" and yep MgO!


"Mike1" wrote in message
...

Centrums are JUNK.

Easy way to tell a junk multi: Look on the ingredient label for
magnesium. If the source is listed as "magnesium oxide", it's junk.
MO is not a "bio-available" (i.e., your body can actually break apart
the compound to use to listed nutrient) source of magnesium.

Junk-multis won't hurt you, but I wouldn't pay more than a buck-a-bottle
for them on clearance at a dollar store.


(For magnesium and potassium, you want -aspartae-hydrochloride or
hydroxide combining forms for bio-availability.)

--

Reply to sans two @@, or your reply won't reach me.

"An election is nothing more than an advance auction of stolen goods."
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  #3  
Old January 14th, 2004, 09:05 AM
William A. Noyes
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

While magnesium oxide isn't likely the best
absorbed form of magnesium, some is absorbed
especially in those with normal stomach acid levels.
The stomach HCl creates an environment in which
the MgO is covertd to Mg++ and H20.
Still it is right to be concerned as millions with
in the national human population have impaired
stomach acid levels by way of pathology, aging,
or certain meds used to suppress chronic
acid reflux (GERD).

Either a salt like that magnesium sulfate * 7H2O
aka Espom's satls 290 mgs per 1/2 teaspoon
or an organic salt form such as Mg gluconate,
Mg citrate, Mg ascrobate, etc are to be preferred.

The thing about the forms, I just mentioned is that
they are of great bulk than MgO.

The very idea of one a day multi-vitamin mineral tablets
is a suboptimal idea. Iron and vitamin E shouldn't
be mixed, nor should vitamin C and copper, nor
should vitamin C and B-12. Further, fat soluble
vitamins should be in a fatty matrix to increase
absorption. Moreover, multivitamins formulations
never contain more than minimal amount of
vitamin K, much less a truly useful dose.
The vitamin E is often
the synthetic racemic form which has a lower
biopotency/shorter biological half life
and is lacking vitamer forms
such as gamma-T. Nor can they contain
meaningful amounts if inositol, choline, methyl
group contributors due to tablet size considerations.

They almost always contain too much preformed
vitamin A and always contain too little vitamin D.

It would be better to take separate fatty soluble
vitamins. A very carefully chosen B vitamin formula
with additional tablets or powders with extra
folic acid. B-12, inositol, choline,


"Jack Frost" wrote in message
...
Well I checked my expensive GNC "Ultra Mega Two Dietary Supplement premium
high potency multivitamin" and yep MgO!


"Mike1" wrote in message
...

Centrums are JUNK.




  #4  
Old January 14th, 2004, 03:10 PM
William A. Noyes
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

Do you think that people eating meat, fish, eggs, butter, nuts,
vegetables, beans etc, actually need extra fat soluble vitamins or B
group vitamins? Or *any* vitamins?

This is a crossposted monster. Repeat your question at
the sci.life-extension or sci.med.nutrition and maybe I'll
make further comment. It was a mistake on my part
to answer on this thread as the comments are going to
places were they don't belong.

There is always a new to screw up.................
...........................................William A. Noyes


  #5  
Old January 15th, 2004, 06:19 AM
Jeff Finlayson
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

William A. Noyes wrote:
Ignoramus32082 wrote:
William A. Noyes wrote:


While magnesium oxide isn't likely the best
absorbed form of magnesium, some is absorbed
especially in those with normal stomach acid levels.
The stomach HCl creates an environment in which
the MgO is covertd to Mg++ and H20.
Still it is right to be concerned as millions with
in the national human population have impaired
stomach acid levels by way of pathology, aging,
or certain meds used to suppress chronic
acid reflux (GERD).

Either a salt like that magnesium sulfate * 7H2O
aka Espom's satls 290 mgs per 1/2 teaspoon
or an organic salt form such as Mg gluconate,
Mg citrate, Mg ascrobate, etc are to be preferred.

The thing about the forms, I just mentioned is that
they are of great bulk than MgO.

The very idea of one a day multi-vitamin mineral tablets
is a suboptimal idea. Iron and vitamin E shouldn't
be mixed, nor should vitamin C and copper, nor
should vitamin C and B-12. Further, fat soluble
vitamins should be in a fatty matrix to increase
absorption. Moreover, multivitamins formulations
never contain more than minimal amount of
vitamin K, much less a truly useful dose.
The vitamin E is often
the synthetic racemic form which has a lower
biopotency/shorter biological half life
and is lacking vitamer forms
such as gamma-T. Nor can they contain
meaningful amounts if inositol, choline, methyl
group contributors due to tablet size considerations.

They almost always contain too much preformed
vitamin A and always contain too little vitamin D.

It would be better to take separate fatty soluble
vitamins. A very carefully chosen B vitamin formula
with additional tablets or powders with extra
folic acid. B-12, inositol, choline,


Do you think that people eating meat, fish, eggs, butter, nuts,
vegetables, beans etc, actually need extra fat soluble vitamins or B
group vitamins? Or *any* vitamins?


This is a crossposted monster. Repeat your question at
the sci.life-extension or sci.med.nutrition and maybe I'll
make further comment. It was a mistake on my part
to answer on this thread as the comments are going to
places were they don't belong.


Just reply to the groups you follow.

  #6  
Old January 15th, 2004, 11:52 AM
William A. Noyes
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

As this has been discussed before, Googling sci.med.nutrition
should yield a few more comments on the Centrum products.

As I've posted before extra folic acid, b-6, methyl group
contributors help to maintain genomic stability at the
epigenetic level as well as on the genetic level.

Vitamin K help prevent harding of the arteries.
Does your diet provide a milligram of vitamin K
or not?? In addition it is an antioxidant.

Extra arginine has been shown to be benefical
to the liver, it maybe a modest help with ED and hypertension.
Carnitine can improve the cellular metabolism in
the aging and elderly.

ETC ETC and so on.

Their is no reason to assume natural levels
of nutrients are optimum for longevity especially
in the aging, the diseased, or the dysfunctional.

William A. Noyes



"Ignoramus32082" wrote in message
...
In article , William A.

Noyes wrote:
Do you think that people eating meat, fish, eggs, butter, nuts,
vegetables, beans etc, actually need extra fat soluble vitamins or B
group vitamins? Or *any* vitamins?

This is a crossposted monster. Repeat your question at
the sci.life-extension or sci.med.nutrition and maybe I'll
make further comment. It was a mistake on my part
to answer on this thread as the comments are going to
places were they don't belong.


Done. I kept alt.support.diet in the list.

I am greatly interested in the answer to this question. I take a
vitamin pill "just in case", but feel that most likely it is not
needed. I eat plenty of foods I mentioned in my previous question.

i

There is always a new to screw up.................
..........................................William A. Noyes




  #7  
Old January 16th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Alex Horvath
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

Why don't you research the available multis before asking a loaded
question like this? Best in terms of what - price, effeciacy?

A partial list of high end multis would include-

VRP
LEF
Amni

Compare these to Centrum and decide for yourself if they are worth the
extra cost. I personally think they are. In fact, it has been
postulated that taking a cheap multi in conjunction with a poor diet
may do more harm than good.




"William A. Noyes" wrote in message om...
As this has been discussed before, Googling sci.med.nutrition
should yield a few more comments on the Centrum products.

As I've posted before extra folic acid, b-6, methyl group
contributors help to maintain genomic stability at the
epigenetic level as well as on the genetic level.

Vitamin K help prevent harding of the arteries.
Does your diet provide a milligram of vitamin K
or not?? In addition it is an antioxidant.

Extra arginine has been shown to be benefical
to the liver, it maybe a modest help with ED and hypertension.
Carnitine can improve the cellular metabolism in
the aging and elderly.

ETC ETC and so on.

Their is no reason to assume natural levels
of nutrients are optimum for longevity especially
in the aging, the diseased, or the dysfunctional.

William A. Noyes



"Ignoramus32082" wrote in message
...
In article , William A.

Noyes wrote:
Do you think that people eating meat, fish, eggs, butter, nuts,
vegetables, beans etc, actually need extra fat soluble vitamins or B
group vitamins? Or *any* vitamins?

This is a crossposted monster. Repeat your question at
the sci.life-extension or sci.med.nutrition and maybe I'll
make further comment. It was a mistake on my part
to answer on this thread as the comments are going to
places were they don't belong.


Done. I kept alt.support.diet in the list.

I am greatly interested in the answer to this question. I take a
vitamin pill "just in case", but feel that most likely it is not
needed. I eat plenty of foods I mentioned in my previous question.

i

There is always a new to screw up.................
..........................................William A. Noyes


  #8  
Old January 16th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Alex Horvath
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

Also, it has proven over and over again that in most cases optimum
levels of nutrients can not be obtained from any reasonable diet
(although one should strive for this). Remember that the organisms we
consume did not evolve to maximize our lifespan.

"William A. Noyes" wrote in message om...
As this has been discussed before, Googling sci.med.nutrition
should yield a few more comments on the Centrum products.

As I've posted before extra folic acid, b-6, methyl group
contributors help to maintain genomic stability at the
epigenetic level as well as on the genetic level.

Vitamin K help prevent harding of the arteries.
Does your diet provide a milligram of vitamin K
or not?? In addition it is an antioxidant.

Extra arginine has been shown to be benefical
to the liver, it maybe a modest help with ED and hypertension.
Carnitine can improve the cellular metabolism in
the aging and elderly.

ETC ETC and so on.

Their is no reason to assume natural levels
of nutrients are optimum for longevity especially
in the aging, the diseased, or the dysfunctional.

William A. Noyes



"Ignoramus32082" wrote in message
...
In article , William A.

Noyes wrote:
Do you think that people eating meat, fish, eggs, butter, nuts,
vegetables, beans etc, actually need extra fat soluble vitamins or B
group vitamins? Or *any* vitamins?

This is a crossposted monster. Repeat your question at
the sci.life-extension or sci.med.nutrition and maybe I'll
make further comment. It was a mistake on my part
to answer on this thread as the comments are going to
places were they don't belong.


Done. I kept alt.support.diet in the list.

I am greatly interested in the answer to this question. I take a
vitamin pill "just in case", but feel that most likely it is not
needed. I eat plenty of foods I mentioned in my previous question.

i

There is always a new to screw up.................
..........................................William A. Noyes


  #9  
Old January 17th, 2004, 02:36 AM
DZ
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?

Alex Horvath wrote:
Why don't you research the available multis before asking a loaded
question like this? Best in terms of what - price, effeciacy?

A partial list of high end multis would include-

VRP
LEF
Amni


Aren't they all (as well as Centrum) contain a decidedly wrong form of
B3 - nicotinamide - in high doses? I refer to research by Sinclair and
others on life span shortening effects of Sirt-1 inhibition.

DZ

Compare these to Centrum and decide for yourself if they are worth the
extra cost. I personally think they are. In fact, it has been
postulated that taking a cheap multi in conjunction with a poor diet
may do more harm than good.




"William A. Noyes" wrote in message om...
As this has been discussed before, Googling sci.med.nutrition
should yield a few more comments on the Centrum products.

As I've posted before extra folic acid, b-6, methyl group
contributors help to maintain genomic stability at the
epigenetic level as well as on the genetic level.

Vitamin K help prevent harding of the arteries.
Does your diet provide a milligram of vitamin K
or not?? In addition it is an antioxidant.

Extra arginine has been shown to be benefical
to the liver, it maybe a modest help with ED and hypertension.
Carnitine can improve the cellular metabolism in
the aging and elderly.

ETC ETC and so on.

Their is no reason to assume natural levels
of nutrients are optimum for longevity especially
in the aging, the diseased, or the dysfunctional.

William A. Noyes



"Ignoramus32082" wrote in message
...
In article , William A.

Noyes wrote:
Do you think that people eating meat, fish, eggs, butter, nuts,
vegetables, beans etc, actually need extra fat soluble vitamins or B
group vitamins? Or *any* vitamins?

This is a crossposted monster. Repeat your question at
the sci.life-extension or sci.med.nutrition and maybe I'll
make further comment. It was a mistake on my part
to answer on this thread as the comments are going to
places were they don't belong.

Done. I kept alt.support.diet in the list.

I am greatly interested in the answer to this question. I take a
vitamin pill "just in case", but feel that most likely it is not
needed. I eat plenty of foods I mentioned in my previous question.

i

There is always a new to screw up.................
..........................................William A. Noyes


  #10  
Old January 17th, 2004, 04:07 AM
JR
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Default Centrum: Good Multivitamin?


"Ignoramus28064" wrote in message
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I am going to do an experiment, record everything that I eat within
one week (and make it just like my typical week) and will see how much
vitamins I am getting from food. Any suggestions for processing that
data quickly? Does fitday do vitamin analysis?


Yes. It tracks your percentage of intake against the RDA values. Quite
nice, actually.


 




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